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[Shadow Fox]

Think of Cassandra like Mass Effect's spectres. Only the council indirectly watches them. In Cassandra's case it was Divine Justinia. They're expected to act responsibly with their authority.

 

She can kidnap, and even kill, people in order to achieve her objective. The kidnapping may have been necessary to get information. Since she's a good person she'd not murder someone in cold blood. Once you get to know her it's obvious she was merely trying to intimidate Solas when threatening him. You don't have to be a saint to be a good person IMO.

So why is she good and Varric bad when they're both breaking/bending the law and doing questionable things to help people?

[KaiserShep]

So why is she good and Varric bad when they're both breaking/bending the law and doing questionable things to help people?

Chancellor Roderick pretty much branded her a heretical rebel.

Needless to say I and I alone will determine who is good and who is bad!

[Shadow Fox]

1. They both enjoy killing way too much.

2. Oghren killed a man in a duel to first blood; all over a comment about Branka.

3. I don't believe there are truly ethical mercenaries. You kill for whoever pays you. That very premise is unethical.

The Qunari Inquisitor is flat out said to be one and Bull makes it pretty clear he won't harm innocents if he can help it.

[silencekills]

1. They both enjoy killing way too much.

2. Oghren killed a man in a duel to first blood.

3. I don't believe there are truly ethical mercenaries. You kill for whoever pays you. That very premise is unethical.

 

 

What? But:

 

You don't have to be a saint to be a good person IMO.

 

Sides:

Number 1 ain't bad if you're not going around killing everyone willy nilly.

Number 2: Unless he was going around and doing it on purpose sober, I wouldn't call that indicative of character. I mean, that's one acciental ****-up. 

Number 3: Pretty sure Mercenaries can choose to refuse work. There's no contract saying they have to take every scrap that gets thrown to 'em.

 

 

Also, I didn't really think Cass was evil, just a total somethingIcan'tsayhere, but you've honestly convinced me I was wrong. I'm assuming justifying stuff like that would fall under 'for the greater good,' am I right?

[dragonflight288]

So why is she good and Varric bad when they're both breaking/bending the law and doing questionable things to help people?

 

I think the point being made is this.

 

One is acting with the authority of the Chantry and a world spiritual leader behind her, with authority to act in such a manner recognized by kings and queens, and the other is a guy who hangs out in a bar with an organized crime ring (the carta.)

 

They're both "morally good" but one is "Lawful Good" compared to Varric's "Neutral Good." Varric is part of the Dwarven Merchant's Guild and has several legitimate business investments thanks to Bartrand, and is a best-selling novelist, but his work with the carta makes him a criminal. 

 

The big difference between them is that Cassandra has a recognized power supporting her and Varric has his friendship with the Champion and economic pull, but no political entity supporting him. 

 

Thus his actions are criminal whereas Cassandra's are lawful based on one fact only. A recognized authority sanctioning their actions. 

 

A Shepard who acted like a Specter without being one would be a criminal, but with Council backing is a defender of the galaxy. Which is why that Turian CSec guy hates Specters because they can act above the law. 

[Xilizhra]

I don't think Cassandra is a good person. I'd peg her as lawful neutral.

[Hair Serious Business]

no clue myself I never read book...seems our Lady WhineQuisiton(owner of that thread) is one that has read book so she knows what relationship is between them though from what I could gather of these few pages I read in there was that actually Varric kinda left Bianca in book and that he hasn't heard from her again...in game it goes opposite.

Looks like BW made their own version of Bianca from what I see.

Well "Lady WhineQuisition" can confirm that Bianca in game has nothing to do with Bianca from comics she read 

[Pierce Miller]

Anytime someone threatens the main character I would like the option to karate chop them on the clavicle 

[LOLandStuff]

"Yes, I'll try to keep your boyfriend alive from the mess you helped create."

[KaiserShep]

I don't think Cassandra is a good person. I'd peg her as lawful neutral.

 

I'm curious as to what makers her a bad person.

[Steelcan]

I'm curious as to what makers her a bad person.

being Andrastian I'm sure

[Han Shot First]

Has Cassandra ever committed any evil acts? 

[LOLandStuff]

Has Cassandra ever committed any evil acts? 

 

Doesn't matter, she's an Andrastian shemlen. Pure dag nasty evil right there.

[LobselVith8]

I'm curious as to what makers her a bad person.

 

Xil said neutral, not bad. Xil may view Cassandra as someone who is honorable and reliable without being a zealot, which would explain why she said she views her as 'Lawful Neutral'. Cassandra does seem to believe in a personal code that she lives by, given how she stayed true to Divine Justinia instead of defecting with the other Seekers, and she did defy the Chantry by creating the Inquisition.

[congokong]

So why is she good and Varric bad when they're both breaking/bending the law and doing questionable things to help people?

1. Cassandra isn't breaking/bending the law if she's legally allowed to do what she does as a seeker/right hand of the divine.

2. What Cassandra does is intended to help protect the people rather than personal profit.

 

The Qunari Inquisitor is flat out said to be one and Bull makes it pretty clear he won't harm innocents if he can help it.

Did I ever claim the qunari inquisitor's background made them a good person? I've always role-played to an extent the fact that qunari/dwaves acting extremely moral would be out of character given their background.

[congokong]

I think the point being made is this.

 

One is acting with the authority of the Chantry and a world spiritual leader behind her, with authority to act in such a manner recognized by kings and queens, and the other is a guy who hangs out in a bar with an organized crime ring (the carta.)

 

They're both "morally good" but one is "Lawful Good" compared to Varric's "Neutral Good." Varric is part of the Dwarven Merchant's Guild and has several legitimate business investments thanks to Bartrand, and is a best-selling novelist, but his work with the carta makes him a criminal. 

 

The big difference between them is that Cassandra has a recognized power supporting her and Varric has his friendship with the Champion and economic pull, but no political entity supporting him. 

 

Thus his actions are criminal whereas Cassandra's are lawful based on one fact only. A recognized authority sanctioning their actions. 

 

A Shepard who acted like a Specter without being one would be a criminal, but with Council backing is a defender of the galaxy. Which is why that Turian CSec guy hates Specters because they can act above the law. 

Your point would only be truly valid if Varric's criminal actions were under the same motivation as Cassandra's: protecting the people. That would then make him a vigilante. I can see your point being made to compare Sera to Cassandra, but not Varric. Varric's criminal activities are for personal gain; hence the organized crime associations. That's how I define him as a "bad person" by modern standards.

[Kulyok]

Has Cassandra ever committed any evil acts? 

 

Sure, she said they went and looked at Kirkwall abuse of mages and found templars' actions(random Tranquil-ings, for example) justified. That was either a serious character design oversight, or Meredith bias, or Cassandra was a monster.

[ModernAcademic]

Hm.

[Nhadalie]

I don't hate her. Dislike strongly, yes. Varric deserves better. It's very selfish the way that she hasn't let go of him. And while love is selfish in some ways, if she really loved him she would let him go. She's married, whether she likes it or not. And can't really do much about it without causing a ton of trouble. She's basically been stringing him along, and I think after the quest Varric is starting to realize it. He doesn't seem nearly as fond of her as she is of him at the end.

 

So maybe we'll manage to get Varric to move on with his life eventually.

[Rekkampum]

The Qunari Inquisitor is flat out said to be one and Bull makes it pretty clear he won't harm innocents if he can help it.

 

Actually, it's more along the lines of "I won't fight you if you don't bother me".

[Shadow Fox]

I'm curious as to what makers her a bad person.

She doesn't want to tear the Chantry down and isn't a bleeding heart for mages?

[dragonflight288]

Your point would only be truly valid if Varric's criminal actions were under the same motivation as Cassandra's: protecting the people. That would then make him a vigilante. I can see your point being made to compare Sera to Cassandra, but not Varric. Varric's criminal activities are for personal gain; hence the organized crime associations. That's how I define him as a "bad person" by modern standards.

 

Varric doesn't necessarily use the Carta strictly for profit. 

 

Varric: Daisy, for my sake you need to stop going through those back alleys!

 

Merrill: Why? I've gone through them many times and nothing's happened.

 

Varric: And that "nothing" is costing me a fortune.

[Rekkampum]

You can love sidequests that many find to be stupid and a waste of the Inquisitor's time if you want.

 

People like Leliana aren't even in your party during quests; not that she could stop me.. DA:O had tons of options to kill people for no good reason. There's actually some reason to kill Bianca but the poor role-playing, and Bianca's plot armor, left the pc a mute as she walked away scot-free.

 

And lastly, I could never be such a bleeding heart that I'd spare Calpernia after all the damage she caused.

 

Leliana was the Left Hand. She doesn't have to be in your party to keep tabs on you with her extensive network of intelligence. You keep mentioning DA:O but that was a more personal story than Inquisition is. You may find something she did totally inadvertently without knowing the consequences as worthy of death, but given that it was Corypheus impersonating someone else it's easy to see that the situation is more nuanced than that.

 

Also, I'm not a "bleeding heart". I'm a pragmatist.

[riverbanks]

I'm curious as to what makers her a bad person.

 

Knowing Xil, anyone who is not a radical Chantry-hating mage rights freedom fighter is automatically not a good person.