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[Patient.Zero]

Flemeth could have been betrayed by both interpretations of "men" though. Whether it was the Lord or her husband that betrayed her they were both male and they were both human (or just people in general) 

[Heidirs]

Flemeth could have been betrayed by both interpretations of "men" though. Whether is was the Lord or her husband that betrayed her they were both male and they were both human (or just people in general) 

 

And the answer is... all of the above. 

 

Which leaves us a lager interpretation on what could have happened to Mythal.

[myahele]

What about the Sun "diety" that Mythal protected from Elgarnan's wrath and helped return to a semblance of his former glory?

 

Other than that legend nothing else is mentioned about him. I can only imagine this sun god to WANT these younglings to die so that he can rule once again without being relegated to a servant role.

 

I guess she knows that people wont listen to truth or reason and just want simple retribution asap; she was the judge amongst the pantheons afterall

[Patient.Zero]

I feel as though there are some constants to the lore however confusing it may be. Flemeth was betrayed by a man/person, Mythal's death is a bad thing because it means the loss of the ideals she represented, and something like that is never suppose to happen. Who is it that betrayed these women and why (though major chunks of information) are the only things still missing. 

 

This is a really intriguing topic Heidirs I'm genuinely glad you brought it up!

[llandwynwyn]

The only reason I don't think it's Elgar'nan is that's too obvious. He is the cheated husband, he has a fiery temper. Boring.

The mysterious lover or someone else would be better.

[Heidirs]

perhaps one of the forgotten ones

[angelofsol]

What about the Sun "diety" that Mythal protected from Elgarnan's wrath and helped return to a semblance of his former glory?

 

Other than that legend nothing else is mentioned about him. I can only imagine this sun god to WANT these younglings to die so that he can rule once again without being relegated to a servant role.

 

I guess she knows that people wont listen to truth or reason and just want simple retribution asap; she was the judge amongst the pantheons afterall

And it should be noted that the Sun "diety" was Mythal's first "husband"... she was Elgarnan's mother and the sun was his father.

I think the Sun diety is synonymous with the Maker.  I find it interesting that with Felemth's story you also have two husbands.  Furthermore with Andraste you have two husbands... her human husband and then the Maker who she was the bride of.  I don't think that's coincidence; there has to be more to it and dare I say a connection between the three women.

[Heidirs]

FYI Changed topic title

[Bunny]

 

Andraste as Flemeth, no.  Flemeth was born centuries later, according to the stories.

 

Andraste as Mythal, or a host for Mythal...maybe.

 

 

And Maferath betrayed her. 

 

http://www.ladyinsan...blog/oti-havard

 

"Theory: Andraste was Mythal's First, but failed because of Maferath's treachery. Mythal used one of Andraste's faithful Havard in order to carry her, as well as Andraste's ashes to a safe location, so Mythal could recover...and start again."

[Patient.Zero]

And it should be noted that the Sun "diety" was Mythal's first "husband"... she was Elgarnan's mother and the sun was his father.

I think the Sun diety is synonymous with the Maker.  I find it interesting that with Felemth's story you also have two husbands.  Furthermore with Andraste you have two husbands... her human husband and then the Maker who she was the bride of.  I don't think that's coincidence; there has to be more to it and dare I say a connection between the three women.

 

Elgar'nan's dad was Myhal's first hasband? I was under the impression that the "sun" was married/in a relationship with the "earth". According to elven lore Elgar'nan was born due to the curious "sun" getting to close to the "earth", the "sun" got jealous of all the attention and favour Elgar'nan was showing to the "earth" and sent fire to burn it/her. Mythal then supposedly comes out of the sea Aphrodite style and calmed down Elgar'nan who was furious about what his father had done. 

 

As for Maferath and Andraste, I don't think the former was an unfaithful spouse. Maferath just became jealous of all the attention everybody was paying to his wife, because it made all the things he'd accomplished seem trivial.  "Yes, jealousy drove me to betrayal. I was the greatest general of the Alamarri, but beside Her I was nothing. Hundreds fell before Her in bended knee. They loved her, as did the Maker. I loved her too, but what man can compare with a god?" 

 

If anything, the betrayal suffered by Flemeth, Mythal, and Andraste was most likely the result of a loved one's jealously. What the jealously was caused by though is the the big unanswered question. 

[myahele]

I'm not a fan of Mythal = Andraste, but I can't deny that Andraste has too many similarities with Mythal's myths.

 

Maybe after Andraste's betrayal and death she found Flemeth and pretty much vowed to never take such an active/public role in helping the world and people again. Instead, she's hidden and give history a push or a shove when needed.

[Patient.Zero]

What kind of similarities? I was not of the fortunate few who have played previous Dragon Age games >_< I've read a lot of lore to try and keep up but I don't think Ive seen anything at points to similarities between Mythal and Andraste other then the jealous loved one angle. Is there some else that connects them? 

[Aren]

Dirthamen+Andruil+Falon Din   that was a big conspiration, and now the keeper of the secrets has the golden city for Himself.

[Heidirs]

What kind of similarities? I was not of the fortunate few who have played previous Dragon Age games >_< I've read a lot of lore to try and keep up but I don't think Ive seen anything at points to similarities between Mythal and Andraste other then the jealous loved one angle. Is there some else that connects them? 

 

There's a codex that explains Andraste only had daughters and those daughters also only had daughters. The oldest daughter of Andraste died of plague and her only daughter died soon after. The youngest daughter of Andraste ran off with her lover into exile (possibly to what is now southern Ferelden) The theory is that Mythal resided in Andraste, then transfered from one daughter to the next, making Flemeth Andraste's youngest girl. Flemeth has also supposedly only had daughters.

 

I'm, personally, not crazy about this theory.

[ashwind]

Just because someone claims/believes that s/he was betrayed, it does not make it true. S/he could have been a divine pain in the behind that the people around her/him simply had to get rid of her. S/he would still "think and feel" that s/he has been betrayed. 

 

Corypheus would think that he has been betrayed. Palpatine would think that he has been betrayed. Darth Vader would think that he has been betrayed. The Joker would think that he has been betrayed and the list of sick villains who feels that they have been betrayed goes on. 

[Heidirs]

Just because someone claims/believes that s/he was betrayed, it does not make it true. S/he could have been a divine pain in the behind that the people around her/him simply had to get rid of her. S/he would still "think and feel" that s/he has been betrayed. 

 

True, but I still want to know what happened.

[Patient.Zero]

Oh, I remember that that codex about Andraste's children from Haven. Is that what's it's alluding too? Flemeth being the daugher of Andraste?

[myahele]

The only thing to disprove that theory is a non-ogb kieran.

[Swaggerjking]

What about the Sun "diety" that Mythal protected from Elgarnan's wrath and helped return to a semblance of his former glory?

Other than that legend nothing else is mentioned about him. I can only imagine this sun god to WANT these younglings to die so that he can rule once again without being relegated to a servant role.

I guess she knows that people wont listen to truth or reason and just want simple retribution asap; she was the judge amongst the pantheons afterall

maybe this could be the maker it was the maker was supposed to be burn tevinter involving something with the sun I don't know

[Nefla]

Solas has a line when talking about one of the other gods who got out of line. My Inquisitor asked why that god was allowed to live. And Solas replies, "One does not simply kill a god, Inquisitor. Even in legend."

 

There was some other book series I was reading - don't remember what it was - but it explained that you can't just kill a god. Because a god has all this power and controls all these things. So say you kill the god that controls the sun. Well, what happens to the sun then? The whole world would end. So I wonder if Mythal's fall from power somehow robed the world of something... just speculation of course.

Mythal was the goddess of darkspawn supression...****!

[Heidirs]

Oh, I remember that that codex about Andraste's children from Haven. Is that what's it's alluding too? Flemeth being the daugher of Andraste?

 

That's the theory, anyway. I'm sure how well it fits timeline wise... I've always thought Flemeth came before Andraste.... but I'd have to do some research to check

 

Mythal was the goddess of darkspawn supression...****!

 

We'll that would make things interesting!

[Zerc]

I did, soz.

[Bunny]

-186 Ancient

Andraste Introduces The Maker

 

3:00 Towers

Flemeth is said to be born in the Fereldan village of Highever.

[Heidirs]

 

-186 Ancient

Andraste Introduces The Maker

 

3:00 Towers

Flemeth is said to be born in the Fereldan village of Highever.

 

 

Then I guess the theory works with Flemeth as a decedent of Andraste...

[Poledo]

Flemeth = Andraste

Elgar'Nan = The Maker

Solas = Shartan

 

My Theory.