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[Il Divo]

This may be a generalization on my part, but RPG players do tend to be completionists.  I mean, we play RPGs,  which are usually hours worth of content, hidden loot, and a genre that has basically taught gamers to look under every nook and cranny for hidden stuff.  Laidlaw's surprise on that feels disingenuous.  Or he doesn't understand his fanbase. I'm not sure which is more concerning.  Then again, I don't understand a lot of things going on at Bioware these days.

 

 

I think that's a fair point. I see this sort of thing a lot with Elder Scrolls (and even Zelda games). Regardless of whether it's the right approach to take, a lot of gamers have the "do everything possible" mentality. 

[AlanC9]

Which is the game you do not own? The one the most right? Cause that's The Keep.

Thanks. Yeah, I gotta add ME1 too. Plus DAI as soon as I actually can run it on my own rig.

[AlanC9]

I think that's a fair point. I see this sort of thing a lot with Elder Scrolls (and even Zelda games). Regardless of whether it's the right approach to take, a lot of gamers have the "do everything possible" mentality.

Ye gods. I'd rather be shot in the face than do a completionist Skyrim run.

[Il Divo]

Ye gods. I'd rather be shot in the face than do a completionist Skyrim run.

 

Likewise. I don't think it's a sensible approach to take, particularly for role-playing, but I'm also a bit skeptical at how surprised Laidlaw himself is that people would do this. 

[dreamgazer]

Considering we got a game driven by both story and characters with Inquisition, I'd say the chances are good.

[MelissaGT]

Ye gods. I'd rather be shot in the face than do a completionist Skyrim run.

 

Am I correct in remembering that it's actually impossible to finish everything in Skyrim as it will continue to auto-generate random side-quests indefinitely?

 

Thanks. Yeah, I gotta add ME1 too. Plus DAI as soon as I actually can run it on my own rig.

 

I wasn't able to find a way to register ME1 on BSN. I checked and it only gives an option to register DA:O, DA:2, ME2 and ME3. 

 

I remember ME1 being one of those games I didn't even have to install on my new computer. I just took the folder and drag n' dropped it from one computer to the next and it still worked. I even think that was going from Vista to Win 7. 

 

I'm since on a new Win 8.1 machine and ME1 is floating out there in Amazon Cloud-land. I don't think I'll ever play it again. I rely on that wonderful MassEffectSaves.com site. 

[Morroian]

Hence, my 20+ DAO playthroughs.

 

I hope we get good news about the new IP David Gaider is working on. And hopefully the change in leadership freshens things up for Dragon Age.

 

Gaider leaving was not the change in leadership that the franchise needed though. Other changes needed to be made.

[Morroian]

Peel away the body DAI is swtor a MMO.

 

Not really the storytelling in swtor is better than in dai.

[mopotter]

Why do you have ME1 on your profile? I want it too

I don't actually know.  I have all 3 games on the 360 and on the pc so maybe one or the other showed up?  

[KaiserShep]

Considering we got a game driven by both story and characters with Inquisition, I'd say the chances are good.

 

Yeah, Inquisition is certainly not driven by its combat gameplay, like, say, Destiny.

[Morroian]

Yeah, Inquisition is certainly not driven by its combat gameplay, like, say, Destiny.

 

So why make all the changes to combat then in an apparent effort to appeal to that crowd (and failing miserably).

[SofaJockey]

So why make all the changes to combat then in an apparent effort to appeal to that crowd (and failing miserably).

 

I assume this started with the Frostbite 3 engine, so there was no legacy to change, there was a shooter engine to adapt.

Personally I'm perfectly fine with the combat mechanics on console, though an upgrade to Tactics for next time would be nice.

[Farangbaa]

Am I correct in remembering that it's actually impossible to finish everything in Skyrim as it will continue to auto-generate random side-quests indefinitely?
 
 
I wasn't able to find a way to register ME1 on BSN. I checked and it only gives an option to register DA:O, DA:2, ME2 and ME3. 
 
I remember ME1 being one of those games I didn't even have to install on my new computer. I just took the folder and drag n' dropped it from one computer to the next and it still worked. I even think that was going from Vista to Win 7. 
 
I'm since on a new Win 8.1 machine and ME1 is floating out there in Amazon Cloud-land. I don't think I'll ever play it again. I rely on that wonderful MassEffectSaves.com site. 

If you're on PC:

Just put serial key into Origin.

Top left of your Origin screen should be a button that says 'Origin'. Click it, choose 'add game...' (or whatever it says in English, mine isn't). Then 'turn in product code' and enter your serial key. (once you've done this you can also the game from Origin)

Log out of BSN and log in again to force BSN to check your games and it will be there.

ME1 works fine on windows 8.1 btw, I think. I didn't play for long, but after I forced it load as admin it worked just as well as in windows 7 for that small time I played it. Even installed the high res mod

[Father_Jerusalem]

So why make all the changes to combat then in an apparent effort to appeal to that crowd (and failing miserably).

 

Because DAO's combat was god awful, DA2's combat was a little too over the top, and so they tried (and succeeded - hey, if you're going to speak for everyone, I'll get in on that too) a version that was somewhat balanced between the two, and worked well with the new engine they were using?

[Morroian]

Because DAO's combat was god awful, DA2's combat was a little too over the top, and so they tried (and succeeded - hey, if you're going to speak for everyone, I'll get in on that too) a version that was somewhat balanced between the two, and worked well with the new engine they were using?

 

Is berating those who criticise DAI as making out they speak for everybody a new thing or something? If you want me to add a IMHO I can. Its only my opinion and I'm not trying to state anything else.

[Walker White]

This is clearly going to turn into "What is an RPG?" thread #246,127,940.

 

I don't even understand what story/character driven game means in this context.  

 

Does it mean that the vast majority of quests/missions must be related to either the main plot or a character companion? What percentage is required here? Because the Baldur's Gate games, which this forum used to swear was the greatest BioWare Game of All Time ™, had less of this than DA:I.

 

In fact the Bioware game that most matches that definition is ME2, which this forum has historically claimed was not an RPG for exactly this reason.  Too much author voice and not even player-directed story.

 

So I must be missing something here.  What definition are we using? 

[Aaleel]

This is clearly going to turn into "What is an RPG?" thread #246,127,940.

 

I don't even understand what story/character driven game means in this context.  

 

Does it mean that the vast majority of quests/missions must be related to either the main plot or a character companion? What percentage is required here? Because the Baldur's Gate games, which this forum used to swear was the greatest BioWare Game of All Time ™, had less of this than DA:I.

 

In fact the Bioware game that most matches that definition is ME2, which this forum has historically claimed was not an RPG for exactly this reason.  Too much author voice and not even player-directed story.

 

So I must be missing something here.  What definition are we using? 

 

From what I can tell the standard has been if I liked the game it was story driven, if I didn't it wasn't.  If I liked the game it was an RPG, if I didn't it wasn't an RPG.

[Lebanese Dude]

a lot of gamers have the "do everything possible" mentality. 

 

A lot of hardcore gamers*

 

Less people than you think.

 

Judging by Laidlaw's response, I assume he was surprised that a significantly larger percentage of players went for completionist playthroughs in DAI rather than him being surprised such players exist to begin with.

 

This doesn't come as a surprise in hindsight though. DAI is the first game in the series that has a significant focus on exploration and player initiative. This has "confused" many DA players who were accustomed to being railroaded and "fully clearing" the game relatively easily without much effort.

[SofaJockey]

Will we ever see a story & character driven game from BioWare again?

 

Of course we will, all the Mass Effect and Dragon Age games so far have been driven by story and character.

The next games in those franchises will be driven by story and characters as well.

 

Starting with the OP, arguments to the contrary are a threadbare attempt to wind people up 

or are a self-entitled whine based on misery-ridden hyperbole which has no place in a logical discussion.

 

In my opinion, of course, as we are so keen on enshrining the right to state opinions.

[CronoDragoon]

Does it mean that the vast majority of quests/missions must be related to either the main plot or a character companion? What percentage is required here? Because the Baldur's Gate games, which this forum used to swear was the greatest BioWare Game of All Time ™, had less of this than DA:I.

 
Given that john_shepardd thinks Mass Effect counts as "Bioware's old games" I'd imagine bringing up Baldur's Gate is a waste of time.
 

not sure but apparently you like wasting your time with pointless comments like this

Sadly this is only the tip of the iceberg for my pointless time wasting abilities. But yes, you're right.
 

Sure i have already seen many Topic like this regarding DAI on the BSN what's the need to have another?
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I believe that the OP intentions were to express an opinion after the first DAI DLC, who is in fact something that instead to fill the empty areas with new story contents to help those Zones to be less useless for the sake of the story, a boring new zone with pretty much new fetch quests
(as if we had not enough) .

For the record, the bolded is also a concern of mine. But even if I agree with someone's ultimate point, I don't support poor logic and disingenuous assertions to get there. I mean, look at the OP. He begins with a premise that is by no means agreed upon, presents no arguments, and resorts to hyperbole when all else fails. This is not a good topic.

[Allan Schumacher]

This is clearly going to turn into "What is an RPG?" thread #246,127,940.

I'm nipping this in the bud, though, because I've been around long enough to know that what people want out of games called RPGs is often very personal and that coming up with a specific definition is usually a road to unnecessary hostility.


I do want to chime into this thread as I did have to follow up on some posters. Crossing the line and insulting posters because they like different things in video games is never acceptable. Please do not do it. Several posters start to flirt that line.

[SuperNose]

 
Given that john_shepardd thinks Mass Effect counts as "Bioware's old games" I'd imagine bringing up Baldur's Gate is like describing the merits of a typewriter to a tween.

 

Oh....Baldur's Gate. I need to get over the dated graphics and actually play those two games......but it's so hard.

[MelissaGT]

Straight from Wikipedia:

 

A role-playing game (RPG and sometimes roleplaying game[1][2]) is a game in which players assume the roles of characters in a fictional setting. Players take responsibility for acting out these roles within a narrative, either through literal acting or through a process of structured decision-making or character development.[3] Actions taken within many games succeed or fail according to a formal system of rules and guidelines.[4]

 

Yep, it's a RPG. Not sure why that was even in question... 

[MelissaGT]

Oh....Baldur's Gate. I need to get over the dated graphics and actually play those two games......but it's so hard.

 

Yes, this game has been brought up several times. I will have to play it. I know my b/f loves them. 

[Medhia_Nox]

I'd like to find the leader of the Cult of the Rose Colored Glasses and ask him/her why the cultists complain about both the "pointless fetch quests" and the "war table missions being impersonal because I'm leading an organization and not personally doing things".

 

I must know the secrets of this mystery cult!