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[Xilizhra]

Yea she does actually, she suggests the possibility that their gods also exist right after the mission.

After What Pride had Wrought, that's not really a matter of belief so much as accepting the painfully obvious.

[Colonelkillabee]

its the same God as the other Abrahamic ones

No, it really isn't. You don't take someone and change their legend and say it's the same person because the name is the same.

[Colonelkillabee]

After What Pride had Wrought, that's not really a matter of belief so much as accepting the painfully obvious.

Tell that to Sera.

 

You can call it what you'd like, but she suggests it all the same.

[Br3admax]

its the same God as the other Abrahamic ones

Jesus isn't a (aspect of)god in Judaism or Islam, bro. He is in Christianity. Hence the religion is mutually exclusive from the other Abrahamic religions. 

 

Religious practices are another matter. 

[Steelcan]

No, it really isn't. You don't take someone and change their legend and say it's the same person because the name is the same.

well that's what Islam is largely predicated upon, than the Koran is an update to the past teachings of the previous prophets such as Eljah and Jesus of Nazareth, it does not deny the Covenant of Abraham, it changes some bits, but its still the same cast

[Colonelkillabee]

Jesus isn't a (aspect of)god in Judaism or Islam, bro. He is in Christianity. Hence the religion is mutually exclusive from the other Abrahamic religions. 

 

Religious practices are another matter. 

Thank you, my dude.

 

Holy Trinity. This is unique to Christianity and is a big part of what they see as God.

[Xilizhra]

Tell that to Sera.

 

You can call it what you'd like, but she suggests it all the same.

Well, Sera is A. an idiot at that point, and B. clearly not in possession of much conviction, given how fraught she becomes if an elf PC contests her.

[Colonelkillabee]

well that's what Islam is largely predicated upon, than the Koran is an update to the past teachings of the previous prophets such as Eljah and Jesus of Nazareth, it does not deny the Covenant of Abraham, it changes some bits, but its still the same cast

Koran is nothig in Christianity, so it doesn't matter. Jesus is not a mere "prophet" in Christianity, he is God. Hence, the gods are not the same.

[Colonelkillabee]

Well, Sera is A. an idiot at that point, and B. clearly not in possession of much conviction, given how fraught she becomes if an elf PC contests her.

I don't really care what you think about Sera.... I agree, but the point remains.

 

And if anything, that would make her especially devout. To zealous levels.

[Steelcan]

Koran is nothig in Christianity, so it doesn't matter. Jesus is not a mere "prophet" in Christianity, he is God. Hence, the gods are not the same.

there's a lot of branches of Christianity where that isn't a clear distinction

 

the Arian heresy being the most obvious example

[Colonelkillabee]

there's a lot of branches of Christianity where that isn't a clear distinction

 

the Arian heresy being the most obvious example

That second bit should give you a clue.

 

The main branches of Christianity say he's god, don't play stupid.

[Steelcan]

That second bit should give you a clue.

 

The main branches of Christianity say he's god, don't play stupid.

I call it a heresy, but it wasn't some small time thing, it was around for centuries and was quite widespread, particularly among the barbarian kingdoms following the collapse of the WRE

[Colonelkillabee]

I call it a heresy, but it wasn't some small time thing, it was around for centuries and was quite widespread, particularly among the barbarian kingdoms following the collapse of the WRE

And the point is still moot.

 

The main branches of Christianity... call him God. Therefore, you're simply wrong.

 

Is arianism even around anymore? I haven't seen any arian churches, not that it even matters.

 

edit: Jehova's witnesses maybe?

Modifié par Colonelkillabee, 26 mars 2015 - 04:04 .

[AresKeith]

That second bit should give you a clue.

 

The main branches of Christianity say he's god, don't play stupid.

 

Son of god, not god

 

Are people really having this conversation?

[LPPrince]

I thought Ameridan was a pretty cool dude. Would've liked to have interacted with him back during his time.

[Tremere]

its the same God as the other Abrahamic ones

 

This is correct.

[Br3admax]

Son of god, not god

 

Are people really having this conversation?

You do realize the Son of God is God, Keith, and that he existed long before Jesus was even born, in Judaism?

 

And yeah. Why the **** am I talking about a religion I barely even practice?

[Colonelkillabee]

Son of god, not god

 

Are people really having this conversation?

 

Son of god is god.

 

Learn before you speak, this is common christian knowledge. Aspect of = God

[ComedicSociopathy]

I don't care about American... uh, I mean Ameridan, lolol, but seriously? Quit playing stupid.

 

A Christian wouldn't adopt the belief of Allah as well, and if they do, they're not really Christian. It's pretty much the same difference. He's Dalish culturally, yes, but don't act like you can't tell the difference between a Dalish who sticks to his elven gods and one that sings koombayah and believes in the Maker as well.

 

I for one like that this is an idea getting more traction, but not really from the dalish first inquisitor... Corny.

 

That said, this works pretty well for my particular Inquisitor considering my background. Very well in fact.

 

Christianity and Islam are both monotheistic religions that believe in the existence of one singular god and none else. The Dalish on the otherhand are polytheist and believe in the existence of many gods. That being the case, why is it improbable that a Dalish might come to believe that the Maker is just another god that exists in the world? The Dalish have from my knowledge never expressed the opinion that their gods are the only one's that could possibly exist, but instead simply prefer worship their own over another. On the other hand, since Andrastiasm does have a tenant that states that the are no gods other then the Maker, you can argue that Ameridan isn't truly an Andrastian. I don't think you can say the same about him not being Dalish though. 

[Patchwork]

All things being equal, there wouldn't be a problem. But it's not equal. 

 

First, how many Andrastian humans are interested in fitting the Elven Pantheon to their worship of the Maker? None. How many Andrastian humans choose to meld the two faiths the way they might expect the elves to do? None. So why should the elves do it when humans won't show the same courtesy?

 

Second, the Andrastian religion runs on the core ideal that only their religion and their god is "true," while all other religions and gods are "fake."

 

Quoth the Canticles of Light:

 

"As there is but one world, 

One life, one death, there is 
But one god, and He is our Maker.
They are sinners, who have given their love
To false gods."

 

EDIT: And then turn around and tell another people, "And there is not room among your gods for one more?"

 

There is something inherently unequal in a religion that says, "I don't have to compromise on my beliefs, but you do. I don't have to add any other gods to my list of worship, but you have to add mine." How long before they try to phase the others out? How soon before, "Why don't you add my god to your list of gods?" becomes, "Why don't you worship my god instead of yours?"

 

Once humans start making room for other gods in their roster of worship, I'll be okay with the Dalish doing so for them.

 

And how long would it take before the Chantry starts to preach that all gods are one God i.e. The Maker, that the Creators and all the others are merely aspects of the one god and in worshipping them you worship Him. 

[Colonelkillabee]

This is correct.

It really isn't, not unless you shout "lalalalala" and ignore everything about the respective religions.

[Steelcan]

And the point is still moot.

 

The main branches of Christianity... call him God. Therefore, you're simply wrong.

 

Is arianism even around anymore? I haven't seen any arian churches, not that it even matters.

 

edit: Jehova's witnesses maybe?

There are some branches that are heavily influenced by it

 

the point is that you cannot say "all Christians say that Jesus Christ was God" its just not true, the eradication of dissident sects does not mean that they don't count. 

[Steelcan]

 

 

You do realize the Son of God is God, Keith, and that he existed long before Jesus was even born, in Judaism?

 

And yeah. Why the **** am I talking about a religion I barely even practice?

 

I'm an apostate, yet here I am talking about it

[Colonelkillabee]

Christianity and Islam are both monotheistic religions that believe in the existence of one singular god and none else. The Dalish on the otherhand are polytheist and believe in the existence of many gods. That being the case, why is it improbable that a Dalish might come to believe that the Maker is just another god that exists in the world? The Dalish have from my knowledge never expressed the opinion that their gods are the only one's that could possibly exist, but instead simply prefer worship their own over another. On the other hand, since Andrastiasm does have a tenant that states that the are no gods other then the Maker, you can argue that Ameridan isn't truly an Andrastian. I don't think you can say the same about him not being Dalish though. 

The improbability isn't the issue... the lameness of this being the hero once again in a story is the issue. Why can't they be like Garahel and Isseya and just be them? The andrastian faith popping up everywhere is just boring and old... I'm getting put to sleep here.

[Colonelkillabee]

There are some branches that are heavily influenced by it

 

the point is that you cannot say "all Christians say that Jesus Christ was God" its just not true, the eradication of dissident sects does not mean that they don't count. 

I didn't say all Christians, but Christians. Because the common understanding is that christians see him as god, because everywhere else in the world recognizes what is a main branch of christianity and what is a fringe version at best.

 

Unless they're trying to save face and weasel out of a point in a debate, that is.