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[von uber]

A much more pertinent point is why bioware didn't expand on it during the extended cut.

[Quarian Master Race]

Why is there even any argument that Shepard was on the Citadel? Do you people just not get orbital physics, or do you think that every unpowered object in Earth's orbit immediately falls onto the surface within minutes? Defunct satellites and space junk from the 50 and 60s are still floating around up there and will be for hundreds to thousands of years.

The movie Gravity is not science fiction.

[ZoliCs]

I'm inclined to think back on Earth, though now that I think about it, if he had fallen from the Citadel, he would be a smear on the concrete.

You can't just fall to Earth from orbit.

[ZoliCs]

Why is there even any argument that Shepard was on the Citadel? Do you people just not get orbital physics, or do you think that every unpowered object in Earth's orbit immediately falls onto the surface within minutes? Defunct satellites and space junk from the 50 and 60s are still floating around up there and will be for hundreds to thousands of years.

The movie Gravity is not science fiction.

ninjad :/

[Riven326]

The Citadel is the only logical place he could be.

[Excella Gionne]

On the Citadel. ITers would like to think he/she's on Earth due to the road tracks on the rubble, but then Bioware always reuses objects. 

[ZerebusPrime]

Why is there even any argument that Shepard was on the Citadel? Do you people just not get orbital physics, or do you think that every unpowered object in Earth's orbit immediately falls onto the surface within minutes? Defunct satellites and space junk from the 50 and 60s are still floating around up there and will be for hundreds to thousands of years.

The movie Gravity is not science fiction.

 

Gravity *is* science fiction.  I for one have no issue with the Citadel remaining in orbit in spite of the explosion and conservation of momentum and all that.  I do have trouble with any interpretation that has Shepard lying under rubble on the exterior of the station.

[KaiserShep]

I do have trouble with any interpretation that has Shepard lying under rubble on the exterior of the station.

How come? Throughout the entire series, we see characters walking around in areas that would have otherwise been exposed to outer space if not for Mass Effect fields. Normandy's docking bay in ME1 is basically right out in the open, with nothing but a mass effect field standing between it and the vacuum of space. The derelict reaper has big gaping holes into space in some segments. Menae does not actually have a proper atmosphere, but the turians rigged large areas with powerful mass effect fields to trap enough air and heat to be hospitable in places. Shepard was already walking on the exterior of the Citadel before the breath scene, so it's easy to assume that the generators were still working, provided the damage isn't too great.

[dorktainian]

The Citadel is the only logical place he could be.

haha...  of course it is 

 

The rubble scene consists of.

 

Markings in broken concrete.

Rebar.

Fire.

Smoke.

What looks like an overturned Mako with it's wheels in the air visible behind the smoke.

 

Of course he's on the citadel.  

 

But there are also alternatives to him being on earth... if you think about it.

[ZerebusPrime]

How come? Throughout the entire series, we see characters walking around in areas that would have otherwise been exposed to outer space if not for Mass Effect fields. Normandy's docking bay in ME1 is basically right out in the open, with nothing but a mass effect field standing between it and the vacuum of space. The derelict reaper has big gaping holes into space in some segments. Menae does not actually have a proper atmosphere, but the turians rigged large areas with powerful mass effect fields to trap enough air and heat to be hospitable in places. Shepard was already walking on the exterior of the Citadel before the breath scene, so it's easy to assume that the generators were still working, provided the damage isn't too great.

 

Like I said on page 1, it's crazy!  And since I do not believe in the Decision Chamber as a real place on the outside of the Citadel, I dispute Shepard having already been walking along the exterior before the breath scene.  As for the Mass Effect fields holding in air... conceded.  But it's still crazy for Shepard to be there.  I mean, I'm crazy, too, but the Decision Chamber is just insane.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Rebar of some sort could have been used as part of the support for the Citadel. I mean the reapers could have mined a planet like Rannoch for the raw materials. You saw how none of the rock behind Shepard was even affected by the reaper's blast during the boss fight. I think if the Quarians built an underground bunker there,  or used that material for their ship armor they would have been fine. If you see that as a part of a wrecked Mako could be those wheels. Note they're Goodyear tires.

 

[Valmar]

Gravity *is* science fiction.  I for one have no issue with the Citadel remaining in orbit in spite of the explosion and conservation of momentum and all that.  I do have trouble with any interpretation that has Shepard lying under rubble on the exterior of the station.

 

Not that specific part of it, no. There's a ton of junk floating around up there. It doesn't just plummet back down to earth.

 

Also, regardless of your personal feelings of it, it isn't "interpretation" that Shepard is on the citadel. Its lore fact. Confirmed by Bioware. You don't have to like it or even agree with the direction they took. It's their intended vision, regardless of whether you like the view or not.

 

Bioware have a thing for reusing art assets. Plus add the fact that the ending was rushed, it all points to just being reused art assets. Sure, it might look like London rubble. That is purely cosmetic and inconsequential though because they make it clear both in the game and through direct interaction with fans that he is on the citadel. This isn't even the worse case of Bioware recycling textures. This is just nitpicking.
 

[ZerebusPrime]

Valmar, you missed my jest.  The movie Gravity is *literally* Science Fiction.  It is a movie of the Science Fiction genre.  The rest is unnecessary.  I was quipping.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

If Shepard is on Earth, then Indoctrination Theory is true.

[ZerebusPrime]

But Shepard is clearly on the Citadel, from a certain point of view.

 

A certainly unreliable point of view.

[Ithurael]

But Shepard is clearly on the Citadel, from a certain point of view.

 

A certainly unreliable point of view.

 

Why is is unreliable when it is disadvantageous to IT support?

 

I didn't see any qualms when Priestly was leading you all on saying "IT was a viable explanation for the ending" in another attempt to ensure you buy their DLC.

 

Cause...I mean...imagine if IT wasn't plausible or viable for the ending. Would you have bought all the DLC? I already know all, if not most, of the iTers on that forum you go to bought all the DLC because...reasons.

 

Blind fanboism is strong...but it can be remedied. You just have to have control.

[AlanC9]

Why is there even any argument that Shepard was on the Citadel? Do you people just not get orbital physics, or do you think that every unpowered object in Earth's orbit immediately falls onto the surface within minutes? Defunct satellites and space junk from the 50 and 60s are still floating around up there and will be for hundreds to thousands of years.
The movie Gravity is not science fiction.

Blame Star Trek. In the TOS era the Enterprise was always just an engine failure away from falling out of the sky within 15 minutes to a half hour, depending on how much running time was left in the episode.

[AlanC9]

-Shepard would have floated back to Earth and burned up during re-entry (see ME2 opening scene).
-Re-entry temperatures are upwards of 3000 degrees Fahrenheit. Crematory ovens work around 1400-1800 Fahrenheit.

If Shepard's at orbital velocity, why would he fall out of orbit at all? A space shuttle or Soyuz capsule re-enters because it fires rockets to get it under orbital velocity. (Apollo capsules returning from the moon weren't in Earth orbit.) What would slow Shepard?

[Larry-3]

The Presidium. When you talk to the Illusive Man you can clearly see the arms in the background. After you have that scene you take a small floor past up a few levels to a wide open room with a... mezzanine... ? When the explosion occurs, Shepard was probably thrown back off the walkway down to the bottom of the room. The logical conclusion is that the room is intact, but the big machine is destroyed, and the walkway gave way a fell via the explosion.

[dorktainian]

The Presidium. When you talk to the Illusive Man you can clearly see the arms in the background. After you have that scene you take a small floor past up a few levels to a wide open room with a... mezzanine... ? When the explosion occurs, Shepard was probably thrown back off the walkway down to the bottom of the room. The logical conclusion is that the room is intact, but the big machine is destroyed, and the walkway gave way a fell via the explosion.

 

an explosion that engulfed the presidium and pretty much destroyed the citadel, including the links to the arms?

 

and he wasn't vaporised?  Seriously?

[AlanC9]

Sure. The kinetic barriers on the room Shepard's in have whatever strength the plot requires, just as Normandy's velocity relative to Alchera was whatever was necessary to keep Shepard from burning up in the atmosphere.

Note that while the Ward arms are blown off, the Presidium ring is visibly intact after the blast.

[KaiserShep]

an explosion that engulfed the presidium and pretty much destroyed the citadel, including the links to the arms?

 

and he wasn't vaporised?  Seriously?

 

Welp, I guess we can chalk this up to there not being different types of animation going on during this scene. In Synthesis, the flame-out on the Citadel is cut just a wee bit shorter. In any case, the epilogue slide pretty much shows us what the Citadel looks like in high EMS destroy before it's repaired.

 

[ZerebusPrime]

"See!  The blast was powerful enough to punch holes in the nigh-impervious quantum shielded armor of the Citadel!"

 

"Uh, no.  The energy blast just turned off the quantum shielding by devouring its power source, ergo the blast at all.  Occam's Razor, dude."

 

"Oh, so the blast rendered the station nonfunctional.  So what's holding in the air in the Decision Chamber when Shepard wakes up?"

"Mass effect fields! I already explained that!"

 

"And they're still functional."

 

"Yes!"

 

"Ooookay.  And the wind?"

 

"Who cares?"

 

"I do.  Because if it's not wind, it's the distant sucking sound of the station's atmosphere leaching into space, which, given the picture above, should take only seconds to complete."

 

"That has nothing to do with the Decision Chamber!  Separate spot, separate system!"

 

"Sigh.  It took the destroy blast at point blank.  The destroy blast is still potent out to the distance of many lightyears despite expanding out in a spherical wave and its intensity falling proportional to the square of the distance traveled.  Anything in the same room of that blast is going to get incinerated irregardless of what color you choose."

 

"You don't actually know that it even works that way."

 

"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!"

[JasonShepard]

"Anything in the same room of that blast is going to get incinerated irregardless of what color you choose."

 

Actually, that's false - if you pick Blue, there's no explosion...

 

(I'm nitpicking here; despite disagreeing with you, I actually quite enjoyed that post Well played.)