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[Grieving Natashina]

Honestly?  If the devs were really that sadistic, I would let Varric leave.  I usually play an archer and I have Sera around.  And he's my #1 favorite BioWare character of all time.  It's more than just revenge, it's more about justice.   Bianca decided to put the entire Inquisition in danger in order for her to lock a door.  She could have put her friends in the Merchant's Guild in danger of red lyrium madness, but she took the Inquisitor and her supposed love with her. She knew what red lyrium does to people, and yet she still didn't bother to lock the door until she came crawling for help.  So she put Varric, the Inquisitor and the entire fate of the Inquisition in jeopardy because she couldn't live with the guilt.   The threat was simply the icing on the cake.   Bianca acted like a child after the Breach appeared, a very dangerous one at that.   If Varric left after that, then I wouldn't be upset.  In fact, my favorite dwarf would be much safer in Kirkwall than in Skyhold.  

 

Besides, it's very unlikely that the Inquisitor would ever see her again.  My headcanon is that, after Varric goes home to Kirkwall, my character will kill Bianca if she ever catches her in southern Thedas.

[Hellion Rex]

 

 

 For betraying Varric, since she was so quick to threaten me.

Hmmmmm, so is it more because she "betrayed" Varric then?

[KaiserShep]

Anders isn't scum, but all right. Presumably Sebastian knew he'd lose and decided to try again with an army at his back.

I dunno. I'd consider anyone who decided to just blow up a building and kill innocent people to be scum, which is why he never gets to live. In any case, with the Templars standing right there ready to go medieval on everyone's asses, it's the perfect opportunity to just stick an arrow between his eyes and leave.

 

 

There's a nonzero chance that Varric would outright attack you. And if not, he'd definitely leave the Inquisition. How far do you really want to go for revenge?

 

If Varric knows what's good for him, he wouldn't dare try. Personally, if the option to discipline Bianca causes a falling out with him, I say it makes for a fun story. If Varric tries to attack, well then I guess two dwarves die that day. Sera's my main archer anyway, so his skills won't be missed

[LPPrince]

well we can kill Fiona and Briala so that 2/3 annoying characters I wanted to be rid of

 

Hahahaha

 

Fiona's alive for me, I think I ended up with Celene on top(heyo) so Briala's probably out.

 

One out of the three you dislike in my case, hahaha. I don't mind them.

[Grieving Natashina]

Hmmmmm, so is it more because she "betrayed" Varric then?

She put the world in danger by taking Varric, the man is supposedly loves, as well as the only person in the world that can seal the rifts with her to lock the door.  No bodyguards from the Merchant's Guild?  No hired hands?  Nope, she decided that the Inquisition could play bodyguard for her.  And that's all my character was doing, was bodyguarding this little mary sue brat.  She could have locked the door on her own like a big girl with some bodyguards, and then wrote Varric a letter.  Just her showing up at Skyhold was dangerous; the Inquisition has enough would-be assassins running around without this spoiled child bringing them around.   She only took responsibility for her actions after she had no choice.  Even then, she acts like "See, the door's shut, everything is fine now."  Even Varric chews her out, stating that she can't just make this problem go away.

 

So, she needed the Inquisitor for one reason as far as I'm concerned: She wanted to confess her guilt before the Inquisitor found out about it.  She lied to Varric about where she was going; she lied to the Inquisitor and again...took months to lock up the door.  If she had locked as soon as possible after the Conclave, I wouldn't be angry.  As it is, Bianca used the Inquisition to cover for her mistakes, and put all of them in danger of red lyrium madness.

[Steelcan]

I was very disappointed after that mission, I expect better from Serana tbh

[Xilizhra]

I dunno. I'd consider anyone who decided to just blow up a building and kill innocent people to be scum, which is why he never gets to live. In any case, with the Templars standing right there ready to go medieval on everyone's asses, it's the perfect opportunity to just stick an arrow between his eyes and leave.

The templars in the vicinity have all been killed off by that point. You'd have to attack Hawke's ally, and I think Anders would be willing to defend himself from someone who wasn't Hawke. As for scum definitions, I think that Anders is too complex to be reduced to that, and in any case, I still need his help.

[WildOrchid]

She put the world in danger by taking Varric, the man is supposedly loves, as well as the only person in the world that can seal the rifts with her to lock the door.  No bodyguards from the Merchant's Guild?  No hired hands?  Nope, she decided that the Inquisition could play bodyguard for her.  And that's all my character was doing, was bodyguarding this little mary sue brat.  She could have locked the door on her own like a big girl with some bodyguards, and then wrote Varric a letter.  Just her showing up at Skyhold was dangerous; the Inquisition has enough would-be assassins running around without this spoiled child bringing them around.   She only took responsibility for her actions after she had no choice.  Even then, she acts like "See, the door's shut, everything is fine now."  Even Varric chews her out, stating that she can't just make this problem go away.

 

So, she needed the Inquisitor for one reason as far as I'm concerned: She wanted to confess her guilt before the Inquisitor found out about it.  She lied to Varric about where she was going; she lied to the Inquisitor and again...took months to lock up the door.  If she had locked as soon as possible after the Conclave, I wouldn't be angry.  As it is, Bianca used the Inquisition to cover for her mistakes, and put all of them in danger of red lyrium madness.

 

To be fair, the Inquisitor is in danger all the time. Every mission they do, is dangerous. Every companion quest is dangerous.

 

But yes, agreed. The writing was just bad, they should've handled Bianca better. It's quite sad because i was excited to see her. :/

[Ynqve]

She put the world in danger by taking Varric, the man is supposedly loves, as well as the only person in the world that can seal the rifts with her to lock the door.  No bodyguards from the Merchant's Guild?  No hired hands?  Nope, she decided that the Inquisition could play bodyguard for her.  And that's all my character was doing, was bodyguarding this little mary sue brat.  She could have locked the door on her own like a big girl with some bodyguards, and then wrote Varric a letter.  Just her showing up at Skyhold was dangerous; the Inquisition has enough would-be assassins running around without this spoiled child bringing them around.   She only took responsibility for her actions after she had no choice.  Even then, she acts like "See, the door's shut, everything is fine now."  Even Varric chews her out, stating that she can't just make this problem go away.

 

So, she needed the Inquisitor for one reason as far as I'm concerned: She wanted to confess her guilt before the Inquisitor found out about it.  She lied to Varric about where she was going; she lied to the Inquisitor and again...took months to lock up the door.  If she had locked as soon as possible after the Conclave, I wouldn't be angry.  As it is, Bianca used the Inquisition to cover for her mistakes, and put all of them in danger of red lyrium madness.

 

I never got why she even showed up at Skyhold. She should have the resources to lock the door, if she's that valuable to the Merchant's guild then you'd think that they'd supply her with some decent bodyguards. And it's clear that she doesn't want the Inquisitor and Varric to know what she's done, why the hell would she bring them there then? 

 

And she's such a ****** to Varric! She's supposed to be his twu wuv but she's perfectly fine with letting him feel guilty over the red lyrium. The guy is so hard on himself during the game, he's convinced that everything that's happened with Cory is his fault. But in reality, the worst thing he did was to confide in the woman he loves. And she doesn't even care enough to tell him that she's screwed up, instead she goes out of her way to cover her ass. 

 

Bianca might not have known that she was giving the lyrium to Corypheus. She probably did make an honest mistake. But she knew the risks, she knew what happened to Bartrand and Meredith, and she knew how scared Varric was of the stuff. He confided in her and she completely broke his trust. Her curiosity was more important than anything else.  

[KaiserShep]

It'd be pretty funny that if you were able to pass judgment and decide Bianca's fate, you got to make a snarky comment to Varric.

 

Inquisitor: Maybe we can think of a new name for your crossbow. How about Miranda?

 

VARRIC GREATLY DISAPPROVES

[Killdren88]

I am under the impression that people dislike her because she is the reason Varric is unromanceable.

[KaiserShep]

I am under the impression that people dislike her because she is the reason Varric is unromanceable.

 

I like to look at it as she's the reason that everyone in Thedas is unromanceable to Varric.

[Ynqve]

I am under the impression that people dislike her because she is the reason Varric is unromanceable.

 

Perhaps it is to some. But speaking as vocal former Varricmancer, I made my peace with his unromancable status long ago. We had months before release to accept it. Most people I know did come to terms with it, and quite a few of us don't want to romance him anymore. 

 

Bianca is a shitty character with a plot armor thicker than a decapitated Leliana's. That's why people dislike her.

[dragonflight288]

I personally have no issue with Bianca at all. I don't hold her as accountable for the problems with Red Templars, the Breach and other things as some of the posters apparently do in this thread that I've read. 

 

If she's responsible for all the bad things because she wanted to get a Grey Warden to help her understand the stuff because she found out it's tainted, then Varric is equally responsible for being the one to tell her.

 

Bianca simply has the rotten luck of approaching, or being approached by the Grey Warden Corypheus was possessing. And she does try to make up for her mistake by sealing the route upon realizing what happened. 

 

I don't think Bianca built Bianca. It was built by that one Carta Dwarf in DA2 Legacy, but she may have contributed to its construction and was who it was named for. 

[congokong]

Honestly?  If the devs were really that sadistic, I would let Varric leave.  I usually play an archer and I have Sera around.  And he's my #1 favorite BioWare character of all time.  It's more than just revenge, it's more about justice.   Bianca decided to put the entire Inquisition in danger in order for her to lock a door.  She could have put her friends in the Merchant's Guild in danger of red lyrium madness, but she took the Inquisitor and her supposed love with her. She knew what red lyrium does to people, and yet she still didn't bother to lock the door until she came crawling for help.  So she put Varric, the Inquisitor and the entire fate of the Inquisition in jeopardy because she couldn't live with the guilt.   The threat was simply the icing on the cake.   Bianca acted like a child after the Breach appeared, a very dangerous one at that.   If Varric left after that, then I wouldn't be upset.  In fact, my favorite dwarf would be much safer in Kirkwall than in Skyhold.  

 

Besides, it's very unlikely that the Inquisitor would ever see her again.  My headcanon is that, after Varric goes home to Kirkwall, my character will kill Bianca if she ever catches her in southern Thedas.

The more I read this thread the more I grow to hate Bianca. It'd be cool if the Inquisitor could kill both Varric's best friend (Hawke) and lost love.

[dragonflight288]

The more I read this thread the more I grow to hate Bianca. It'd be cool if the Inquisitor could kill both Varric's best friend (Hawke) and lost love.

 

Why not kill Varric while you're at it? 

[Iakus]

She put the world in danger by taking Varric, the man is supposedly loves, as well as the only person in the world that can seal the rifts with her to lock the door.  No bodyguards from the Merchant's Guild?  No hired hands?  Nope, she decided that the Inquisition could play bodyguard for her.  And that's all my character was doing, was bodyguarding this little mary sue brat.  She could have locked the door on her own like a big girl with some bodyguards, and then wrote Varric a letter.  Just her showing up at Skyhold was dangerous; the Inquisition has enough would-be assassins running around without this spoiled child bringing them around.   She only took responsibility for her actions after she had no choice.  Even then, she acts like "See, the door's shut, everything is fine now."  Even Varric chews her out, stating that she can't just make this problem go away.

 

So, she needed the Inquisitor for one reason as far as I'm concerned: She wanted to confess her guilt before the Inquisitor found out about it.  She lied to Varric about where she was going; she lied to the Inquisitor and again...took months to lock up the door.  If she had locked as soon as possible after the Conclave, I wouldn't be angry.  As it is, Bianca used the Inquisition to cover for her mistakes, and put all of them in danger of red lyrium madness.

Bianca screwed up, and yeah, lied about it.  But she did what she could to make things right.

 

I mean, Inquisition playing bodyguard?  There are War Table missions that are way more menial.  And hired bodyguards would just mean more people knowing about this route to Red Lyrium.  The Inquisition has far more "need to know" bout this than random dwarf goons.  Not to mention random dwarf goons don't know the risks of red lyrium.  The Inquisition does, and can take precautions.

 

Besides which, there are darkspawn, carta, and I believe Red Templars running around there.  Might be a little much for Bianca on her own, even with bodyguards.

 

   Showing up in Skyhold is a risk, yeah, but comparatively mild.  It's got an army and intelligence network to rival any nation.  Skyhold can handle a few assassins.  And the information she has, even with details left out, is something that needs to be kept secure.  Not put to paper.  Too many people know already.

 

Yeah, Bianca was foolish to reveal the existence of red lyrium.  Granted she had no way of knowing the Grey Warden mage she was talking to was Corypheus, but she still should have cleared telling anyone about it with Varric.  Dumb move.

 

Also, she concealed how Corypheus found out about the red lyrium.  Dumb move #2.  Not to mention unnecessary. save to try and hold onto her pride.  But we find out anyway.  So much for that idea. 

[Mykel54]

My main problem with Bianca (the dwarf) is that she tries so hard to look badass and funny, basically, she tries to be the coolest npc in the mission at the expense of everyone - at some point, even the player. At the ending she threatens the inquisitor, which is fine, but you can´t talk back to her or anything.

 

She reminds me a lot of Tallis from DA2 dlc, so she shall be dubbed "Tianca T´soni", in honor of other snowflakes.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I don't hate Bianca. Wish we had her as the Dwarven companion rather than the scumbag known as Varric. 

[Xilizhra]

I don't hate Bianca. Wish we had her as the Dwarven companion rather than the scumbag known as Varric. 

Why's Varric a scumbag?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Why's Varric a scumbag?

Well, he is responsible for everything Bianca is being blamed for and more, he lies about Hawke's disappearance, and he acts like a dick to various characters when it's not called for, and his whole way of dealing with things seems slimy and shady. 

[Xilizhra]

Well, he is responsible for everything Bianca is being blamed for and more, he lies about Hawke's disappearance, and he acts like a dick to various characters when it's not called for, and his whole way of dealing with things seems slimy and shady. 

A dick to whom, when?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

A dick to whom, when?

The followers and various NPCs. 

During banters. 

[Xilizhra]

The followers and various NPCs. 

During banters. 

Have you specific examples? Pretty much everything he says to Cassandra is justified... the "Sparkler" thing might be a bit mean to Dorian, but he doesn't really mind... I do disagree with him in his arguments with Solas about the dwarves, but that's not really him being mean. What am I missing?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Have you specific examples? Pretty much everything he says to Cassandra is justified... the "Sparkler" thing might be a bit mean to Dorian, but he doesn't really mind... I do disagree with him in his arguments with Solas about the dwarves, but that's not really him being mean. What am I missing?

I'll listen through the dialogue again and post a few. That said I disagree about everything he does to Cassandra as being justified. Him being a dick when she try to comfort him about Kirkwall comes to mind. When someone is trying to be nice, you don't respond like Varric did even if you don't like them.