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[Mordokai]

Stability bonus is OK. I was talking about damage bonus. It's not THAT much higher than any other character has to make a difference between weapons being viable and not viable as a main source of damage. Cabal has 37.5% damage bonus, most other characters have 22.5%, so 15% difference. It's OK, it will add up over 10 minutes of shooting, but it's nothing like bonuses that Marksman / Tactical Cloak / Adrenaline Rush give.

 

Jeeyzus Crajst dude... so what you're saying no kit without Marksman / Tactical Cloak / Adrenaline Rush is worth playing? Despite having some of the most powerful passive bonuses in entire game?

 

Are you even listening to yourself? Because right now, I'm starting to lean in with people who consider you a troll.

[LuckyStarr]

so what you're saying no kit without Marksman / Tactical Cloak / Adrenaline Rush is worth playing? Despite having some of the most powerful passive bonuses in entire game?

No, I never said that. Apparently, you've lost the context of the conversation. What I said is that even though Cabal is a Turian and has the Turian passives, it is a  mediocre character if you only keep your range and shoot an assault rifle.

[Chealec]

Stability bonus is OK. I was talking about damage bonus. It's not THAT much higher than any other character has to make a difference between weapons being viable and not viable as a main source of damage. Cabal has 37.5% damage bonus, most other characters have 22.5%, so 15% difference. It's OK, it will add up over 10 minutes of shooting, but it's nothing like bonuses that Marksman / Tactical Cloak / Adrenaline Rush give.

 

Why would it be? Those are whole other powers - you can't expect a single passive tree to match a passive tree + an additional power.

 

What you're basically saying is that weapons builds are only viable on certain soldiers and infiltrators..?!

[Chealec]

No, I never said that. Apparently, you've lost the context of the conversation. What I said is that even though Cabal is a Turian and has the Turian passives, it is a  mediocre character if you only keep your range and shoot an assault rifle.

 

Ah - that I'll buy

 

Maybe not mediocre but definitely sub-optimal... but hey, I do quite a few sub-optimal kits!

[GruntKitterhand]

Cabal is very difficult to play off host if there is lag, when you hit the biotic focus for shied restore/boost you are already dead.

 

Agreed.  Skipping Poison Strike completely is probably the best option if you genuinely never or hardly ever host.  I can't tell you how many times I mashed the PS button to no avail until I just decided it wasn't worth it. It misses so much even when it does 'work' that it becomes little more than an emergency escape, which her dodge manages reasonably well instead.

 

That's a pity, because on-host PS is always worth at least 4 ranks. Without it though, you can have a reasonably heavy loadout, spam Biotic Focus and make the most of her very enjoyable, unique melee. I played a few games yesterday, re-speccing maybe 3 times (the joy of not needing credits for URs means I can just buy VPs until I get more respec cards), and honestly couldn't decide which of the rank 6 versions of Biotic Focus suited me best.  Both are awesome.

 

Despite LuckyStarr's continued trolling, the Cabal might be one of the strongest, most versatile characters in the game.  If you host.  And I have yet to try the Javelin trick with her, which will be a laugh I'm sure.

[LuckyStarr]

What you're basically saying is that weapons builds are only viable on certain soldiers and infiltrators..?!

I'm saying that weapons-only builds, with no damage multipliers, are only worth it on soldiers and infiltrators, yes. By damage multipliers I mean any debuffing abilities like Warp, Tac Scan, Snap Freeze etc..

[7twozero]

I stand corrected on the popularity 6a I guess! Till now I've usually seen people advocating 6b. Still doesn't restore shield gate though, wonder whether they intended it that way or not.

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

Stability bonus is OK. I was talking about damage bonus. It's not THAT much higher than any other character has to make a difference between weapons being viable and not viable as a main source of damage. Cabal has 37.5% damage bonus, most other characters have 22.5%, so 15% difference. It's OK, it will add up over 10 minutes of shooting, but it's nothing like bonuses that Marksman / Tactical Cloak / Adrenaline Rush give.

If we're adducing powers as well, then you'd have to compare MM (say) with shooting with Nightshade Blades and then pumping the target full of Warp ammo.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Cabal is a very map-dependent kit in my experience, which is why I hardly ever play as her. Almost everything I run is U/U/P so something reliable is pretty much necessary. On the other hand, I mostly play on-host, so those deficiencies would be offset by being able to move about the map more easily.

[NuclearTech76]

Why would the defensive bubble (without Warp) detonate anything?

Two aspects to bubble assuming you take warp. 

 

A level one bubble will detonate anything primed whether it be incendiary or biotic, etc upon deployment. To reprime though you need the warp effect. 

[NuclearTech76]

I'm saying that weapons-only builds, with no damage multipliers, are only worth it on soldiers and infiltrators, yes. By damage multipliers I mean any debuffing abilities like Warp, Tac Scan, Snap Freeze etc..

If you really consider it any biotic with a priming power and decent passives can be a weapons platform with warp ammo. IE Drell Adept or Awakened Collector.

[LuckyStarr]

If you really consider it any biotic with a priming power and decent passives can be a weapons platform with warp ammo. IE Drell Adept or Awakened Collector.

Hence the clarification: no debuffing abilities - or, rather, no need for them (e. g. AIU has one but doesn't need it).

[Creator Limbs]

alright guys, seriously

 

[NuclearTech76]

alright guys, seriously

 

Congrats you got awarded one point. 

 

Whoever reported you is a sissy.

[Creator Limbs]

I may have chosen to call my reporter a pussy, but the sentiment is there.

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

alright guys, seriously

 

 

Only a single point?

 

Get on my level, scrub!  

[Creator Limbs]

i have several points. You're missing THE point though, and that is that some wuss reported me for calling them retarded.

 

CUTE.

[smeckie]

i have several points. You're missing THE point though, and that is that some wuss reported me for calling them retarded.

CUTE.

Yea we've got little crybaby's here.

[Aetika]

i have several points. You're missing THE point though, and that is that some wuss reported me for calling them retarded.

 

CUTE.

 

It wouldn´t be such stretch to guess who it was, though

[smeckie]

It wouldn´t be such stretch to guess who it was, though

Exactly my thought. I seemed to have shamed our last crybaby from the forums.

[Terminator Force]

my havoc has been stabbed by phantoms mid melee

 

Lag has already dismissed that claim.

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

You're missing THE point though, ....

No. That much was obvious.

[Teabaggin Krogan]

alright guys, seriously

Damn why do I always miss out on the fun stuff!

[DaemionMoadrin]

alright guys, seriously

 

 

Honestly, I knew this would happen the moment I saw your post. When you got quiet over the weekend, I assumed you got suspended on top of getting a warning. ^^

You might find this interesting: http://forum.bioware...ing-post-decay/

[Deerber]

Honestly, I knew this would happen the moment I saw your post. When you got quiet over the weekend, I assumed you got suspended on top of getting a warning. ^^

You might find this interesting: http://forum.bioware...ing-post-decay/

 

Lol. Summing that thread up in a few words: moderation around here totally and completely sucks ass.