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[DemiserofD]

Getting back on topic...

Cabals biggest issue is her lack of armor-breaking powers. She is, as everyone can attest, insanely maneuverable and very stable. But without the ability to take down armor her potential is severely limited. However, she does have one massive advantage; with Poison Strike specced for double strike, she has one of the fastest detonation powers available in the game. Take incindiary ammo, and you can get about 2 detonations per 2 seconds, plus fairly significant damage from the strike itself. Plus stagger, plus DR, Plus it freezes unprotected enemies.

Honestly the stagger's some of the best part though. Phantoms are so hilariously easy to kill.

But yeah, gotta host that biznatch. 

 

EDIT: Honestly, poison strike's not even that bad as far as damage is concerned. It does about the same about of damage to armor as incinerate does, except it also does that much damage to all damage types. It has a larger AoE, as well. The tradeoff being, of course, that you've gotta be in their face to do it properly.

 

Further Edit: Upon consideration of my playstyle, I think part of my problem(such as it is) is my insistence on using a pistol. A silly decision, considering she's absurdly tanky and will be within 5m of her target at all times. A Hurricane would be a far better choice; at that range, missing would not be a problem, it would allow for rapid proccing of effects, and would do a ridiculous amount of damage. Furthermore, it would allow for the use of an AP weapon mod, significantly increasing damage against armored targets. This is what I've decided I'll be using.

[LaughingBanana]

I don't usually spec grenade abilities, if ever (unless it's a stimpack and not actual grenades. Obviously, it's hard to pass on stimpacks). I'm sure so do many others. Ever tried replenishing grenades on Gold?.. Good luck with that, esp. if there's more than 1 grenade user on the team. I see speccing grenades as a waste of skill points.

 

I've played (and keep playing) AIU more than any other character, and I've tried different shotguns. Reegar is the best by far. It kills at least 3 times faster than Raider. Raider is pretty meh, especially without any accuracy bonuses. If you're playing AIU with anything other than Reegar, you're doing it wrong.

 

1. Grenade using kits are very strong. Replenishing grenades on Gold is usually not an issue if you know how to ration your grenades instead of using them for every enemy that you find moving on your crosshair. Drell Adept, for instance, is very powerful despite his relative frailty, and his Area Reave + Cluster Grenade combo is one of the best skills in clearing groups of enemies--for mooks, Reave + Hurricane (Warp Ammo of course) or stuff like Acolyte + Pull + Reave is very effective. Other grenade using character that everyone loves is the Batarian Soldier with his Inferno Grenades: exceptionally useful at clearing armored enemies in particular or groups. "I see speccing grenades as a waste of skill points" is, well, your opinion, but I honestly see it as, sorry to say, foolish.

 

2. The 2nd bolded: hahahaha. AIU with Reegar is indeed powerful, but to say that not using her with a Reegar is "doing it wrong" is really laughable. Reegar has many shortcomings: for example it is pretty much useless at medium/long range (whereas Crusader works wonders, Claymore as well <it's surprisingly very accurate at long range>, and even Raider with Stabilizer Mod equipped is very good at medium/long range, surprisingly, something that Reegar can only dream of. Reegar users need to be very close to the enemies, and it can be hard to gauge actually *how* close, while users of Claymore or Raider most of the times need not worry too much about it. Reegar also has ammo problems: it is pretty much a guarantee that you'll be making more trips to the ammo boxes when you are using Reegar compared to when you use Raider, which on level 10 unmodded with anything gives you a whooping 40 ammo on its own (even somehow Claymore with its 18 feels less "**** I need to go the ammo box now" than Reegar).

 

Again, AIU + Reegar is indeed powerful; very much so indeed, but to say other Shotguns are "wrong" with her is such a silly thing to say. Also, saying "Raider is pretty meh, especially without any accuracy bonuses" is like saying "Reegar is meh without armor piercing mods." And honestly, I take insult to whoever say Raider is "pretty meh"

[Creator Limbs]

Honestly, I knew this would happen the moment I saw your post. When you got quiet over the weekend, I assumed you got suspended on top of getting a warning. ^^

You might find this interesting: http://forum.bioware...ing-post-decay/

 

Oh no, I wasn't suspended. You see, I go quiet over the weekend because I have better stuff to do than post here :')

 

I only post here on the afternoons on the weekdays because I've literally finished everything I can do at work and there is nothing to do between lunch and going home for the day.

[Marksmad is waving goodbye]

I go quiet over the weekend because I have better stuff to do than post here :')

I totally believe that you have a real life in which you are popular and active and socially involved, and that you are not just another nerd with glasses who spends all their time in front of their computer. The slightest soupçon, the tiniest sliver of doubt never once, not even once, crossed my mind.

 

Totally believe you.

 

Totally.

[Creator Limbs]

I totally believe that you have a real life in which you are popular and active and socially involved, and that you are not just another nerd with glasses who spends all their time in front of their computer. The slightest soupçon, the tiniest sliver of doubt never once, not even once, crossed my mind.
 
Totally believe you.
 
Totally.

I am a nerd with glasses and I do spend 5 days a week in front of the computer. It's part of my job.

[DaemionMoadrin]

I am a nerd with glasses and I do spend 5 days a week in front of the computer. It's part of my job.

 

Yup, same here. I try to decrease the time I spend doing that at home but as we can clearly see, I fail at this.

[Terminator Force]

Shadow Electric Slash spammers without tac-cloak is pretty bad. Just told one guy over the mic this because I knew he could hear me since he always made noise everytime he'd get sync-killed. At first it was like he didn't wan't to listen to me, as if what do I know, but eventually seen him finally use tac-cloak first. So one less bad Shadow player, many more to go...

[Dunmer of Redoran]

I am a nerd with glasses and I do spend 5 days a week in front of the computer. It's part of my job.

 

Pretty much the same here. As of late, I have some time off. So what am I doing? Wasting my time with Mass Effect and The Elder Scrolls, like today:

 

*boots up ME3*

 

"Alright."

 

*plays really really laggy game with 2 AIUs*

 

"This blows. I'm playing Skyrim."

 

*boots up Skyrim*

 

"Yeah!"

 

*follower glitches out trying to get on horse; corpse of a bear gets up and runs in place*

 

"Ewwwww."

 

*boots up ME3*

 

Rinse and repeat.

[LuckyStarr]

saying "Raider is pretty meh, especially without any accuracy bonuses" is like saying "Reegar is meh without armor piercing mods."

Except Reggar is still OK without AP mods. Besides, any character can put AP mod on a shotgun, but not every character has a stability bonus.

As for Reegar AIU debate, I have no problem staying within range from enemies (AIU is fast, and you can always add Adrenaline mod - it's not like she needs any other armor mod, anyway). If you don't have Reegar, you're gimping your team by not doing as much damage as you could otherwise.

Starving on ammo can be annoying, but AIU is fast and she's busy running around the map non-stop anyway, so replenishing is not a hindrance.

 

P. S. Raider is meh. I'm happy I've got my 140k XP with it for the challenge and won't have to use it again in the near future.

[Mordokai]

P. S. Raider is meh.

 

You're entitled to your opinion. But don't go around presenting it as a fact. That kinda rustles my jimmies.

[LuckyStarr]

You're entitled to your opinion. But don't go around presenting it as a fact. That kinda rustles my jimmies.

You have your opinion, I have mine. Don't see a problem. Especially since both our opinions come from first-hand experience (mine does, at least).

[ALTBOULI]

TGI's and juggys

[frank_is_crank]

Yup, same here. I try to decrease the time I spend doing that at home but as we can clearly see, I fail at this.

Funny, for me it's the opposite. I try to decrease the time I spend doing that at work. But I fail, as well.

[Deerber]

Raider is so meh:

https://youtu.be/6ZQpEkh4sSM

[Terminator Force]

Except Reggar is still OK without AP mods. Besides, any character can put AP mod on a shotgun, but not every character has a stability bonus.

 

That's the beauty of Shotguns. You never have to scope them in to get the accuracy boost. Hip-fire every shoot and the recoil will be much more manageable.

 

Wish I could say the same thing about the Talon Pistol. Why I prefer it on Turians with Gear & Consumable help if I want a scope on it with headshot focus.

 

 

EDIT - something like the Graal is an exception. Not sure what else, but you should get in the habbit of testing all weapons against a wall to see the difference between scoped and hip-fired shots for all weapons until you get a better idea for all weapons.

 

EDIT2 -  and trust me. You'll fall in love with the Raider one day. Same thing happened to me, so it will happen to you too. So don't worry. It'll happen and you'll praise the Raider to new pugs as I'm doing with you right now.

[LuckyStarr]

Raider is so meh:

https://youtu.be/6ZQpEkh4sSM

Maybe the proxy mine helps, I don't know. I wasn't using it when I was trying out Raider Tsol. But that was either Bronze or Silver, and I still didn't like the setup.

My latest experience is Raider Cabal. It's OK - Poison Strike through enemy, turn around, unload Raider, repeat. It works, but it doesn't kill anywhere near as fast as any of my favorite classes (Harrier HSol / TGI, Saber or ADAS Quarksman, Reegar AIU, weaponless Fury / Valkyrie, Flamer Vorcha Sentinel / Soldier, to name a few).

 

 

EDIT2 -  and trust me. You'll fall in love with the Raider one day. Same thing happened to me, so it will happen to you too. So don't worry. It'll happen and you'll praise the Raider to new pugs as I'm doing with you right now.

We shall see, but I doubt. I feel no love for shotguns in general. Too heavy, too low on damage. I suspect I'll just arm my Cabal with Reegar and it'll be better than Raider in every way.

[Mordokai]

Maybe the proxy mine helps, I don't know. I wasn't using it when I was trying out Raider Tsol. But that was either Bronze or Silver, and I still didn't like the setup.

 

Raider Tsol soloing platinum.

 

Raider Valkyrie soloing platinum.

 

Raider Valkyrie rocking UUG.

[Chealec]

Raider is so meh:

https://youtu.be/6ZQpEkh4sSM

 

I'm not sure any video of Sy7ar using any weapon is proof that that weapon is good...

 

Raider is good but still.

[Deerber]

Maybe the proxy mine helps, I don't know. I wasn't using it when I was trying out Raider Tsol. But that was either Bronze or Silver, and I still didn't like the setup.

I'm not saying that you should like it the first time you play it, no matter what. I'm just trying to underline that if you don't like it, it's something that has got to do with you, your skills, your experience. Cause the gun, by itself, can be awesome, when used right (I.e: on something that has accuracy bonuses or a way to close to the enemies *fast*).

[Deerber]

I'm not sure any video of Sy7ar using any weapon is proof that that weapon is good...

Raider is good but still.

Eh, I know, lol. I was just trying to show what it can do in skilled hands. I might link a duo I made with kislitsin quite a while ago, both raider tsol, if you consider that more... Human XD

[LuckyStarr]

Cause the gun, by itself, can be awesome, when used right (I.e: on something that has accuracy bonuses or a way to close to the enemies *fast*).

Cabal, though. Always up close, has Turian passives, still has low-ish damage. Not terrible, but nothing like in the videos linked above either.

I can see how Warp IV Raider can work on Valkyrie, though. Speaking of which, warp ammo does increased damage to anything that's caught in the AF bubble, right? No need to use Warp / Dark Channel?

[Chealec]

Eh, I know, lol. I was just trying to show what it can do in skilled hands. I might link a duo I made with kislitsin quite a while ago, both raider tsol, if you consider that more... Human XD

 

Hehe - might not be a bad idea; I played with Sy7ar a couple of times back in the day - really nice guy but man he made me look like a total scrub

[Deerber]

Cabal, though. Always up close, has Turian passives, still has low-ish damage. Not terrible, but nothing like in the videos linked above either.

I can see how Warp IV Raider can work on Valkyrie, though. Speaking of which, warp ammo does increased damage to anything that's caught in the AF bubble, right? No need to use Warp / Dark Channel?

 

Well. I have used the Raider on the Cabal in the past, and while it's good, it's not overly so, I'll agree. The problem, I think, is that when I say close, I mean *very* close. Like, in-yo-face close. The raider without accuracy bonuses is inaccurate enough to miss a good portion of the pellets even from 3-4 meters away, which is the distance the Cabal usually is, at least the way I play her. To really appreciate the full potential of the gun, you should either use it on a marksman kit - which turns it into a scopeless sniper rifle (litterally), or on a vanguard. Charge, unload the two shots, then hide the reload with a CD-less power (read: grenade). Stop a moment and admire the destruction you just caused. I love it on the Drellguard, myself.

 

As for warp ammo, yes, it does increased damage to anything primed for a BE, so anything caught in your AF until you detonate the BE. When you do, you need to prime again to get the increased damage - whether you do it by getting back and in again or by just waiting for AF to reprime is irrelevant.

 

Hehe - might not be a bad idea; I played with Sy7ar a couple of times back in the day - really nice guy but man he made me look like a total scrub

 

He, I played some games with him too, back in the days, and yeah, he was a great player. I remember him complimenting my claymore FQE which made me go all     I have also always loved his videos, even more so than his gameplay, if possible XD

 

I also might happen to have outscored his incendiary reegar AIU once, but don't go around saying that!

 

Anyway, I'll try to find a link to that duo and post it when I can

[JGDD]

Cause the gun, by itself, can be awesome, when used right (I.e: on something that has accuracy bonuses or a way to close to the enemies *fast*).

If the gun was awesome by itself it wouldn't need accuracy bonuses or kits that closed in fast. Just saying it's kind of contradictory when you have to specify the caveats.

 

Raider is OK in the context you mention. Though I'd opt for a few others as better all around weapons.

[Dunmer of Redoran]

Maybe the proxy mine helps, I don't know. I wasn't using it when I was trying out Raider Tsol. But that was either Bronze or Silver, and I still didn't like the setup.
My latest experience is Raider Cabal. It's OK - Poison Strike through enemy, turn around, unload Raider, repeat. It works, but it doesn't kill anywhere near as fast as any of my favorite classes (Harrier HSol / TGI, Saber or ADAS Quarksman, Reegar AIU, weaponless Fury / Valkyrie, Flamer Vorcha Sentinel / Soldier, to name a few).


We shall see, but I doubt. I feel no love for shotguns in general. Too heavy, too low on damage. I suspect I'll just arm my Cabal with Reegar and it'll be better than Raider in every way.

If all you care about is raw dps, just play the ****** Talon and throw mines at every damned thing.

You're entitled to do that, but you're missing the point of the game, which is to be able to harness the MP's diversity, try out many unique builds and load outs and use all of them effectively.