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[Br3admax]

I'm an apostate, yet here I am talking about it

The Order...dictates. 

[ComedicSociopathy]

This religious argument will go nowhere.

 

Christianity is a massive religion with thousands of years of reinterpretations, cultural translations, mistranslations, philosophical introspection and more sects and branches then you can number. Unless you people are talking about a very, very specific form of Christianity this discussion is pointless and will only devolve into a pissing match. 

[Steelcan]

I didn't say all Christians, but Christians. Because the common understanding is that christians see him as god, because everywhere else in the world recognizes what is a main branch of christianity and what is a fringe version at best.

 

Unless they're trying to save face and weasel out of a point in a debate, that is.

yes, because its ok to dismiss a strain of Christianity that once had the ears of Roman Emperors as "fringe"

[Colonelkillabee]

Main branches is rather straight forward to anyone not trying to dodge a point in a debate.

 

Anyway, the original point is to those that practice these religions, saying their god is the same as another more times than not, just because the name is the same while the teachings are not... is wrong. Insulting, in fact.

 

To bring it to the Dalish, the whole point of being Dalish was to preserve what they were. Introducing other gods in that mix dilludes this and already changes it.

 

Granted, they already failed massively at this goal... but still.

[ComedicSociopathy]

The improbability isn't the issue... the lameness of this being the hero once again in a story is the issue. Why can't they be like Garahel and Isseya and just be them? The andrastian faith popping up everywhere is just boring and old... I'm getting put to sleep here.

 

If that was your main gripe then why bother with an inappropriate religious analogue that only serviced to cause this thread to derail? 

[Colonelkillabee]

yes, because its ok to dismiss a strain of Christianity that once had the ears of Roman Emperors as "fringe"

I'm not the only one doing it. Hence why they're not considered a main branch. And "once" is the key word. Do you see any Roman Emperors around here? Nope.

 

Edit: And good riddance.

Modifié par Colonelkillabee, 26 mars 2015 - 04:26 .

[Colonelkillabee]

If that was your main gripe then why bother with an inappropriate religious analogue that only serviced to cause this thread to derail? 

Because it served to prove a point and because I can say what I please?

[Steelcan]

 

To bring it to the Dalish, the whole point of being Dalish was to preserve what they were. Introducing other gods in that mix dilludes this and already changes it.

 

Granted, they already failed massively at this goal... but still.

I'm curious what the Dalish creation myth is then, even the Old Gods worshiping Tevinter acknowledged something similar to the Maker, or maybe it was him, I don't remember the entry off the top of my head

[Steelcan]

I'm not the only one doing it. Hence why they're not considered a main branch. And "once" is the key word. Do you see any Roman Emperors around here? Nope.

Dismissing the importance of an institution because it is no longer in existence is.....not sure what that is....

[Tremere]

This religious argument will go nowhere.

 

Christianity is a massive religion with thousands of years of reinterpretations, cultural translations, mistranslations, philosophical introspection and more sects and branches then you can number. Unless you people are talking about a very, very specific form of Christianity this discussion is pointless and will only devolve into a pissing match. 

 

You tried to pull it back to the subject at hand, but as these conversations go... Well, you can see for yourself. Good on you for trying though.

[Colonelkillabee]

I'm curious what the Dalish creation myth is then, even the Old Gods worshiping Tevinter acknowledged something similar to the Maker, or maybe it was him, I don't remember the entry off the top of my head

Elgar'nan overthrew his father, born of the earth and sun. God of vengeance, the all-father.

 

It actually leaves plenty of room for the belief of the maker, but they still choose not to acknowledge him. Elgar'nan's father is the sun though, which is not the maker to andrastians.

[Colonelkillabee]

Dismissing the importance of an institution because it is no longer in existence is.....not sure what that is....

Sticking to what is relevant to today's day and age? As in, the actual religion's teachings?

[ComedicSociopathy]

Because it served to prove a point and because I can say what I please?

 

But it didn't though. You compared two real world monotheistic religions to one fictional polytheistic one and a monotheistic one that has a serious problem with constant revisionism. The argument didn't make any sense.

[Steelcan]

Sticking to what is relevant to today's day and age? As in, the actual religion's teachings?

As I said there are sects that are very influenced by it, it cropped up again after the Reformation and hasn't gone away since then. Furthermore, the history of an institution is usually relevant to its modern day form

[Colonelkillabee]

But it didn't though. You compared two real world monotheistic religions to one fictional polytheistic one and a monotheistic one that has a serious problem with constant revisionism. The argument didn't make any sense.

I'm not surprised the point was missed.

 

Which was that smacking two religions clumsily together and saying people that do this can be representatives of the main branches of that religion is faulty thinking.

[Colonelkillabee]

As I said there are sects that are very influenced by it, it cropped up again after the Reformation and hasn't gone away since then. Furthermore, the history of an institution is usually relevant to its modern day form

Not when the point is that the main branches believe something completely different and are even focused around the very notion that Jesus is God, and is the Son of God, while these others are not... It's very simple. I'd suggest letting the point go...

[AresKeith]

Back to Ameridan,

 

He had good taste in Armor

[SgtSteel91]

Back to Ameridan,

 

He had good taste in Armor

 

It sort of looks like proto-Templar armor, with an Inquisition detail to it.

[themageguy]

Back to Ameridan,

He had good taste in Armor

Yes yes he does

Especially for a mage!

I wonder what spells he possessed? At least we know he had a spirit companion.

[Colonelkillabee]

I wonder what spells he possessed?

Probably rainbows and something reminiscent of captain planet.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Since many appear confused, I will try to explain the Abrahmic religions. They are all interlinked and are quite similar, at least at the basic level. The main difference between each Abrahamic religion is the prophet they follow. 

 

The Jews have Abraham and Moses, both of who are mentioned in the Quran as Nabi Ibrahim and Nabi Musa. The Christians have Jesus, who is mentioned in the Quran is Nabi Isa. Nabi is a Malay word for prophet. As for how I know this, I am a Malaysian, or at least was born as one. Yes, like Aimo. I learned the Abrahamic religious history since Islam is the official religion of the state. 

 

According to the Quran at least, all the prophets are prophets of the same one monotheistic deity, be it Yahweh or God or Allah. The difference is that according to Islamic lore, Allah apparently instructed everyone to follow Muhammad, his last prophet instead of followed the previous ones, because religious dogma (well it was prophecy or the Malay jargon for it was wahyu but I think we know better).

 

The other who were following the other prophets did not agree with that idea and hence the resulting differences and clashes between the three Abrahamic religions. So yes, the three religions are linked, each one based off and building off the other, starting with Judaism, followed by Christianity and finally to Islam.

 

Yes I am simplifying it but this is about Inquisitor Ameridan, not about which Abrahamic religion is the best. If you want to do an Abrahamic religion contest, take it to PM or Off-Topic. 

 

Anyway, back to Ameridan. I wonder what sort of magic could trap one in a long stasis like that, essentially preserving the creature in question, in this case, Ameridan himself, without any signs of aging ?

 

I wonder if this magic Ameridan used is the basis for the ancient Elves' Uthenera process where they essentially go into a long statis / sleep, preserving themselves and then waking up again. 

 

I supposed we could ask Solas but that bald elf ran off.

 

Yes, he also has a damn good taste in armor. The very fact mages, in DAO and in DA2, used to use frilly robes is just tragic to me. 

 

I also find it hilarious that here I was, saying all along that the Elves need to cooperate with the humans, they need to be diplomatic, they need to find their own way instead of chasing down and living a past that they do not know very well...and I turned out to be right...Since evidently Ameridan, with his alliance with Drakon, as well as Shartan and Andraste, proved that....

[AresKeith]

I also find it hilarious that here I was, saying all along that the Elves need to cooperate with the humans, they need to be diplomatic, they need to find their own way instead of chasing down and living a past that they do not know very well...and I turned out to be right...Since evidently Ameridan, with his alliance with Drakon, as well as Shartan and Andraste, proved that....

 

Which is why I found it amusing that if he wasn't stuck there the tension between Orlais and Elves wouldn't be as bad it was now

[Patchwork]

Not to go too into spoilers but the spell Ameridan used sounds similar to the one in Last Flight. 

[Colonelkillabee]

 

Yes I am simplifying it but this is about Inquisitor Ameridan, not about which Abrahamic religion is the best. If you want to do an Abrahamic religion contest, take it to PM or Off-Topic. 

Yes, you are, and this wasn't even the point of the discussion, nor was the religions being linked called to question.

 

Anyway, to the topic of Ameridan, one Dalish dude cooperates with the humans and nothing comes of it. Doesn't that suggest that you're wrong and cooperating with the humans isn't what they need? The humans don't want their cooperation.

[Dragonzzilla]

Anyway, back to Ameridan. I wonder what sort of magic could trap one in a long stasis like that, essentially preserving the creature in question, in this case, Ameridan himself, without any signs of aging ? I wonder if this magic Ameridan used is the basis for the ancient Elves' Uthenera process where they essentially go into a long statis / sleep, preserving themselves and then waking up again. 
 
I supposed we could ask Solas but that bald elf ran off.
 
Yes, he also has a damn good taste in armor. The very fact mages, in DAO and in DA2, used to use frilly robes is just tragic to me. 
 
I also find it hilarious that here I was, saying all along that the Elves need to cooperate with the humans, they need to be diplomatic, they need to find their own way instead of chasing down and living a past that they do not know very well...and I turned out to be right...Since evidently Ameridan, with his alliance with Drakon, as well as Shartan and Andraste, proved that....

I thought it was time magic, just as the Venatori try to use.