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[Master Warder Z_]

I thought it was time magic, just as the Venatori try to use.

That magic requirement wasn't met at the time.

[AresKeith]

Anyway, to the topic of Ameridan, one Dalish dude cooperates with the humans and nothing comes of it. Doesn't that suggest that you're wrong and cooperating with the humans isn't what they need? The humans don't want their cooperation.

 

The tension mostly goes back to how the Dalish didn't help them during the Blight

 

Ameridan was going to get them to aid, but he got stuck dealing with Hakkon

[Colonelkillabee]

The tension mostly goes back to how the Dalish didn't help them during the Blight

 

Ameridan was going to get them to aid, but he got stuck dealing with Hakkon

So they say, though I find it silly that they get on the isolationist elves for something that the tevinter and most of the human nations do in the Last Flight, especially in the Free Marches.

 

In other words, it's not just that they didn't fight, though you did say mostly. Even so, it's an important distinction to make. I doubt that the elves helping with the blight would have changed much. It didn't after this most recent blight either.

[themageguy]

Probably rainbows and something reminiscent of captain planet.

Sweet, primal spells are awesome

[Colonelkillabee]

Sweet, primal spells are awesome

I meant the hands holding uniting part, but lol I suppose I left myself wide open for that.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Yes, you are, and this wasn't even the point of the discussion, nor was the religions being linked called to question.

 

Anyway, to the topic of Ameridan, one Dalish dude cooperates with the humans and nothing comes of it. Doesn't that suggest that you're wrong and cooperating with the humans isn't what they need? The humans don't want their cooperation.

 

Actually, Ameridan mentions that it was the Elves who wanted to forsake the Orlesians under Drakon because they think of him as no different than the Tevinter Imperium. 

 

We also know that because of this, and because Ameridan was not there, the Dales did not aid the Orlesians during the Blight, most likely due to the mentality of "the shemlen must all die, since because they are shemlen, they are the Imperium."

 

This resulted in tensions with Orlais and the Dales.This tension rose until the accident or incident in Red Crossing which lead to the war that resulted in the destruction of the Dales.

 

So the issue lies not with cooperation, but rather the lack of insight since to many Elves at the time, all humans = Imperium. 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I thought it was time magic, just as the Venatori try to use.

 

I actually think the Venatori expanded on the Time Magic that the Elves had.

 

See, the Venatori, or rather Alexius specifically, was able to go back in time. 

 

No one was able to do that before. Even Fen'Harel was surprised by it. 

 

I suspect that the ancient Elves knew how to slow down time or even stop time completely for one person, which is what Uthenara is all about. Stasis.

 

The spell Ameridan used seems to be a watered-down version of this. We even had a spell in the Arcane Tree in Awakening called Time Spiral where you alter the perception to reset your cooldown. 

 

Alexius on the other hand, was able to go back in time which meant it was an expansion on the lore of Time Magic, not mere replication. 

[Colonelkillabee]

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It doesn't matter, the red crossing issue didn't start because of this. It would have happened regardless of if the elves cooperated and helped with the blight, mainly of course because they chose to kill in retaliation of the incident and keep on taking orlesian land.

 

Of course, that still puts the fault on the elves, and that's where I think it should lie anyway, but the idea that they needed to cooperate with the humans when they had tension before this anyway from the chantry's templars... it's faulty.

 

Them not assisting the humans was just a justification for the exalted march. Which is funny since they didn't need the extra justification after they went and took Val Royeaux.

 

Point being, they don't need to cooperate, didn't need it then, don't need it now.

 

What they need is to cooperate amongst themselves. They can't even do that, however. Hence why I'm not much of a Dalish fan.

[In Exile]

That's not quite the problem. The problem is one with image: there aren't any major heroes out there who deny the Maker, and I actually consider that more important than honoring the Creators (given that the Creators now appear utterly worthless).

 

It's not like there's an alternative out there for Southern (or even Northern!) Thedas. The Dalish don't worship the Maker, sure, but as I've said a properly Dalish hero wouldn't be the sort of person to ever get involved in the sort of main plots that are part of the main DA stories. The only alternative to the Dalish is the Qunari, and I'm not really sure you can have a major Qunari hero (not really). 

[In Exile]

After What Pride had Wrought, that's not really a matter of belief so much as accepting the painfully obvious.

 

Putting aside Sera's nonsense belief about demons, even Solas (who's the closest thing to a god in the series so far) doesn't think that the old elvhen gods are actually properly deities. 

[Colonelkillabee]

Putting aside Sera's nonsense belief about demons, even Solas (who's the closest thing to a god in the series so far) doesn't think that the old elvhen gods are actually properly deities. 

Actually, that might not be that far from the truth either for some. Solas' name means pride after all, and his wolf persona is reminiscent of the Pride demon's, with the many eyes, three on each side. Though the pride demon has one more in the middle, but they're rather similar.

 

Not saying I think Solas is a demon, but who knows, they could have a relationship. They've been shoving this duality thing down our throats all throughout the game, that things aren't as they first appear.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Actually, that might not be that far from the truth either for some. Solas' name means pride after all, and his wolf persona is reminiscent of the Pride demon's, with the many eyes, three on each side. Though the pride demon has one more in the middle, but they're rather similar.

 

Not saying I think Solas is a demon, but who knows, they could have a relationship. They've been shoving this duality thing down our throats all throughout the game, that things aren't as they first appear.

 

Perhaps each Elven "god" is a dreamer who was very in-tune with the Fade, each one of them is a patron of a particular spirit because they attracted a particular type of spirit to them due to their defining trait and relationship with the Fade? Solas has been known to be friends with Spirits of Wisdom, who, when corrupted from its original purpose, becomes a Pride Demon.

 

A Pride Demon, which looks a lot like Fen'Harel's tarot card, in Wolf Form. 

[Addai]

Actually, Ameridan mentions that it was the Elves who wanted to forsake the Orlesians under Drakon because they think of him as no different than the Tevinter Imperium. 

 

We also know that because of this, and because Ameridan was not there, the Dales did not aid the Orlesians during the Blight, most likely due to the mentality of "the shemlen must all die, since because they are shemlen, they are the Imperium."

 

This resulted in tensions with Orlais and the Dales.This tension rose until the accident or incident in Red Crossing which lead to the war that resulted in the destruction of the Dales.

 

So the issue lies not with cooperation, but rather the lack of insight since to many Elves at the time, all humans = Imperium. 

And Drakon's expansionism had nothing to do with it, I'm sure. The Orlesians would never take over a neighboring country simply to expand their power. *whistles*

 

But I'm sure if that one guy in elven power armor had been there, they'd all be friends. That's the point we're supposed to take away from the DLC, right?

 

As to there not being a Dalish hero because they're insular and have their own beliefs, that just shows lack of imagination and illustrates my problem with this character nicely.

[Uccio]

This maker better be a demon too then if elven gods are demons.

[Kulyok]

This maker better be a demon too then if elven gods are demons.

 

According to the Chantry, the Maker unleashed the Blight upon the unsuspecting world when the magisters came uninvited to his halls. I'd say that's as demonic as you can get.

[Colonelkillabee]

Lol why would it matter if the Maker was a demon too? It's like an unending pissing match with you people, on both sides.

 

Anyway, DA I shows that the boundaries between spirit and demon are rather thin. It would be very interesting indeed if they "corrupted the maker from his purpose", thus releasing the blight from a demonic maker greater spirit. I would love that in fact. Assuming of course that the "maker" wasn't just some uber spirit. That would be boring.

[Ajna]

If you are playing a Lavellan, the parallels between Ameridan and the Inquisitor are pretty crazy:

 

- Dalish

- Leaders of the Inquisition

- Split between two faiths. Even if Lavellan doesn't accept their role as a herald, the majority of them still have to incorporate living in Andrastian culture into their lives.

- Had a group of close companions including a dwarf and a templar who argued a lot.

- Has a spirit companion

- Greatest enemy was a dragon with the spirit of a 'god' inside of it. 

- Becomes friends with the ruler of Orlais. 

- One of their famous exploits is a battle against a giant wolf. 

- [ Potentially a mage. ]

- [ If you romance Solas, fell in love with a dreamer mage. ]

 

I could go on, but it doesn't bode well. 

 

All of this is why the meeting gave me goosebumps.

[Delphine]

Yeah, meeting Ameridan while playing a Dalish elf Mage inquisitor who romanced Solas, was nothing short of amazing, and also incredibly sad.

Probably the only time my Lavellan found someone who'd understand her fully, but couldn't talk to him lots.

 

In all honesty, I really need more of Ameridan & Telana, if anything, that DLC just gave us a tiny glimpse of what the first Inquisition was, and I'm clearly eager to see more of them, be it in novels, dlc, or whatever. Pretty sure we won't have anymore game content about them though, so I guess I'll have to hold onto fanworks to finally have my thirst quenched.

[Amne YA]

If you are playing a Lavellan, the parallels between Ameridan and the Inquisitor are pretty crazy:

 

- Dalish

- Leaders of the Inquisition

- Split between two faiths. Even if Lavellan doesn't accept their role as a herald, the majority of them still have to incorporate living in Andrastian culture into their lives.

- Had a group of close companions including a dwarf and a templar who argued a lot.

- Has a spirit companion

- Greatest enemy was a dragon with the spirit of a 'god' inside of it. 

- Becomes friends with the ruler of Orlais. 

- One of their famous exploits is a battle against a giant wolf. 

- [ Potentially a mage. ]

- [ If you romance Solas, fell in love with a dreamer mage. ]

 

I could go on, but it doesn't bode well. 

so now you arn't special anymore and your inquisitor will be deleted from history in some  years laters just like the last inquisitor ...... 

[Uccio]

If she wanted there to be, sure.

 

I had the impression she did not want. I´m not sure but I recall her calling the elven pantheon blasphemy in the temple of Mythal.

[Uccio]

Lol why would it matter if the Maker was a demon too? It's like an unending pissing match with you people, on both sides.

 

Anyway, DA I shows that the boundaries between spirit and demon are rather thin. It would be very interesting indeed if they "corrupted the maker from his purpose", thus releasing the blight from a demonic maker greater spirit. I would love that in fact. Assuming of course that the "maker" wasn't just some uber spirit. That would be boring.

 

Coz the christian reference in the maker.

[Colonelkillabee]

Coz the christian reference in the maker.

Lol and? What about it?

[Heimdall]

I had the impression she did not want. I´m not sure but I recall her calling the elven pantheon blasphemy in the temple of Mythal.

But if she wanted to, she could, that's my point. There's nothing but her own preference stopping her.

Also, when the Dalish Inquisitor says "I worship my own gods." Cassandra says "And there isn't room for one more?" Well, clearly Ameridan thought there was.

[Heimdall]

Yeah, meeting Ameridan while playing a Dalish elf Mage inquisitor who romanced Solas, was nothing short of amazing, and also incredibly sad.
Probably the only time my Lavellan found someone who'd understand her fully, but couldn't talk to him lots.
 
In all honesty, I really need more of Ameridan & Telana, if anything, that DLC just gave us a tiny glimpse of what the first Inquisition was, and I'm clearly eager to see more of them, be it in novels, dlc, or whatever. Pretty sure we won't have anymore game content about them though, so I guess I'll have to hold onto fanworks to finally have my thirst quenched.

My Lavellan isn't a Mage, but the rest is the same... And now I'm totally making Ameridan's syncretic faith her new religion in my headcanon. *insert why-not-both gif here*

[Uccio]

Lol and? What about it?

 

Nothing besides I have no interest in the absent father figure god, the only one, in my fantasy games.