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[Gizzy the Moe]

Okay guys, I have been a loyal EA customer and a fan of BioWare for quite some time.  I have to say that EA was even gracious and helpful with a problem I had a few years ago and went above and beyond in the way they settled my issue.  But yesterday, I was at a friends house and noticed the new DA Inquisition DLC Jaws of Hakkon was available on her xbox one.  I was kind of jazzed seeing as it came out on March 24 and my b-day is the next day.  I am an older, female gamer, but I was kind of excited, until I found out this morning (on my b-day no less) that the DLC is not available for xbox 360 or playstation 4.  It is, however, available for xbox one and PC.  Really guys?!?! 

 

I understand that creating a game for several different systems is probably painstakingly difficult and that one systems problems will differ from the others.  However, I am insulted that just because I have not upgraded to the xbox one I am unable to even play the new DLC.  Here is a suggestion for the future to ensure you don't leave out a good portion of your customers and avid players of your games--Do not launch a new DLC that is not availble for all of the systems that the original game was available for from the beginning.  It is insulting and excludes a fairly good portion of your customers.  That seems like somewhat of an elitest move.  Not the best marketing strategy, folks. 

 

I have been a DA fan as well as a Mass Effect fan for years now.  Heck, I even read through several of the books for both genres.  So I am really quite disappointed in this move.  Kind of cruddy.  I am not pleased.

[AppalachianApex]

It's a timed exclusivity deal. I agree that it's cruddy, it isn't as if DLC being available *slightly* earlier on one platform or another is going to make anyone rush to buy a console, but it isn't as if the DLC will never get to other platforms. It'll get there, just at a latter date.

Plus, from what I hear, while the DLC is solid, it's overpriced and you're really not missing out on all that much. 

[Patchwork]

I don't mind if it delayed as along as it's *is* released on older consoles eventually. 

[Kaibe]

If it being delayed will make it not buggy, but I feel like it will be. Particularly on PS3 and 360.

[Drwhom]

Traded in my copy of DA:I today. Last time I ever buy a Bioware game. I'm a huge ME and DA fan but I simply cannot stand this timed/exclusive DLC BS. You were paid off to keep it off the PS4 for however long and you don't have the balls to announce when we can expect to see it. Or your EA overlords won't allow it as Microsoft have paid them to keep it from being spoken about.

 

Sellouts.

[Kantr]

Traded in my copy of DA:I today. Last time I ever buy a Bioware game. I'm a huge ME and DA fan but I simply cannot stand this timed/exclusive DLC BS. You were paid off to keep it off the PS4 for however long and you don't have the balls to announce when we can expect to see it. Or your EA overlords won't allow it as Microsoft have paid them to keep it from being spoken about.

 

Sellouts.

Tough luck. It's the future of the industry. See timed exclusivity for Destiny on the PS4 and even 2 of the dlc not going to xbox at all.

[wepeel_]

loyal EA customer

 

Seriously though, this was announced from the get-go. I'm not sure if the Xbone and 360 were explicitly separated, but when you decide to get games for outdated consoles there are always risks, both in terms of performance and support. It's like minimum-specs PC users who complain that the game isn't running smoothly.

[DanteYoda]

Tough luck. It's the future of the industry. See timed exclusivity for Destiny on the PS4 and even 2 of the dlc not going to xbox at all.

The future or it's death?

 

I'm sorry to hear some of the console brethren have been excluded from it, being first and foremost a PC player, i still feel the words "timed" and "exclusive" should play zero part in the gaming industry and if it keeps up i feel it'll be the "death knell" of gaming over time.

 

Again sorry to hear.

[KaiserShep]

I agree that it's the work of pure evil, and anyone who tries to set it into motion should have cartoon hands fly in from every angle to punch them in the face, but them's the breaks I suppose. 

 

Tough luck. It's the future of the industry. See timed exclusivity for Destiny on the PS4 and even 2 of the dlc not going to xbox at all.

 

This is something I've been sort of afraid might happen with Inquisition content as well. Heh, as if people didn't have enough reason to talk sh*t about EA. No doubt if Inquisition starts getting anything meaningful that's XBox/PC only, I'd no doubt start to lose steam on going forward buying their stuff, because there's no way I'm buying a damn XBox.

[Kantr]

The future or it's death?

 

I'm sorry to hear some of the console brethren have been excluded from it, being first and foremost a PC player, i still feel the words "timed" and "exclusive" should play zero part in the gaming industry and if it keeps up i feel it'll be the "death knell" of gaming over time.

 

Again sorry to hear.

Means more money for companies and bragging rights for the console Manufacturer . Not good for consumers

[Saphiron123]

Traded in my copy of DA:I today. Last time I ever buy a Bioware game. I'm a huge ME and DA fan but I simply cannot stand this timed/exclusive DLC BS. You were paid off to keep it off the PS4 for however long and you don't have the balls to announce when we can expect to see it. Or your EA overlords won't allow it as Microsoft have paid them to keep it from being spoken about.

Sellouts.

I'm on ps4 too but dude every title has timed exclusive something. It's a month, they aren't sacrificing your firstborn child.

If that's enough to trade your game in, your games library must change like once a week.

[WildOrchid]

At least it's timed. Instead of other games who are excusively on ps4 (looks at Bloodborne).

 

 

I personally really can't stand exclusive games.

[KaiserShep]

At least it's timed. Instead of other games who are excusively on ps4 (looks at Bloodborne).

 

 

I personally really can't stand exclusive games.

 

Well, Sony is the publisher of Bloodborne, like it is for The Last Of Us, Gran Turismo, etc.. I don't really have a problem with games being totally exclusive to one platform. At least then things are much simpler. Besides, that's pretty much how it was back in the day with the Sega and Nintendo consoles.

 

Timed is not so bad insofar that eventually it all evens out in the end, but the worst case is having a cross-platform game be uneven indefinitely, like Destiny. Players who actually really enjoy the game and still constantly compete for better weapons are probably annoyed that only Playstation users have access to stuff they don't. I think having the entire game confined to a single platform is preferable to having a copy you paid good money for having fewer prospects to be enhanced in the future.

[Blue Gloves]

Five words I never thought I'd say: "I agree with the Kaiser" . 

 

Seriously though, When a company makes an exclusive title, it doesn't bug me unduly; it also doesn't bother me when paid subscribers get exclusive content or earlier access.  However, it really freakin' bugs me when a game that was advertised for MORE THAN A YEAR before release as available across a multitude of platforms suddenly switches gears and says "By the way, this platform is currently giving us more money, so even though you paid the same price for your pre-orded deluxe game, and even though you have been a loyal customer of our games since we became a company, you fans who use those other platforms can go hang."  It's even worse when crazy (possibly rabid) fans like myself don't even have a date to look forward to, just a vague promise of "someday". I feel bad for the folks w/ XBoxes who love Destiny, but at least with that game, we all knew from the beginning that it would basically be a SONY title.  Same with ME and Xbox- it was Xbox exclusive first, so it sucked for Playstation owners who never played ME1, but it's not like they could say "We never expected you to leave us out in the cold!"  Dragon Age though, has always been a cross-platform franchise, and I'm pretty annoyed with this exclusive crap.  I mean, come on Bioware/EA!  Your game is fantastic, but anyone whose even taken marketing 101 can tell you that early access to a single, one-time, add-on DLC with less than 10 hours of playable content is not going to suddenly spark the masses to buy a new console or subscribe to some new service.  I wonder what it is that Microsoft expects to gain out of this exactly, or if it's just hoping to be able to point to little pieces of exclusive content like this in its quarterly report and say "Our Xbox Ones still aren't selling great but look, we sold x amount of dollars on this shiny exclusive content!"

 

I'm a crazy fan-girl, but I have my principles; if I think a company is engaging in crummy consumer related practices, I won't buy their product.  I didn't buy an XBox one (even though I vastly preferred my 360 to my PS3) because I thought that Microsoft's original design and sharing/ always online policies were bogus and the foot-in-mouth back pedaling that MS did in the wake of its tsunami of criticism was not enough to make up for the fact that their original schtick convinced me that they are a bunch of poopooheads who care even less about the consumer than their competitors (and that's saying something, since I think the average electronics and entertainment company probably gives about 2 farts for me as a customer).  This timed-exclusive DLC for a game which debuted simultaneously on multiple platforms is helping to solidify in my mind the opinion which has been brewing over the last decade: EA cares even less about me as a consumer than all the other game industry labels out there, and as a result, I may pass on this DLC, which I 100% surely would have purchased the second it was available if it had come out at the same time as the Xbox 1 version.

[fusselbiene]

First, EA went for DLC that were nothing more than parts of the original game you had to pay for when you got your game second hand. I was incredibly happy to see that this policy had apparently been ditched for DA:I - and then this timed exclusive DLC was announced. I do get the concept of exlcusive titles. What I don't get is the concept of releasing exlusive DLC, which is kind of like - pardon my Monthy Python French! - farting in the general direction of part of your customers *after* they bought the game for another system (or, in some cases, bought the PS4 just to play this game...).

 

I am not too happy with EA's marketing strategies in general, but I really have to wonder what genius came up with this glorious idea. The whole Dragon Age series as well as Mass Effect and Bioware as a whole are kind of known (and loved!) for promoting inclusiveness and equality in both their games and their communication. Taking this into consideration, releasing a DLC that's available for but a part of the fanbase, no matter if it's only for a limited amount of time, is a prime example for complete failure at holistic branding.

 

But this being Bioware, it means there might be hope that this will remain . People complained about playing PC of colour and encountering whitebread parents in DA:O? Bioware listened and did things differently in DA:2. People complained about the ending of Mass Effect? Bioware tried to fix it, which is a lot more than other companies would have done in the same situations. People complained about the shoddy EA DLC policy? DA:I was handled differently and came without a code for a DLC you'd only get for free with a new game. So let's just hope that this nonsense, too, shall pass.

[Lumix19]

First, EA went for DLC that were nothing more than parts of the original game you had to pay for when you got your game second hand. I was incredibly happy to see that this policy had apparently been ditched for DA:I - and then this timed exclusive DLC was announced. I do get the concept of exlcusive titles. What I don't get is the concept of releasing exlusive DLC, which is kind of like - pardon my Monthy Python French! - farting in the general direction of part of your customers *after* they bought the game for another system (or, in some cases, bought the PS4 just to play this game...).
 
I am not too happy with EA's marketing strategies in general, but I really have to wonder what genius came up with this glorious idea. The whole Dragon Age series as well as Mass Effect and Bioware as a whole are kind of known (and loved!) for promoting inclusiveness and equality in both their games and their communication. Taking this into consideration, releasing a DLC that's available for but a part of the fanbase, no matter if it's only for a limited amount of time, is a prime example for complete failure at holistic branding.
 
But this being Bioware, it means there might be hope that this will remain . People complained about playing PC of colour and encountering whitebread parents in DA:O? Bioware listened and did things differently in DA:2. People complained about the ending of Mass Effect? Bioware tried to fix it, which is a lot more than other companies would have done in the same situations. People complained about the shoddy EA DLC policy? DA:I was handled differently and came without a code for a DLC you'd only get for free with a new game. So let's just hope that this nonsense, too, shall pass.

I'm sure it will, this is after all timed exclusivity. Sure it's annoying but I like to think patience is one of my virtues.

[fusselbiene]

I'm sure it will, this is after all timed exclusivity. Sure it's annoying but I like to think patience is one of my virtues.

 

I rather meant that I hope that future DLC will be released for all platforms at the same time again, instead of making them timed exclusives as well. I do not mind the waiting. I mind the message this sends.

[DanteYoda]

Means more money for companies and bragging rights for the console Manufacturer . Not good for consumers

Exactly and then consumers stop buying them, give it time..

[Lumix19]

I rather meant that I hope that future DLC will be released for all platforms at the same time again, instead of making them timed exclusives as well. I do not mind the waiting. I mind the message this sends.

Yes I hope so too.

[Digger1967]

Traded in my copy of DA:I today. Last time I ever buy a Bioware game. I'm a huge ME and DA fan but I simply cannot stand this timed/exclusive DLC BS. You were paid off to keep it off the PS4 for however long and you don't have the balls to announce when we can expect to see it. Or your EA overlords won't allow it as Microsoft have paid them to keep it from being spoken about.

 

Sellouts.

 

Why would anyone pay them for that?  And if your such a huge fan, why such an over the top reaction to something this innocuous?

 

The PS4 is a very different system than the Xbox One, or a PC for that matter.  The PC platform is likelly the essiest to code/design for, and probably the easiest to port to after that would be the Xbox One, since the PC's run on a microsoft OS as well.  So they did an update and rather than wait until they can port it to all platforms decided to release it for the ones they had it available for at the moment.

 

Hardly worth getting bent out of shape about, or taking so personally.  Not like they came to your house and killed your whole family.  Seriously.  Deep breath.  They'll most likely release it for other platforms soon enough. You'd be amazed at what a little patience will do for you.

[Changer the Elder]

Why would anyone pay them for that?  And if your such a huge fan, why such an over the top reaction to something this innocuous?

 

The PS4 is a very different system than the Xbox One, or a PC for that matter.  The PC platform is likelly the essiest to code/design for, and probably the easiest to port to after that would be the Xbox One, since the PC's run on a microsoft OS as well.  So they did an update and rather than wait until they can port it to all platforms decided to release it for the ones they had it available for at the moment.

 

Hardly worth getting bent out of shape about, or taking so personally.  Not like they came to your house and killed your whole family.  Seriously.  Deep breath.  They'll most likely release it for other platforms soon enough. You'd be amazed at what a little patience will do for you.

 

 

To step out of my silence to offer my two cents in reaction to your post...

 

This case, however is NOT "Everything is harder to code for than PC/XBox One"; it is "EA has an exclusive deal with Microsoft." Which is not a conspiracy theory, the deal is a known fact and has been for multiple past EA titles ("not all of them" being the caveat).

 

It is, to me at least, also not the case of having an issue with timed exclusivity per se - authors of Tomb Raider had the decency (or nerve, according to some others) to announce more than a year in advance that their game will come out for one system sooner than the other. That I can still count as a sound, even though rather unfortunate marketing strategy.

 

Here, however, we have a case of major part of the fanbase (major, not only due to sales being strongest, but also because 3 out of 5 plaforms got shilled this way, XBox 360 being one of them, which is where the argument "Microsoft is easier to code for" flies out of the window without having the decency to apologize for breaking the glass). Most of whom, rather loyal to the series/creative team, suddenly unable to shake the feeling of being screwed over.

 

The game released at equal time for ALL platforms. PS4 and XBox One owners paid EQUAL money for their copies. But suddenly, several months after the game's release, some are treated as second-rate customers, have the story spoilt via the virtues of the internet, and instead of being given a date, all they get is "We can't tell you," all because someone's big daddy paid for their kid to skip in line.

 

Let's face it. Few are gonna switch consoles for a DLC after a year of having the other. Fewer gonna buy a brand new copy of the game they already own for said console. And even less will be willing to invest another 100+ hours they have already given the game in a different save file.

 

It reeks of spiteful punishment on Microsoft's part. Players are being punished for either deciding to stick with the old generation, or going to Sony for the next one. Or for not pirating the game on PC as a backup copy. And that's the part the part where even I take offense with them.

[Maker Be Damned]

I totally agree with people who are pissed. You release a game for 5 platforms and 4 months later release DLC. The DLC better be on ALL 5 platforms. PERIOD. Either way this is EA's fault and I have already been burned by them in them in the past. I already don't buy EA games but DA:I looked awesome and I thought I'd make an execption for BioWare but sadly EA has ruined that too.

[Knights Templar]

I told every one this is what was going to happen... but BioWare Nore form members sided with me only muiltiplayer only dlc . I straight out confronted bioware about xbox one first and they said nothing mother  F that is BS. Not a fan of the combat yes, But a Fan of the story yes. And i told people this is going to happen but no one cared. This is just a major F U to gamers that play on any platform. The simple fact they ignored me shows they don't care about gamers. I asked what the time frame on the DLC was and nothing from bioware, Gamers first my ass.

 

 

I did ask when the game was coming out when the time frame for other platforms DLC would come out and they said nothing at all. They didn't want to miss sells on all platform by saying one had timed dlc first SOBs$$$!!!!

 

 

Expect nothing else from BioWare!

 

PS: All platforms Should get the same games and dlc at the same time siding with one side or the other shows how little you value your game..... Think about that!!!!

[KaiserShep]

If the agreement made on the timed exclusivity bars them from giving away any key information, like the time of release for other platforms, then they're obligated not to give it to you.

[Changer the Elder]

If the agreement made on the timed exclusivity bars them from giving away any key information, like the time of release for other platforms, then they're obligated not to give it to you.

 

I am fully aware that is indeed the case (however, the wording some representatives used in the mentioned "we can't tell you" was rather unfortunate and should be avoided in the future). I'm questioning not their intellingence for not telling us/not being able to forego more information, but I severely doubt the mental capacity of the person/people who thought agreeing to such a deal is a good idea.

 

I mean, the PS4 version alone far outsold PC and XBox One combined, to be willing to pretty much flip the bird at a royal percentage of your customers ("Screwed over" owners being 2.17 million people, which is 66% of the overall buypower behind Inqusition, not counting second hand sales, trade-ins and digital copies), you either have to be mighty stupid, or the buck behind the deal has to be mighty fine.