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[Patient.Zero]

In my first play through I didn't cure Cullen because I wanted to see what the consequences would be (in retrospect I could have just watched a youtube video but alas...) It was kind of a hard choice because I feel like if I did have a friend who is struggling with addiction I would definitely try to help but my curiosity got the best of me. I ended up telling him that I would help him out after we dealt with Corypheus and during the celebration at the end of the game I had the special dialogue option which is something along the lines of "I made you a promise" and he basically says "thanks mate but lets just enjoy the party right now" but after the credit rolls and the final cutscene plays you can't talk to anyone anymore so what happens? 

 

Have I a ruined a fictional man's life? >_<

[Killdren88]

Hopefully a painful miserable existence either way.... but that's just me.

[Precursor Meta]

Well the symptoms of lyrium addicts vary. Some loose there memory or some go mad with power craving. Personally, I picture Cullen in an abandoned alleyway trembling as he's trying to drink his last vile of lyrium.

A sad destination for a once great commander.

[Red Panda]

He pulls a Samson. (aka DA2, not biblical Samson)

[Patient.Zero]

Killdren88:

Why would you want that for him? Am I missing something? 

 

Precursor Meta:

...I - I don't even know how to respond to that I'm just sad now.

 

Cullen wasn't the coolest of characters but I went out of my way to be friends with all of my advisors and party members, and if I was given the option to promise help after Corypheus is dealt with, I would like to be able to follow through with that promise. I don't want to see my friend trembling in an alleyway 

[Killdren88]

Killdren88:

Why would you want that for him? Am I missing something? 

 

 

Haven't been a fan of Cullen since DA:O, and his continued relevance in the series annoys me to no end.

[NextGenCowboy]

He's going to fall off the wagon eventually anyway, the pull's simply too strong. I mean, the man has the constitution of a bull, but after the events of Origins, his mind isn't right anyway. The habit's too hard to kick when it's that engrained in you. I'm sure you bought him some time helping, but either way, he's ending up in an alleyway, in some nobles' dungeon (mind in tatters), or leading an army of rogue Templars. A sad end for a once proud man.

 

You did make it worse though, so shame on you.

[Forsythia77]

Y'all are a bunch of negative Nancies!  I'd like to think that with the help and love my my inquisitor he beats his habit.  Or the craving is at least tempered to something liveable.  Just because we don't have any accounts of anyone beating a lyrium addiction doesn't mean that there are not former templars out there who have! That's my head canon and I'm sticking with it.

[NextGenCowboy]

Sorry, projecting weaknesses onto poor Cullen. His hair's fantastic, if nothing else, so help him out!

[Killdren88]

Sorry, projecting weaknesses onto poor Cullen. His hair's fantastic, if nothing else, so help him out!

 

I'd rather not. Far more amusing to see the opposite. Plus his hair is stupid, and odds are the addiction will render him bald.

[Red Panda]

So, he can't be Samson II?

[zambingo]

I was hoping Cullen would die valiantly in the Arbor Wilds. Not that I dislike him, not that I like him either. Cullen is just there. His death might have been a defining moment for him and might have added a touch of poignancy to the battle.

[Paragonslustre]

He kicks the habit giving hope to Templars everywhere that there is a better way   And then finds solace in the DrinkQuisition.

[Iakus]

Cullen ends up being an example for other Templars, many of whom stop taking lyrium as well.  If you encourage Cassandra to rebuild the Seekers, these become the core of the reformed order.

 

As for Cullen himself, can't say.  As you noticed, we don't get to talk to him anymore after the game.

[willum69]

Like most addicts, Cullen will replace one addiction with another - he is already showing signs of a gambling problem

[Patient.Zero]

Ok so things I've learned:

 

1. You can either cure Cullen, not cure him, or promise to cure him later and never get around to it therefore not curing him... *le sigh* alright then. 

 

2. There are quite a few people who don't like the Commander because he is (as Sera likes to put it) a "big jackboot" which I'm going to assume means rigid and boring. 

 

3. Lyrium addictions are a hard thing to kick, but if you are anyone but Cullen you get to be a seeker at the end of your struggles 

 

4. Red pandas like Samson. 

[QueenCrow]

Great question!  I've been wondering about this too, though I have consistently chosen to make him kick lyrium.  As others have speculated, he could stay off of it, or not.

 

On a related side note, does anyone wish to take a guess at how one might use this? - 

 

[NextGenCowboy]

Remember, Lyrium is technically a metalic substance (I imagine much like Mercury, depending on how it reacts to air). If it's hardened, you scrape it out with the tools, then you put it into the spoon, ostensibly to heat it up, it's probably got a melting point/point where its potency drops, so you want to stay under that. For reference, we'll say 110 degree Fahrenheit. You put it into the satchel-looking thing, diluting it with water/whatever and you drink it.

 

That, or the tools are used for breaking the thing open, then burning, then putting into the satchel, then drinking. Realistically, the satchel could be used to cook up doses for later as well, so you're not messing with it in the middle of battles.

 

In short, draw, scrape, cook, dilute/fill satchel, drink. Draw, cook, scrape, dilute/fill, drink.

 

Not too dissimilar from certain other setups. Someone did a bit of homework for this, either up front, or on the back end.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

Hopefully he'll be dead by the next game....... choice and consequences!

[PlasmaCheese]

I thought it was funny that Cullen had a "junkie kit". And is that Andraste in it? Messed up, lol.

I have a question. Is it ever made clear HOW Templars...*use* Lyrium? Do they just drink it or snort it or...? I remember in Asunder, Lord Seeker gave Evangeline a vial of lyrium. Samson was begging for "dwarf dust" (but he could always liquify it later), and those look like vials around Cullen's kit.

[Patient.Zero]

Originally I thought one would take lyrium as one would take blue sky but the spoon is wooden so I not sure how they would "cook" it. Maybe the whole thing is just needlessly convoluted so he can't get access to it super quick. 

[thedancingdruid]

I have a question. Is it ever made clear HOW Templars...*use* Lyrium? Do they just drink it or snort it or...?

 

In Champions of the Just, Ser Barris seems to have ingested it. It looked a lot like a dry ice cocktail, like 22 oz ale size not shot glass size.

 

 

Ok so things I've learned:

 

1. You can either cure Cullen, not cure him, or promise to cure him later and never get around to it therefore not curing him... *le sigh* alright then.

 

He asks for your help, well, at least your understanding. This is something he has chosen. It is something he wants to do. He's been off lyrium, at this point, for a few months. My Inquisitor's will offer their full support, romanced or not. I will not be the catalyst that encourages the addiction, I will be the friend he needs to help him through it.

[Chuvvy]

 

Something like that I'd guess.

[NextGenCowboy]

I thought it was funny that Cullen had a "junkie kit". And is that Andraste in it? Messed up, lol.

I have a question. Is it ever made clear HOW Templars...*use* Lyrium? Do they just drink it or snort it or...? I remember in Asunder, Lord Seeker gave Evangeline a vial of lyrium. Samson was begging for "dwarf dust" (but he could always liquify it later), and those look like vials around Cullen's kit.

 

First, I'm liking this because someone actually used the word kit before me. Kudos.

 

Second, I never read Asunder. It's always talked about as dust, at least in most context, but there are lyrium potions as well. I assume it comes in a lot of forms. The vials look like liquids, but maybe it's just glowing dust, or maybe mercury consistency. The spoon's cracked, which signifies it's either been heated, it's beat up, or it's been scraped a lot.

 

The tools don't make perfect sense for the job, and as was said, Champion's seems to imply it's drunk, as does some of the other stuff in Inquisition. That said, if it's dust, intranasal would be the ideal way to ingest lyrium. I'm sure I'm overthinking this.

 

Lastly, yes, it's very messed up that Andraste is on his kit. Then again, I've seen nice ones with ladies on them, but they're usually adorned on the outside. I like Cullen, a lot, always have. As someone that's dealt with people suffering addiction, this was also one of my favorite quest lines in the series.

 

Edit: Maybe it starts as dust, has to liquified, then diluted into a larger cup (the big goblet). That would explain the tools, and the spoon's for mixing the drink.

[Toasted Llama]

I thought it was funny that Cullen had a "junkie kit". And is that Andraste in it? Messed up, lol.

I have a question. Is it ever made clear HOW Templars...*use* Lyrium? Do they just drink it or snort it or...? I remember in Asunder, Lord Seeker gave Evangeline a vial of lyrium. Samson was begging for "dwarf dust" (but he could always liquify it later), and those look like vials around Cullen's kit.

In DA:O you drink it




As for Cullen's fate.... If he doesn't succumb then he must wear one hell of a speshul snowflaek Plotticus Demandsiticus Armour.

Not that I would mind either of the results, I like him in DA:I but there's still some lingering hate from his a*shat attitude in DA:O and DA2 (jumping ship at the very last moment because "OOPS MEREDITH IS A STATUE NOW" doesn't redeem him at all)