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[Ithurael]

"See!  The blast was powerful enough to punch holes in the nigh-impervious quantum shielded armor of the Citadel!"

 

"Uh, no.  The energy blast just turned off the quantum shielding by devouring its power source, ergo the blast at all.  Occam's Razor, dude."

 

"Oh, so the blast rendered the station nonfunctional.  So what's holding in the air in the Decision Chamber when Shepard wakes up?"

"Mass effect fields! I already explained that!"

 

"And they're still functional."

 

"Yes!"

 

"Ooookay.  And the wind?"

 

"Who cares?"

 

"I do.  Because if it's not wind, it's the distant sucking sound of the station's atmosphere leaching into space, which, given the picture above, should take only seconds to complete."

 

"That has nothing to do with the Decision Chamber!  Separate spot, separate system!"

 

"Sigh.  It took the destroy blast at point blank.  The destroy blast is still potent out to the distance of many lightyears despite expanding out in a spherical wave and its intensity falling proportional to the square of the distance traveled.  Anything in the same room of that blast is going to get incinerated irregardless of what color you choose."

 

"You don't actually know that it even works that way."

 

"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!"

 

 

Ya...it is like the ending and the end sequence in general wasn't peer reviewed or something...huh...odd. I wonder if we will ever know who wrote the ending and if it was ever peer reviewed?

 

oh wait

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

In Green, the arms of the Citadel don't get blown off either. It's only in Red, destroy that the arms of the Citadel get blown off. In fact even in the High EMS version three of the arms detach in the explosion, yet in the aftermath slides all of the arms mysteriously are functional again. And in the movie it looks like a nuke going off destroying the Citadel.

 

Wait! This is another thing that doesn't make any sense. How could Shepard survive? Yet Shepard does... which means Shepard has to be in London.

 

So did Shepard ever make it to the beam in the first place? Or was that all a dream? Was Shepard laying on the ground in London having this nightmare about the ending like the rest of us. What if Bioware wrote this really awesome ending to the trilogy but indoctrination got to us before we could see it?

[ZerebusPrime]

Bingo.  The destroy wave being destructive does not jive with Shepard waking up where we last saw him.

[Vazgen]

Shep is on the Citadel.

 

Bioware confirms it.

 

And that is where he/she will be until the ending of the universe...or until Bioware retcons it with another statement or a game to show otherwise

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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Bingo.  The destroy wave being destructive does not jive with Shepard waking up where we last saw him.

 

But the Bioware writers said the breath scene took place on the Citadel. One person said it was on one of the ward arms. No one confirmed exactly where on the Citadel. This is yet another thing that doesn't make any sense. The entire ending sequence didn't make any sense. But we know....

 

[AlanC9]

"Sigh.  It took the destroy blast at point blank.  The destroy blast is still potent out to the distance of many lightyears despite expanding out in a spherical wave and its intensity falling proportional to the square of the distance traveled.  Anything in the same room of that blast is going to get incinerated irregardless of what color you choose."
 
"You don't actually know that it even works that way."
 
"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH!"

Heh. But I'm going to have to quibble here. In high-EMS conditions, the Destroy wave passes through lots of stuff without harming it.

[KaiserShep]

Heh. But I'm going to have to quibble here. In high-EMS conditions, the Destroy wave passes through lots of stuff without harming it.

Pretty much. Heck the wave vaporizes people in low EMS and EDI dies while the Normandy is perfectly operational.

[ZerebusPrime]

Heh. But I'm going to have to quibble here. In high-EMS conditions, the Destroy wave passes through lots of stuff without harming it.

 

Yes.  That was the subtext of "You don't actually know that it even works that way."  The greater argument is that any signal of any kind using that much power has to produce a massive amount of radiation (in the form of heat if nothing else) at the point of transmission VERSUS the signal seems to pass through people and planets relatively close to the Citadel without harming anything.  Both viewpoints can be expanded upon.  No resolution will be found.

 

I mean, if I were writing it I'd have the "signal" target a subatomic layer of reality in which eezo uniquely resides and fine tune it to wreck every Reaper mass effect core in the galaxy.  I'd even try to target to a unique Reaper eezo signature caused by whatever their advanced eezo refining methods are.  However, no matter how the signal wave is described, we are still left with the explosion that bursts out of the Citadel.  Explosions in space are strange things; fire cannot exist without an atmosphere.  If you watch the high EMS destroy ending, you see such an explosion bursting out of the Presidium Ring, meaning that a great deal of superheated air has just been forcibly ejected from the station's inner ring.  Like, say, all of it.

 

Then one can counter the explosion with "Rule of Cool" and so on and so forth.  There will be no end of it as things stand now.

[AlanC9]

I mean, if I were writing it I'd have the "signal" target a subatomic layer of reality in which eezo uniquely resides and fine tune it to wreck every Reaper mass effect core in the galaxy.  I'd even try to target to a unique Reaper eezo signature caused by whatever their advanced eezo refining methods are.  However, no matter how the signal wave is described, we are still left with the explosion that bursts out of the Citadel.  

Not bad. I'd go a different way, myself. The Crucible targets the layer of reality where consciousness itself resides. Might as well rip off the Hyperion Cantos a bit more, especially since some of this mumbo-jumbo is already baked into the setting. Synthetic consciousnesses are different in nature from organically-evolved consciousnesses, and Destroy wipes them out. And Synthesis... I'm sure you see it.

Explosions in space are strange things; fire cannot exist without an atmosphere.  If you watch the high EMS destroy ending, you see such an explosion bursting out of the Presidium Ring, meaning that a great deal of superheated air has just been forcibly ejected from the station's inner ring.  Like, say, all of it.
 
Then one can counter the explosion with "Rule of Cool" and so on and so forth.  There will be no end of it as things stand now.

At some point you just gotta call bad VFX and move on, yeah. The spaceships don't move right either, which is funny because some of Shepard's dialogue lampshades civilians not knowing how it works.

[dorktainian]

http://www.livescien...n-survival.html

 

there's a whole load of reasons as to why shep would be dead if he's on the citadel.    

[KaiserShep]

There's a whole load of reasons why Shepard would survive as well, using ideas established in the game itself.

[ZerebusPrime]

I did say that both sides of the argument could be expanded upon ad infinitum.

 

Of course I also know on which side of that argument I stand!   If Shepard's actually up there then he's been microwaved well past well done, which doesn't jive with the Breath Scene, ergo Shepard isn't actually up there.  IT evidence catalogue number two hundred and seventy something something something!

 

PS: Dorktanian, that link is awesome.

[themikefest]

I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite spot on the Citadel to survive an explosion. Of course I have no idea where that spot is for Shepard to survive

[Iakus]

Not bad. I'd go a different way, myself. The Crucible targets the layer of reality where consciousness itself resides. Might as well rip off the Hyperion Cantos a bit more, especially since some of this mumbo-jumbo is already baked into the setting. Synthetic consciousnesses are different in nature from organically-evolved consciousnesses, and Destroy wipes them out. And Synthesis... I'm sure you see it.
 

Yet it can tell the difference between a synthetic consciousness with organic components (Reapers) and synthetically created organic beings (Miranda, Grunt), which are possibly cybernetically enhanced.

 

And of course there is no difference in synthetic consciousness between Reapers, geth, EDI, etc.  Despite being made with different tech, in different time periods by different species. 

 

 

At some point you just gotta call bad VFX and move on, yeah. The spaceships don't move right either, which is funny because some of Shepard's dialogue lampshades civilians not knowing how it works.

Not just bad effects.  Bad logic.  Bad writing.  Bad follow-through.  

[Quarian Master Race]

Yes.  That was the subtext of "You don't actually know that it even works that way."  The greater argument is that any signal of any kind using that much power has to produce a massive amount of radiation (in the form of heat if nothing else) at the point of transmission VERSUS the signal seems to pass through people and planets relatively close to the Citadel without harming anything.  Both viewpoints can be expanded upon.  No resolution will be found.

 

I mean, if I were writing it I'd have the "signal" target a subatomic layer of reality in which eezo uniquely resides and fine tune it to wreck every Reaper mass effect core in the galaxy.  I'd even try to target to a unique Reaper eezo signature caused by whatever their advanced eezo refining methods are.  However, no matter how the signal wave is described, we are still left with the explosion that bursts out of the Citadel.  Explosions in space are strange things; fire cannot exist without an atmosphere.  If you watch the high EMS destroy ending, you see such an explosion bursting out of the Presidium Ring, meaning that a great deal of superheated air has just been forcibly ejected from the station's inner ring.  Like, say, all of it.

 

Then one can counter the explosion with "Rule of Cool" and so on and so forth.  There will be no end of it as things stand now.

or we could just accept that the writers of the story elaborated the answer to this question already, and all explanations to the contrary are thus rendered argumentum ad ignorantiam.

This series is built on space magic and rule of cool. That is the end of it.
 

[Iakus]

I'm Commander Shepard and this is my favorite spot on the Citadel to survive an explosion. Of course I have no idea where that spot is for Shepard to survive

Lots of speculation for everybody!

[MageTarot]

I'm probably going to hell for this but...

 

(don't read if you haven't done the Citadel DLC)

 

Spoiler

Maybe it was your Shepard clone that took that breath?    

[Vazgen]

He wouldn't survive the explosion. Shepard isn't Superman. 

According to Ashley he's a god And surviving the explosion is as possible as surviving Harbinger's blast and/or being resurrected by Cerberus.

[Ithurael]

Look guys...

 

Bioware CONFIRMED Shep is on the Citadel.

 

Yes...this creates a LOT of issues.

 

Yes, It is implausible and impossible in some respects. But the thing is. That IS where he is - until bio changes it with another game or statement. From now on, we HAVE to headcanon HOW he survived because bio is not going to tell us. Sometimes I am not sure those that believe in IT know about the workings of Rule of Cool. Or even think that the ending was rushed and not peer reviewed.

 

If you are waiting or hoping for something to happen that changes this circumstance or, in fact, expands or adds to it...well...all I can say is...farewell and adieu

[TheN7Penguin]

It LOOKS like London. But if they confirmed it was the Citadel, maybe some of it managed to keep an atmosphere?

[Han Shot First]

He wouldn't survive the explosion. Shepard isn't Superman. 

 

He survives because that was what the writer's intended, regardless of whether or not that survival is plausible.

 

There are also elements in the series more far-fetched than Shepard surviving High EMS Destroy, like the Lazarus Project. 

[Ithurael]

Every story requires some input on the player's part. I have my own headcanon on what happened (see earlier). There was enough information in that breath scene for me to connect the dots and draw my own conclusions.

 

I have seen your prime argument:

 

 

I'm inclined to reject Bioware's interpretation and subtitute my own.

 

 

Headcanon is fine. There is nothing wrong with that.

 

There is however a problem when we think our headcanon is developer intent.

 

One can headcanon that Shep is on earth. But Bioware clearly stated Shep is on the citadel.

 

So if your interpretation believes Shep is on Earth and you know that it is headcanon - that is good.

If your interpretation believes that Shep is on Earth AND you think Bioware believes that too (or planned on it) - this is not so good.

[ZerebusPrime]

How dare everyone have lots of speculations!                   

 

 

 

EDIT: Seriously, not a dig.  That's the writers' intent in a nutshell: speculations.  It's in the notes!