I just said his mistake werent born out of malice like you said, no one asked if he should be punished.Really? It sounded like you were forgiving the templar and making excuses for him. Not saying he needed to be held accountable for what he did.
Worded like that, it does make me wonder if hardline, human racist Elves would see Ameridan as a 'race traitor.'
Given they don't think alienage elves are "real elves" I think that's a safe bet.
Unless Ameridan is the one who made the Chantry go boom. Since it had corrupt as the Tevinter Magisteriou(sp)
Nah, Ameridan was a decent person.
Maybe not all Mages need to die but there is a lot of de-humanization of Mages that leads to negligence that kill Mages like Cole killed or abuses of power like Ser Alrik or Ser Karras.
Maybe not all mages need to die. So some do? Do they deserve to starve to death or die of dehydration? You do know those are two of the worst was to die right.
The whole Circle system is set up to de-humanize mages.
Nah, Ameridan was a decent person.
He was friends with an pretty ruthless warmonger, and didn't seem too concerned about his methods. I'm not so sure about that...
Maybe not all mages need to die. So some do? Do they deserve to starve to death or die of dehydration? You do know those are two of the worst was to die right.
The whole Circle system is set up to de-humanize mages.
Of course those all luxuries were given to them in spite so they suffer.
Nah, Ameridan was a decent person.
Yeah so is Anders. Remember he spent the majority of his time helping the people the Chantry turned away. And he didn't just go to Kirkwall and blow up the Chantry. He tried achieving peaceful solution but no one listened to him. The one person who could have done something didn't care. So he did what he thought he had to.
Of course those all luxuries were given them in spite so they suffer.
You say it's a luxury, but I think it's a controlling method to make Mages dependent on the Chantry. And it carries the implicit threat of "we let you have nice things, but we can make it so much worse if you push it." It's abusive, imo.
Yeah so is Anders.
Seriously, mate. Come on.
You say it's a luxury, but I think it's a controlling method to make Mages dependent on the Chantry. And it carries the implicit threat of "we let you have nice things, but we can make it so much worse if you push it." It's abusive, imo.
Not rly ,mages were in no position to didcate terms if chantry wanted de-humanize mages they would put them into obscure prisons (like aeonar) for rest of their lives or simple put them down no one would object ,and yet they decided to not only give them luxuries but also rights.
Seriously, mate. Come on.
He did more for the poor and the refugees then the Chantry did. Since the Chantry turned away orphans, the injured and the sick because they didn't have money. So yes Anders is a good person.
He did more for the poor and the refugees then the Chantry did. Since the Chantry turned away orphans, the injured and the sick because they didn't have money. So yes Anders is a good person.
Then he would kick-off the battle that would take the lives of many citizens and the fellow mages he threw under the bus.
Oh, yeah, and he's totally cool with slavery despite his manifesto.
Anders is a ****ing gibbering psycho.
He was friends with an pretty ruthless warmonger, and didn't seem too concerned about his methods. I'm not so sure about that...
If by "ruthless warmonger" you mean "Guy who spent his entire adult life fighting the Second Blight, going to far as to save the bacon of the Grey Wardens when Tevinter abandoned them to their fate" then sure 
Me, I think it's quite remarkable that Ameridan, a Dalish mage, was not only the last Inquisitor, but the first Lord Seeker of the Chantry, and best buds with Cordillus Drakon, the man who was the architect of the Chantry and the Nevarran Accords, which set up the Circle system. If those two could have worked together so closely, what might the Chantry and the Dalish have become?
It really makes you think of what could have been, of paths not taken.
He was friends with an pretty ruthless warmonger, and didn't seem too concerned about his methods. I'm not so sure about that...
Drakon only saved Thedas from the Second Blight.
Then he would kick-off the battle that would take the lives of many citizens and the fellow mages he threw under the bus.
Oh, yeah, and he's totally cool with slavery despite his manifesto.
Anders is a ****ing gibbering psycho.
He kicked off a battle that was the catalyst to real change. Since real change wouldn't have happened peacefully on it own. Since Mages only had a voice as long as the Chantry and Templars allowed them to have. And Anders didn't through the mages under the bus, if he did he wouldn't have been willing toe except responsibly for his actions. Which he was.
And he was not a gibbering psycho.
As for the slavery thing. That was OOC for him, I think that was just put in there to make people like him less which it seems to have worked.
If by "ruthless warmonger" you mean "Guy who spent his entire adult life fighting the Second Blight, going to far as to save the bacon of the Grey Wardens when Tevinter abandoned them to their fate" then sure
Me, I think it's quite remarkable that Ameridan, a Dalish mage, was not only the last Inquisitor, but the first Lord Seeker of the Chantry, and best buds with Cordillus Drakon, the man who was the architect of the Chantry and the Nevarran Accords, which set up the Circle system. If those two could have worked together so closely, what might the Chantry and the Dalish have become?
It really makes you think of what could have been, of paths not taken.
Fighting the Blight is no moral endorsement. The Blight is a threat no matter how evil you are.
And that fact that what came still sucked strikes me as a sign that, no matter how close their friendship was, Drakon's vision was fatally flawed from the beginning.
Drakon only saved Thedas from the Second Blight.
And killed thousands in a war of expansion before that.
He kicked off a battle that was the catalyst to real change. Since real change wouldn't have happened peacefully on it own. Since Mages only had a voice as long as the Chantry and Templars allowed them to have. And Anders didn't through the mages under the bus, if he did he wouldn't have been willing toe except responsibly for his actions. Which he was.
Yeah, he gets the martyr cred and the Circle mages get to be statistics. What a hero.
As for the slavery thing. That was OOC for him, I think that was just put in there to make people like him less which it seems to have worked.
Not surprising since it legitimately makes him a bad person.
Worded like that, it does make me wonder if hardline, human racist Elves would see Ameridan as a 'race traitor.'
I'm sure there was someone somewhere in here who was pro-Dalish and said Ameridan was a traitor to his race for worshiping Andraste as well.
Fortunately it didn't happened in my world.He kicked off a battle that was the catalyst to real change.
I don't think it's so ridiculous for Ameridan to have worshipped both the elven gods and the Maker. Look at world religions, many of which are a mess from having changed over time and having absorbed parts of other belief systems. Some ancient Canaanites worshiped a whole collection of gods - one of which was a war god named Yahweh - that was headed by a supreme god El. Later, Yahweh took over the top spot and the other gods fell away.
The Chantry was formed right around Ameridan's time, right? Before that there was the Cult of Andraste, which I would think wasn't as organized or as influential as the later Chantry. So I'm sure a lot of beliefs considered heretical by 9:41 Dragon were common in Ameridan's time.
Yeah, he gets the martyr cred and the Circle mages get to be statistics. What a hero.
Not surprising since it legitimately makes him a bad person.
Yeah and Andraste lead a bloodless coupe.
He isn't a bad person. But you hate Anders. I don't. We'll probably wind up going round in circles here so lets agree to disagree and drop it.
Fortunately it didn't happened in my world.
All he accomplished was to kill hundreds of innocents.
And to make way for actual change. As long as Vivienne isn't chosen as Divine.
Yeah and Andraste lead a bloodless coupe.
Andraste didn't bait the Tevinters into purging the slaves before running away.
He isn't a bad person. But you hate Anders. I don't. We'll probably wind up going round in circles here so lets agree to disagree and drop it.
I'll settle with the acknowledgement that he's (was) a scumbag, and will be remembered by the mages as such. Which he is.
And to make way for actual change. As long as Vivienne isn't chosen as Divine.
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