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[Heimdall]

The ones we learn about in DA:O totally did. They were specifically called out in the relevant codex entries as an extremely anti-mage vigilante group. It wasn't until DA 2 that the writers decided to start softening their image into the 'neutral arbiters of all things magical' that they became in time for DA:I.

I think your confused, the Inquisition was never mentioned in DAO, the first hints of it was in a DA2 codex entry as far as I know. They WERE described as extremists in that extremely brief entry, but the WoT gave a revised entry describing them as not just hunters of demons and magic but defenders of innocents, Mages or otherwise.

Of course, the Inquisition was around for, what, a century and a half? It might have been different things under different Inquisitors.

[TK514]

I think your confused, the Inquisition was never mentioned in DAO, the first hints of it was in a DA2 codex entry as far as I know. They WERE described as extremists in that extremely brief entry, but the WoT gave a revised entry describing them as not just hunters of demons and magic but defenders of innocents, Mages or otherwise.

Of course, the Inquisition was around for, what, a century and a half? It might have been different things under different Inquisitors.

 

I may have my timeline skewed.  Thanks for the correction.

[CapitanHappyFace]

Wow, they sound like your typical primitive, superstitious tribals.

 

This DLC sounds like a bust all around. Annoying Mary Sue perfect Inquisitor, dumb Avvar and even more tedious micro-managing of combat (for PC especially).

Actually the Avars are more, advance in his treatment of spirit that most of thedas, "they make deal with them", there are a worship of them but in exchange of a tangible reward (one pray and one of theirs gods improve your magic), and if one "gods" become a demon they are more than willing to kill it, actually they encourage you to kill one of their more important gods under the simple ground that he "started it"

actually compared with qunaris, elves and andrastians they seem quite smarter worshiping spirits which presence is Obvious instead of vague beings or concepts, and being pragmatic enough to know when worship become suicidal, or stupid 

[Dragonzzilla]

Will no one comment on my Amergeddon pun? It's worth at least a few sovereigns...

[In Exile]

No no. The Avvar never worshipped dragons specifically. However, the Avvar did summon one of their gods to possess a dragon in the past, which is what you face in the DLC.

I for one think Bioware is hinting what the old gods really are in DA. Remember that the Tevinters were once barbarians too.

[Sifr]

Will no one comment on my Amergeddon pun? It's worth at least a few sovereigns...

 

Sovereigns which were sadly deducted back due to the "things Michael Bay ruined by association" tax...

 

Although I can't really talk, I'd have gone for the lame, "There's no such word as Ameri-dan't" pun myself?

[In Exile]

Something less illustrious than "singlehandedly saved Orlais and would have single-handedly brought peace between elves and humans" might be cool.

We have a whole game of the Inquisitor trying to reconcile themselves to being an Andrastian prophet figure. It would've been nice to see an elven character trying to reconcile doubt or faith in his own religion, instead of more of the same. More cultural distinctiveness, not less. Anyway we've got whole alienages full of Andrastian elves, as well as Garahel and Shartan as Andrastian elf heroes. It's a bit much IMO.

Bioware isn't going to change their point that modern Dalish culture isn't the goal, but something that the elves need to move forward from. That's been the plot they're hammering home since DAO.

[In Exile]

Argh. Playing as an elf in this game is far too depressing; practically all exclusive content is related to lost glory, broken promises, and godly betrayal. The only thing that gives me some degree of hope is the possibility of joining Solas in whatever his master plan is.

It's interesting you feel that way because I see DAI as being more empowering for elves than any other game in the series. Beyond establishing that the elves did have a kind of immortality and an incredible magical kingdom, the hints it drops about the extent of their powers is that it was almost unfathomable.

We also see just how many pivotal figures in history are functionally elves.

DAI is all about confronting harsh truths. Everyone's story revolves around it.

[Addai]

Bioware isn't going to change their point that modern Dalish culture isn't the goal, but something that the elves need to move forward from. That's been the plot they're hammering home since DAO.

Why is "move forward" embracing Andrastianism?

[ComedicSociopathy]

Why is "move forward" embracing Andrastianism?

 

Where do you get that from? At no point are the modern Dalish clans encouraged to convert. Unlike the Andrastians, the Dalish now have actual proof for the existence of their gods. The Maker though? Nothing. In fact, Corypheus claiming that the The Golden City was already black and corrupted spits in the face of Chantry dogma. 

[LOLandStuff]

Obviously the only thing holding the Dalish back is the imaginary mass conversion to Andrastianism of all Dalish. Them wanting to relive the glory days they know nothing about has nothing to do with it.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Obviously the only thing holding the Dalish in back is the imaginary mass conversion to Andrastianism of all Dalish. Them wanting to relive the glory days they know nothing about has nothing to do with it.

 

Well, to be fair, trying to learn about their past is pretty hard when most of it is buried in ruins and scattered all over Thedas. That said, the Dalish deciding to still live as disparate nomads instead of actual congregating together and building a civilization away from humanity is probably a factor as well. 

[AresKeith]

Obviously the only thing holding the Dalish back is the imaginary mass conversion to Andrastianism of all Dalish. Them wanting to relive the glory days they know nothing about has nothing to do with it.

 

Still wanna see the reaction if all of them knew what the "glort days" really were

[ComedicSociopathy]

Still wanna see the reaction if all of them knew what the "glort days" really were

 

Me too. Won't that be a good laugh.

 

Won't want them to convert to Andrastianism though. The Maker's a total ******. 

[themageguy]

An elven mage was the last leader of an organization that would later become the piece-of-shite Seekers.

I don't know how to feel about this.

That's incorrect. The Seekers already existed in his time, and apparently sought the help from mages in hunting down maleficarum and demons.

The Inquisition and the chantry helped create the Templar orders. From memories, it would seem that using lyrium to battle demons was the cause of some tension in the first inquisitors party.

[MoonDrummer]

Still wanna see the reaction if all of them knew what the "glort days" really were

Floating crystal cloud cities =

Slavery =

 

That'll be the gist of it. 

[AresKeith]

Me too. Won't that be a good laugh.

 

Won't want them to convert to Andrastianism though. The Maker's a total ******. 

 

He's just on Vacation

 

 

[LOLandStuff]

They'd be in denial. Or complain about it in some way.

 

What I want to know is why they were so quick to brush off Shartan and no respectable Dalish speaks more of him or even show a hint of respect for what he's done to his people. It's just "Oh, yeah that guy. He just allied with Andraste and freed us. No big deal."

 

Or what would their opinion of Ameridan be? He worshiped both Andraste and the Old Gods. Good on him. Sanest person in Thedas.

[In Exile]

Why is "move forward" embracing Andrastianism?

I don't think they need to embrace Andrastianism. I just think they have to abandon the beliefs they're clinging to and especially the fictions they're building about their people. Ameridan is just one example of one way of moving forward: joining a multinational institution that purportedly wants to advance the cause of peace.

[Red of Rivia]

Wow! The Orlesian Chantry lies?!

 

Shocking news! I totally did not expect that, lol. 

It can not be ! I do not believe ! I'll drop the Maker and start worshiping Hakkon after that.

[Addai]

Where do you get that from? At no point are the modern Dalish clans encouraged to convert. Unlike the Andrastians, the Dalish now have actually prove for the existence of their gods. The Maker though? Nothing. In fact, Corypheus claiming that the The Golden City was already black and corrupted spits in the face of Chantry dogma.

Did you read the post I was responding to?

I don't think they need to embrace Andrastianism. I just think they have to abandon the beliefs they're clinging to and especially the fictions they're building about their people. Ameridan is just one example of one way of moving forward: joining a multinational institution that purportedly wants to advance the cause of peace.

Yes, yes, kumbayah and all that. I've already talked about Ameri Sue. It would be nice to see some distinctiveness in the cultures of Thedas, and we've already seen plenty of Andrastian elves. In fact apparently that's a criterion for being an elven hero in Thedas, as I've also already said, here or somewhere else I dunno.

[LOLandStuff]

Tell us again how evil Andrastians are and how they persecute poor Dalish and want to destroy their beliefs.

[Addai]

Tell us again how evil Andrastians are and how they persecute poor Dalish and want to destroy their beliefs.

the point------------------you

[In Exile]

Did you read the post I was responding to?

Yes, yes, kumbayah and all that. I've already talked about Ameri Sue. It would be nice to see some distinctiveness in the cultures of Thedas, and we've already seen plenty of Andrastian elves. In fact apparently that's a criterion for being an elven hero in Thedas, as I've also already said, here or somewhere else I dunno.

I'm sure the Dalish would have their heroes. But how exactly do you have a hero be true to an ideology that's all about cultural insularism? The stories about the Dalish PCs are all about how you're forced to be apart from your culture and become a symbol of a different institution.

[Addai]

I'm sure the Dalish would have their heroes.

Great. Do we get to meet any of them?