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I beg to differ on that front; I've played Warcraft 2 on the PS1.

 

Gamepads are great for beat-em-ups or hack-n-slash but pretty hopeless compared to the accuracy of mouse aiming for TPS/FPS games ... and as soon as you get some kind of complexity in a game such as an RTS or a 4X game, a gamepad just doesn't cut it. That's before you even start looking at the hardware demands of games like Total War.

 

So I mostly game on the PC but I've also got a PS3 because Gran Turismo, racing char, big screen TV and home theatre system. Though I guess I could probably do away with that, get a small factor PC in the living room and Project Cars on Steam now; I could even get an XBOX controller for it.

 

Most of the advantages of a console are now gone - you switch it on, you wait for the system update, reboot, you put the game in, wait for that to update, restart the game - wait for it to load... may as well be on the PC at least the games load faster; the days of the "just switch it on and play" console are long dead.

 

+1 for Total War and Gran Turismo.

 

Both great franchises though tbh Total War hasn't been terribly interesting since Empire came out and was a colossal disappointment. Yes, Shogun 2 was phenomenal and I love it, but Rome 2 tarnished whatever Shogun 2 did to revitalize the franchise.

 

The best one is M2TW, just for sheer moddability. You haven't played a Total War till you've played Stainless Steel.



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Most of the advantages of a console are now gone - you switch it on, you wait for the system update, reboot, you put the game in, wait for that to update, restart the game - wait for it to load... may as well be on the PC at least the games load faster; the days of the "just switch it on and play" console are long dead.

 

That's really not my experience.  My PS3 does all that stuff automatically while I'm asleep.  Yeah, the loading times are longer but that suits my playstyle as I'm usually refilling or rolling something while I wait.   :D

 

On a daily basis I will consider chucking my PC out the window or taking a sledgehammer to it maybe half a dozen times.  By comparison, Collector freeze or frame loss is nothing. Nothing!



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My PS4, as I type this and am at work, is at home in rest mode. If anything needs to get updated, it checks automatically and updates it.

 

When I get home, I'm free to play as long as I'd like.



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I'm gonna have to disagree with you here, once you've enough practise with the controller, the sensitivity difference in Fps games is not too high. Sure mouse is gonna give you slightly better sensitivity and you can do a 180 turn much faster but other than that, there's not much else. 

Also other than the in game loading times the overall time for pick up and play is much less on console though it's just my personal experience. 

 

Heh - you do not wanna know how high I have the sensitivity set on my 6400Dpi Razor Deathadder mouse :D

 

 

 

That's really not my experience.  My PS3 does all that stuff automatically while I'm asleep.  Yeah, the loading times are longer but that suits my playstyle as I'm usually refilling or rolling something while I wait.   :D

 

On a daily basis I will consider chucking my PC out the window or taking a sledgehammer to it maybe half a dozen times.  By comparison, Collector freeze or frame loss is nothing. Nothing!

 

I think my PC is scared of me since I built it... it tends to behave itself quite well :)


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Folks using the big TV excuse is not an excuse. I have my PC hooked up to both monitor & 50" TV. It all comes down to gamepads and the other unpleasant things about PC gaming (install, compatibility, pcs always needing to be fixed/taken care of, etc). If these things don't get in the way, I'm able to play on PC. As most of my PC tera bites are wasted on videogames rom images for every emulator out there and whatever PC game interests me that has gamepad support.

 

I beg to differ on that front; I've played Warcraft 2 on the PS1.

 

Gamepads are great for beat-em-ups or hack-n-slash but pretty hopeless compared to the accuracy of mouse aiming for TPS/FPS games ... and as soon as you get some kind of complexity in a game such as an RTS or a 4X game, a gamepad just doesn't cut it. That's before you even start looking at the hardware demands of games like Total War.

 

So I mostly game on the PC but I've also got a PS3 because Gran Turismo, racing char, big screen TV and home theatre system. Though I guess I could probably do away with that, get a small factor PC in the living room and Project Cars on Steam now; I could even get an XBOX controller for it.

 

Most of the advantages of a console are now gone - you switch it on, you wait for the system update, reboot, you put the game in, wait for that to update, restart the game - wait for it to load... may as well be on the PC at least the games load faster; the days of the "just switch it on and play" console are long dead.

 

The thing is things don't ever have to be too complex. It ruins the pacing of a game. My fave SRPG is the Shining Force series. Deep SRPG without the BS complexity to bog things down.

 

And since I'm a  gamer from the NES days and still play any game from that era up to the present, there are way, way too many more games I can't ever imagine playing with a keyboard & mouse. And everything works & should work on a gamepad, So why stick with something that's only works with a handful of game instead of something that works with all games?

 

You should also see the amount of gamepads, arcade sticks & racing wheels I have for all consoles and my PC. Gamepads, and proper ones at that too, are that vital to my gaming enjoyment. So my mind is always on this, and always has.

 

 

Sure aiming with a mouse is much easier, but that also is the problem as it also robs a game out of it's fun. Best example I can use is NES Duck Hunt. Playing with a mouse is like playing Duck Hunt with the lightgun up against the TV, while with a gamepad it feels like I'm actually aiming instead of touching the enemy point & click feeling. I can also use a racing example. Playing a racing game with a mouse feels like I'm moving a toy car in the palm of my hand. While with a gamepad or race wheel, it feels more like I'm driving it from the inside. Why do you think folks get Steering Wheels or DualTank Arcade stick for some games instead of just gamepad? To better immerse yourself in. Same deal. There no immersion in mouse and key. Might as well be playing boring browser point and click game.

 

 

Now this next point might offend, but's it's honestly how I believe it to be (so not saying it as fact or that it's true). I honestly believe more casuals game with mouse & key, while the more dedicated gamer will invest in better gamepads & keep searching for better ones if playing on PC, hook it up to play on a TV in stead of monitor, part themselves on a comfortable bed/couch/etc., and so on. Why I believe this? Because that's the way I am. 



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+1 for Total War and Gran Turismo.

 

Both great franchises though tbh Total War hasn't been terribly interesting since Empire came out and was a colossal disappointment. Yes, Shogun 2 was phenomenal and I love it, but Rome 2 tarnished whatever Shogun 2 did to revitalize the franchise.

 

The best one is M2TW, just for sheer moddability. You haven't played a Total War till you've played Stainless Steel.

 

I quite like Rome 2 now it's been patched a bit and Atilla is meant to fix a lot of "issues" that people have had with the gameplay (though I'm too busy mucking about in Cities Skylines at the moment)... naval battles still feel a bit "also-ran" though.

 

But yeah, I fear the series may have peaked with M2TW and the original RTW - both of which I love.



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I quite like Rome 2 now it's been patched a bit and Atilla is meant to fix a lot of "issues" that people have had with the gameplay (though I'm too busy mucking about in Cities Skylines at the moment)... naval battles still feel a bit "also-ran" though.

 

But yeah, I fear the series may have peaked with M2TW and the original RTW - both of which I love.

 

The best thing to happen to Rome 2, IMO, was the officially-endorsed mod that added the RTW soundtrack to Rome 2. It was badly needed. Total War with no Jeff van Dyck would be like The Elder Scrolls with no Jeremy Soule or Mass Effect with no Jack Wall or Sam Hulick.

 

Total War's biggest problem has been and will be the Warscape Engine. It's terribly buggy, not easy to mod with, and the animations never look very good at all. The Creative Assembly should try something new, because they can definitely make something better and the TW games would benefit tremendously if they did.



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And since I'm a  gamer from the NES days and still play any game from that era up to the present, there are way, way too many more games I can't ever imagine playing with a keyboard & mouse. And everything works & should work on a gamepad, So why stick with something that's only works with a handful of game instead of something that works with all games?

 

You should also see the amount of gamepads, arcade sticks & racing wheels I have for all consoles and my PC. Gamepads, and proper ones at that too, are that vital to my gaming enjoyment. So my mind is always on this, and always has.

 

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Sure aiming with a mouse is much easier, but that also is the problem as it also robs a game out of it's fun. Best example I can use is NES Duck Hunt. Playing with a mouse is like playing Duck Hunt with the lightgun up against the TV, while with a gamepad it feels like I'm actually aiming instead of touching the enemy point & click feeling. I can also use a racing example. Playing a racing game with a mouse feels like I'm moving a toy car in the palm of my hand. While with a gamepad or race wheel, it feels more like I'm driving it from the inside. Why do you think folks get Steering Wheels or DualTank Arcade stick for some games instead of just gamepad? To better immerse yourself in. Same deal. There no immersion in mouse and key. Might as well be playing boring browser point and click game.

 

 

Now this next point might offend, but's it's honestly how I believe it to be (so not saying it as fact or that it's true). I honestly believe more casuals game with mouse & key, while the more dedicated gamer will invest in better gamepads & keep searching for better ones if playing on PC, hook it up to play on a TV in stead of monitor, part themselves on a comfortable bed/couch/etc., and so on. Why I believe this? Because that's the way I am. 

 

Acorn Electron and BBC model B here - then later Sega Master System ... Megadrive ... Amiga ... PC. Yes, I've been a gamer since Elite in 1984.

 

For the types of games I play though, mostly RTS, 4X and grand strategy and FPS game then I'll take mouse/keyboard; so for me that works for far more games than a gamepad.

 

 

I completely fail to understand the aiming analogy; I get much more enjoyment out of mouse control twitch play in shooters than I ever get on a gamepad... laboriously lining up the headshot in what seems to take months - I've almost giving up shooting things in The Last of Us (yeah, still playing through that slowly) because it's more effective to just run at people and grapple them to death.

 

Though I totally agree with steering wheels, hence why I have one, with pedals and a racing chair just for Gran Turismo... but it's just a USB device, I could use it with Project Cars on the PC if I wanted.

 

 

And yes, there are more casuals on PC - even more on tablets and mobile phones - PopCap and King.com worked out there's a FAR bigger market for that stuff than "hardcore" gamers years ago and it's all mouse or touchscreen.

 

I'd hardly class myself as a casual gamer though ( ~ 100 games in my Steam library alone then add in uPlay, Origin, Battle.net, gog and even some old games still on disk ) and I still prefer mouse/keyboard on most of the games I play - the exceptions being flight/spaceship sims for which I have a joystick (PC), and racing games for which I have a wheel/pedals and a chair (PS3); the odd other games I play on PS3 like Dark Souls, GTA or Infamous actually work better on a controller I'd imagine (driving in LA Noire totally sucked on the keyboard btw but I was gifted the game on Steam and I've never gotten around to buying an XBOX controller for PC - the rest of the game was fine).


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Those were just my thoughts. Enjoyed reading your perspective too.



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The question should be: Why would I want to get the PC game?  I'll lose my manifest (which is not maxed), I'll either have to get myself used to using a new control interface (meaning sucking at the game) or spend more money on a PC console-type controller (thus losing the biggest benefit of PC gaming), and I'll have to go through all the trouble of installing a game that I'm already having a perfectly fun time playing as-is.  I see no real benefit.



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Most of the advantages of a console are now gone - you switch it on, you wait for the system update, reboot, you put the game in, wait for that to update, restart the game - wait for it to load... may as well be on the PC at least the games load faster; the days of the "just switch it on and play" console are long dead.

Yeah...no. It all happens in the background, while you sleep mostly, and automatically. The game loads faster on PC, yes, but if I feel like a quick game and the PC and console are both turned off so they have to be started cold, I'm picking the console.

 

Heh - you do not wanna know how high I have the sensitivity set on my 6400Dpi Razor Deathadder mouse :D

That's not very high anymore. My R.A.T. does OVER 8000!



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The question should be: Why would I want to get the PC game?  I'll lose my manifest (which is not maxed), I'll either have to get myself used to using a new control interface (meaning sucking at the game) or spend more money on a PC console-type controller (thus losing the biggest benefit of PC gaming), and I'll have to go through all the trouble of installing a game that I'm already having a perfectly fun time playing as-is.  I see no real benefit.

To take the question seriously:

 

+You don't lose your manifest, you just start a fresh one. Opportunities, not problems, hm? :D

+Since you already know the game mechanics, learning the new control scheme is not very hard, just takes practise.

+ME3 has no native controller support on PC, and the solutions for using one are weak level hacks.

+Installing the game is easy, although learning to love Origin less so.

 

Most happy console players of normal means will be put off by the actual costs of PC gaming. I have a fairly modest keyboard and mouse on my gaming desktop. The two of them together cost as much as my last Xbox, which came with a wireless controller and (*spit*) FIFA 2015.



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I play on console cos I can sit in my big comfy chair with my feet on the table, and be super comfy.

I know i can hook a pc to the tv and get a controller for it, but then I would just have a glorified ps3 with moar powah. That need upgrades every now and then to play the latest hot s**t smooth and crisp

And i can`t be bothered with that.

 

So I play on ps3 cos it suit my needs for gaming to the full.

 

I did start out gaming on pc, Dune II in 1992ish or something, and have played a litle on pc over the years. But most of my gaming have been on playstations(1,2,3) 

 

Guess I`m just a very casual gamer. 



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I play on console cos I can sit in my big comfy chair with my feet on the table, and be super comfy.

I know i can hook a pc to the tv and get a controller for it, but then I would just have a glorified ps3 with moar powah. That need upgrades every now and then to play the latest hot s**t smooth and crisp

And i can`t be bothered with that.

 

So I play on ps3 cos it`s suit my needs for gaming to the full.

 

I did start out gaming on pc, Dune II in 1992ish or something, and have played a litle on pc over the years. But most of my gaming have been on playstations(1,2,3) 

 

Guess I`m just a very casual gamer. 

Is that you ark ryv? 


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I play on console cos I can sit in my big comfy chair with my feet on the table, and be super comfy.

I know i can hook a pc to the tv and get a controller for it, but then I would just have a glorified ps3 with moar powah. That need upgrades every now and then to play the latest hot s**t smooth and crisp

And i can`t be bothered with that.

 

So I play on ps3 cos it suit my needs for gaming to the full.

 

I did start out gaming on pc, Dune II in 1992ish or something, and have played a litle on pc over the years. But most of my gaming have been on playstations(1,2,3) 

 

Guess I`m just a very casual gamer. 

I disagree.

 

Besides, we're all on PS4 now. Blodborne is fantastic.

 

p.s. PC gamers that have not purchased Pillars of Eternity will have their Master Race accreditation revoked.


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Besides, we're all on PS4 now. Blodborne is fantastic.

 

p.s. PC gamers that have not purchased Pillars of Eternity will have their Master Race accreditation revoked.

Bloodborne :unsure: damn you, I'm so envious! 



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To take the question seriously:

 

+You don't lose your manifest, you just start a fresh one. Opportunities, not problems, hm? :D

+Since you already know the game mechanics, learning the new control scheme is not very hard, just takes practise.

+ME3 has no native controller support on PC, and the solutions for using one are weak level hacks.

+Installing the game is easy, although learning to love Origin less so.

 

Most happy console players of normal means will be put off by the actual costs of PC gaming. I have a fairly modest keyboard and mouse on my gaming desktop. The two of them together cost as much as my last Xbox, which came with a wireless controller and (*spit*) FIFA 2015.

 

PC gaming is its own animal.

 

My rig, at this point, has cost me well over $800.


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Yeah...no. It all happens in the background, while you sleep mostly, and automatically. The game loads faster on PC, yes, but if I feel like a quick game and the PC and console are both turned off so they have to be started cold, I'm picking the console.

 

Starting from cold the PC takes longer yes but I can get my PC cranked up and be in Cities Skylines or ME3 MP quicker than I can crank up the PS3 and get into The Last of Us just because that game takes so long to load :P

 

I'm not particularly evangelical about the whole PC vs Console argument - horses for courses - but with modern consoles they are basically PCs in smaller boxes and with the exceptions of exclusives don't really have anything over a small form-factor PC in the living room (especially if you chuck an SSD in it - then boot time is negligible).

 

The WiiU being the exception as that's the console that actually promotes multi-player in the same room, on the same console, silliness; for me the greatest plus points on consoles were co-op play (Streets of Rage, Golden Axe, Rampage, Mario Cart etc) and the ability to just switch on and play instantly. Great machines for pizza, beer and some mates round... the PC fails badly at that, always has, but the PC wins greatly on long, drawn out strategy games and sims - which I play a lot of.

 

Personally I think PC gaming is better for me because of the kinds of games I prefer (ME3 is kind of an anomaly in my gaming collection with over 2500 hours in it - the next closest game is Civ V at something like 1500 hours) - your mileage may, of course, vary ;)


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p.s. PC gamers that have not purchased Pillars of Eternity will have their Master Race accreditation revoked.

 

It was only released today (according to Steam) - I'll buy it at the weekend, I promise :D



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because my pc isn't built for gaming



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PC gaming is its own animal.

 

My rig, at this point, has cost me well over $800.

 

It's definitely not for everyone. There is, for example, the very real problem of gambling on PC parts. PSUs may or may not work, and I've gotten one that was DOA and another that died after a couple of weeks. It's a headache even if everything can be refunded.

 

On the other hand, being able to play high-end and modded games that are otherwise inaccessible, as well as very old titles, is quite rewarding.



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It's definitely not for everyone. There is, for example, the very real problem of gambling on PC parts. PSUs may or may not work, and I've gotten one that was DOA and another that died after a couple of weeks. It's a headache even if everything can be refunded.

 

On the other hand, being able to play high-end and modded games that are otherwise inaccessible, as well as very old titles, is quite rewarding.

 

I've recently undertaken the task of building a PC, but since I live in Podunk USA, I order most of my parts online.

 

You guys might think it's fun to just build a PC while you're around parts.

 

Let me tell you, it's a whole new experience when you're ordering online and can't actually see what you're ordering :')


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Is that you ark ryv? 

Yes, Been a long time since we played. I never see you online anymore.


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Yes, Been a long time since we played. I never see you online anymore.

Cool. Yeah been away with college and stuff, had no time to play. Be back around Wednesday though so hopefully I'll be able to catch some games with you then :)



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Yeah that's what I meant.



Sounds like a l2p problem

not going to hack like that like lots of pc people do, it's not l2p the controller is faster for moving