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[Fireheart]

Don't you drink lyrium? Cullen drinks it near the end of the scene where you tell him he should keep taking it.

And whether he is still taking lyrium or not, I believe it effects the epilogue. But it's only relevant if you sided with the Templars, whether allying or disbanding them. This choice is present in the Keep, so who knows, we might see a conclusion to it in the next game.

[Killdren88]

Hopefully he'll be dead by the next game....... choice and consequences!

We can dream....

[Chardonney]

I'd like to think that with the help and love my my inquisitor he beats his habit.  Or the craving is at least tempered to something liveable.  Just because we don't have any accounts of anyone beating a lyrium addiction doesn't mean that there are not former templars out there who have! That's my head canon and I'm sticking with it.

 

100% this.

[NextGenCowboy]

If anyone can pull Cullen out of the depths of despair it's gotta be his love. Even in a world as craptastic as Thedas, love can sometimes overcome addiction, so stick with it anyone who rolls a female Inquis, and stands by his side in that way! You may be his only hope from all these people that want to see him dead.

[Patient.Zero]

He asks for your help, well, at least your understanding. This is something he has chosen. It is something he wants to do. He's been off lyrium, at this point, for a few months. My Inquisitor's will offer their full support, romanced or not. I will not be the catalyst that encourages the addiction, I will be the friend he needs to help him through it.

 

When he comes to you about his addiction isn't that you can encourage and help him to continue not taking lyrium, tell him that he should keeping talking the lyrium because he's a templar and thats what tempers do, or you can tell him that this is an inopportune time to be going thorough something so difficult and once things calm down the both of you can work thorough it. I opted for the latter.  

 

(skip to 6:40) 

[Patient.Zero]

Do you have to be in a romance with him or something?

[NextGenCowboy]

No, but to be fair, you wouldn't have shunned him in his time of need if you were romancing him, would you? I just wanted to give hope to all the girls and guys that stuck by him, even with his baggage. You could definitely help him out, purely platonic, bromance, or at the very least, as a friend, or superior in the Inquisition, but you didn't, because you're heartless, and you hate stylish hair =p

[berelinde]

The DA2 codex entry for Orichalcum says that like lyrium it's a liquid, water-miscible metal, so I'm guessing that if somebody ever managed to find pure lyrium, it would form pools. You'd need to dilute it with some other liquid to drink it, though. But the fun thing about metals is that they form crystalline salts (like you see in the vials). Some metal salts are freely soluble in water, others aren't, but if Cullen is getting his lyrium in crystalline form, that explains the grinder that looks like a pepper mill.

 

Can you guess that I'm a chemist IRL?

[Patient.Zero]

No, but to be fair, you wouldn't have shunned him in his time of need if you were romancing him, would you? I just wanted to give hope to all the girls and guys that stuck by him, even with his baggage. You could definitely help him out, purely platonic, bromance, or at the very least, as a friend, or superior in the Inquisition, but you didn't, because you're heartless, and you hate stylish hair =p

 

[o Ventus]

He sinks into a drug-addled depression, gets kicked out of the Inquisition due to his lyrium problem, and becomes a prostitute so he can continue to pay for lyrium. In a few years time, he is later found dead in a sewage drain in Denerim, surrounded by empty vials and lyrium powder.

 

Next time you let Cullen continue to take lyrium, consider the consequences.

[NextGenCowboy]

The DA2 codex entry for Orichalcum says that like lyrium it's a liquid, water-miscible metal, so I'm guessing that if somebody ever managed to find pure lyrium, it would form pools. You'd need to dilute it with some other liquid to drink it, though. But the fun thing about metals is that they form crystalline salts (like you see in the vials). Some metal salts are freely soluble in water, others aren't, but if Cullen is getting his lyrium in crystalline form, that explains the grinder that looks like a pepper mill.

 

Can you guess that I'm a chemist IRL?

 

Thanks for the information, excellent breakdown.

 

I was close, but a bit off. That said, I'm rather glad I didn't use real numbers when posting.

[Thane4Ever]

If you help him kick it, the ending tiles say that his ability to quit lyrium inspires other Templars to do the same (paraphrasing). I'm not sure what it says if you tell him to keep taking it. IMO that implies that he was successful.

[Patient.Zero]

Thank you Thanw4Ever, but what I'm confused about isn't the epilogue. It's the fact that I had the option to have Cullen keep taking lyrium "for now" with a promise that I would get to help him out later, at the end of the game though I don't get to do that and I'm wondering why.

[Bethgael]

Given Cole's comments on lyrium's properties and how it fills the Templar with something else (than magic), along with Bianca's realisation that it is in fact, not a mineral as everyone thought, but is indeed alive--as well as its apparent relationship to "The Stone"--I reckon (without going into huge detail regarding my train of thought from A to F right now because I'm supposed to be working) that Templars would be able to be cured of lyrium addiction by a mage--or at the very least, that the pain can be reduced to a tolerable level.

 

Whether the individual Templar wants to be helped in that way is another question, altogether. They may end up being dependent on the mage, instead.

[NextGenCowboy]

Adraste's granny panties! I never even thought about that. Poor Cullen is in the alleyway trying to get his fix right now, and it's made of people! Or at the very least, a living entity, like condensed spirit, or fade essence or something. Damn, poor dood.

[Nefla]

Cullen not being cured of his addiction is the same kind of false and slanderous rumor as "The young templar Cullen never quite recovered from his ordeal. After months of attempting to convince his superiors that the tower was still a danger, he finally snapped and killed three apprentices before being stopped by his fellow templars. Eventually, Cullen escaped from prison, a madman and a threat to any mage he encountered"

[Daris]

I'd read that scene with the Inquisitor offering to help out Cullen later and him brushing them off in the end as him failing to overcome his addiction. He's come quite far at the point when he starts taking Lyrium again, then he relapses and by the time the final battle with Corypheus comes along, he's addicted again and doesn't have the mental strength to go through the withdrawal process again. He knows that he's failed once, he knows how much he suffered and he's given up.

[stop_him]

Dayum, lots of Cullen-hate. But whatevs. Different strokes for different folks. My own personal headcanon for Cullen and his lady elf is boundless bubbles of happiness and babies. Meanwhile, I headcanon that Sera gets crucified to serve as a warning to all other elves to not be so  annoying. 

[Shelidon]

Lastly, yes, it's very messed up that Andraste is on his kit.

I thought it obvious that this was the kit the Chantry gave to his templars. That's why you have Andraste on it. That's why it is super creepy.

[NextGenCowboy]

I get why it has her on it. The thing is, many long-time addicts, or people even farther into the depths of addiction, junkies, actually do carry around kits. It's not uncommon at all. Many are set up pretty much the same as that, for a long-time addict, it's got the tools of their trade. That's what makes it messed up and, as you said, super creepy.

 

As someone that's dealt with a lot of people in similar situations, I've seen things that look pretty much like that, metal instead of wood, female/religious figured embossed/carved onto the outside instead inside. .

[KaiserShep]

Cullen not being cured of his addiction is the same kind of false and slanderous rumor as "The young templar Cullen never quite recovered from his ordeal. After months of attempting to convince his superiors that the tower was still a danger, he finally snapped and killed three apprentices before being stopped by his fellow templars. Eventually, Cullen escaped from prison, a madman and a threat to any mage he encountered"

 

Lol, how do you get this epilogue slide? Never once have I gotten something about Cullen.

[Patient.Zero]

I'd read that scene with the Inquisitor offering to help out Cullen later and him brushing them off in the end as him failing to overcome his addiction. He's come quite far at the point when he starts taking Lyrium again, then he relapses and by the time the final battle with Corypheus comes along, he's addicted again and doesn't have the mental strength to go through the withdrawal process again. He knows that he's failed once, he knows how much he suffered and he's given up.

 

Ah, maybe that's it. Quite sad, but I can choose differently in all my next playthroughs my curiosity has be sated. 

[Archdemon_Urthemiel]

Lol, how do you get this epilogue slide? Never once have I gotten something about Cullen.

I think you get it if you save the circle and choose he Mage boon in origins

[MelissaGT]

No, but to be fair, you wouldn't have shunned him in his time of need if you were romancing him, would you? I just wanted to give hope to all the girls and guys that stuck by him, even with his baggage. You could definitely help him out, purely platonic, bromance, or at the very least, as a friend, or superior in the Inquisition, but you didn't, because you're heartless, and you hate stylish hair =p

 

I don't think asking him to stay on lyrium til you can find a better way is shunning him, even for an IQ who is romancing him. My IQ is a Templar herself, and saw his suffering. She asked him to take the lyrium because she didn't want him risking his life. I've gotten some flack for my opinion on the matter, but that's my canon playthrough. If you'd like to see it, I have vids posted in my sig (not quite done with the playthrough, but am finished with most of the lyrium stuff). A Templar IQ romancing a Cullen still on lyrium is a great playthrough, very angsty and heart-wrenching. Totally love it.

 

I think a lot of folks forget that when Cullen stays off the stuff, it's not all sunshine and rainbows. You see him suffering in one scene, but he does mention that he still has constant nightmares, headaches, and the pain "comes and goes." After that sweet battlements scene where he says he's ok, it's not over for him. For all we know, he could get worse. I hope Bioware will show more of what happens in a DLC or something. Wouldn't it be a lovely kick in the pants if asking him to stay on lyrium was actually the "right" choice?

[Toasted Llama]

I don't think asking him to stay on lyrium til you can find a better way is shunning him, even for an IQ who is romancing him. My IQ is a Templar herself, and saw his suffering. She asked him to take the lyrium because she didn't want him risking his life. I've gotten some flack for my opinion on the matter, but that's my canon playthrough. If you'd like to see it, I have vids posted in my sig (not quite done with the playthrough, but am finished with most of the lyrium stuff). A Templar IQ romancing a Cullen still on lyrium is a great playthrough, very angsty and heart-wrenching. Totally love it.

 

I think a lot of folks forget that when Cullen stays off the stuff, it's not all sunshine and rainbows. You see him suffering in one scene, but he does mention that he still has constant nightmares, headaches, and the pain "comes and goes." After that sweet battlements scene where he says he's ok, it's not over for him. For all we know, he could get worse. I hope Bioware will show more of what happens in a DLC or something. Wouldn't it be a lovely kick in the pants if asking him to stay on lyrium was actually the "right" choice?

So basically, romancing Cullen will either lead in angst and heartwrench by:

- he feels bad for taking lyrium again and he's still addicted to something... weird
- he feels bad because andraste's flaming knicker weasels, the nightmares!

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Oh joy!

I don't know why but with all the drama I find Cullen living up to his Twilight-esque name