Like the title states, is this a glitch?
When I use lash as a detonator, I can detonate most if not all enemies in SP, from collector praetorian/scions, banshee, prime, brute, dragoons etc. But the only one that is a hit or a miss is an Atlas. Anyone know why?
Thanks
It should not work as a detonator on any armor, but I will have to test that out.
Are you using the Shield Bypass evolution at rank 6? I wonder if that is glitching it.
It should not work as a detonator on any armor, but I will have to test that out.
Are you using the Shield Bypass evolution at rank 6? I wonder if that is glitching it.
Yes it is evolved as followed:
rank 4 detonate
rank 5 damage over time
rank 6 shield penetration
It is so weird, i seem to detonate on atlas if I use it on the sides or behind the atlas, but not in front. I can detonate any other enemies like praetorian/scions, banshee/brutes, pyro, prime, dragoon, turrets, etc.
If you have any luck looking into the dlc pack for omega and if have any luck looking into the code, it seems armor detonation was intended, its in the script. I believe they didn't do that on mp because it might be OP? Either way if it was intended it would be nice if it was consistent on detonating atlases. It can't be glitching due to my modding can it? I only changed the damage of flare to undefined because I felt it deserved to destroy nothingness, that's the only "mod" I did. Also the game is fully patched so all the mp change (accept for singularity) came to sp.
Okay, I just tested this, and yes it does detonate on protections. And I did confirm that it was not detonating on the Atlas, although it only seemed to be biotic explosions that were not detonating. I could detonate fire explosions just fine on the Atlas.
And you say this is for single player only? Huh. Well, I just learned something new.
Okay, I just tested this, and yes it does detonate on protections. And I did confirm that it was not detonating on the Atlas, although it only seemed to be biotic explosions that were not detonating. I could detonate fire explosions just fine on the Atlas.
And you say this is for single player only? Huh. Well, I just learned something new.
Yes only Singleplayer. I don't recall it having on mp when I was playing the phoenix adept/vangaurd. Did you try to skirt around the atlas and try to detonate? For some reason that works. Note I added in powers via save editor, I haven't actually unlocked it in the bonus power, maybe if I have it unlocked normally it would work? Also this is great, since lash is like throw for my vanguard and it acts as a setup 
The Atlas was moving laterally from right to left from my position. I just looked at the video footage I took and it appears I did detonate one biotic explosion off of it, but I think I did it from the back and not the side.
I could always go back and try since I made a save point near it. But not tonight it is late and I am tired.
(I should also note that I play on Xbox so I cannot look at the code for it.)
The Atlas was moving laterally from right to left from my position. I just looked at the video footage I took and it appears I did detonate one biotic explosion off of it, but I think I did it from the back and not the side.
I could always go back and try since I made a save point near it. But not tonight it is late and I am tired.
(I should also note that I play on Xbox so I cannot look at the code for it.)
Yeah I have a save at grissom academy. I have a tech memo do write atm but when I am done, I'll record some gameplay to illustrating where I feel it will always detonate, unedited. Maybe some of the bsner will appreciate it.
Edit: i uploaded a video, but its still processing (darn)..well hopefully it processes soon. Its the first atlas battle in grissom academy. Explosions don't work infront of the atlas, but its side and back works? Why is that? Is it because of lash impact being more of a directional cone versus point impact like warp, throw, etc?
https://youtu.be/adeDtHmD9ng
I have no idea why it fails to detonate reliably on the Atlas. It could be where it hits on the Atlas; not registering as a hit in certain areas or something for some odd reason. Or maybe the game thinks you hit the pilot for some reason? Hard to tell without looking at actual game data.
I mean, I watched your video a few times, and it looks like you hit it with Lash in the same spot at least twice, and once it detonated, and the other time it did not. Very strange.
Anyway, here was my encounter with an Atlas using Lash as a detonator. I specifically did not evolve it at rank 6 so I would not get the Shield Bypass. I wanted to confirm that the shield bypass was not the reason detonations on protections were actually working with Lash.
(Start at 3:51 of the video to see the Atlas section. Or try this link to get it started at 3:51.)
I have no idea why it fails to detonate reliably on the Atlas. It could be where it hits on the Atlas; not registering as a hit in certain areas or something for some odd reason. Or maybe the game thinks you hit the pilot for some reason? Hard to tell without looking at actual game data.
I mean, I watched your video a few times, and it looks like you hit it with Lash in the same spot at least twice, and once it detonated, and the other time it did not. Very strange.
Anyway, here was my encounter with an Atlas using Lash as a detonator. I specifically did not evolve it at rank 6 so I would not get the Shield Bypass. I wanted to confirm that the shield bypass was not the reason detonations on protections were actually working with Lash.
(Start at 3:51 of the video to see the Atlas section. Or try this link to get it started at 3:51.)
Yeah maybe it does think I am hitting the pilot. Well I will continue playing through until I get lash actually unlocked as a bonus power, maybe it will change consistency. Also (just like how I posted on your video) I noticed you only detonated on an Atlas when hitting its power core, just like I observed. And interesting enough you didn't take rank 6? Also no lash never was a detonator for armor in MP. With a CD equivalent to throw/pull and being able to act as both detonator and setup....I would be pretty sure if that made to MP, it would get nerfed hard. We would have a surplus of amazing characters, like taking the phenix class from good to godlike and making the batarien slasher adept more powerful than it already is with warp+cluster.
P.S. I wonder if people would watch an LP of the vanguard I have, even if he is "modded"?
An interesting find!
Can it be that Atlas is considered "shielded and armored pilot" rather than a separate enemy? For example, I once managed to chill the pilot by detonating a Cryo Explosion near the mech. So the mech might be something like a glorified Cannibal plate. The locations where Lash hits seem to hit are far from the pilot in both videos. I also noticed Lash arcing noticeably the third time RedCaesar uses it in his video. Might be that it tries to target the pilot.
Now if it could drag the pilot out of the broken canopy...
For your Vanguard, I'll watch it You have an interesting setup and so long as you limit Flare usage it seems pretty much vanilla 
You did give Javik a ton of grenades but even that didn't save you from having only two health bars for the Atlas fight 
An interesting find!
Can it be that Atlas is considered "shielded and armored pilot" rather than a separate enemy? For example, I once managed to chill the pilot by detonating a Cryo Explosion near the mech. So the mech might be something like a glorified Cannibal plate. The locations where Lash hits seem to hit are far from the pilot in both videos. I also noticed Lash arcing noticeably the third time RedCaesar uses it in his video. Might be that it tries to target the pilot.
Now if it could drag the pilot out of the broken canopy...
For your Vanguard, I'll watch it
Hey thanks. No I believe you are right. You can indeed lash the pilot out if the canopy is broken. Also It does seem lash impact is more of a point versus an area. Even warp impact is a little projected area, so that maybe the reason when I lash the atlas at the front it does indeed target the pilot but the pilot isn't effected by the setup power. I get detonations when lash hits the sides or power core of an atlas. Still weird haha.
Also I might record a full LP after I hit NG+, I will revert back to level 30 and get rid of all weapons. This allows me to level up (making things harder) and it allows me to get weapons to X. Also yeah my version of the flare isn't used that much, only as a finisher for a boss or a group of enemies when I know using flare doesn't make that big of a difference. Also lash is so useful. Also since I have so many powers on the power wheel. I got rid of unity. I don't use unity at all, so health damage is permanent for me. Eh adds to the difficulty.
Oh and RedCeaser; about your YouTube comment, you maybe on to something, but I don't think shield penetration is bugged, it only allows you to set-up on shielded enemies, seems lash will detonate at any level. Probably because its an impact biotic power like throw/shockwave. Also seems lash can detonate all combo's. Flare does that to sometimes. I can get a biotic+fire combo.
I tried dragging the pilot out of the broken canopy with Lash and it didn't work.
Hmm, Idk I assumed you could, i once pulled the pilot out of the canopy, so I assume the same would occur. Unless your lash keeps being registered by the atlas itself. Can you detonate combo after the canopy breaks?
Hmm, Idk I assumed you could, i once pulled the pilot out of the canopy, so I assume the same would occur. Unless your lash keeps being registered by the atlas itself. Can you detonate combo after the canopy breaks?
I never managed to pull the pilot with any power. I did not notice any differences for combo detonation. It kept doing nothing and only occasionally detonated something. I then tried it with the shield bypass evolution for rank 6 but it didn't change anything.
Yeah its buggy on atlas, I noticed a consistent detonation if you lash its power core. Also banshee are a joke with lash detonation as well..unless they have there damn power blocking shield, but a claymore shot or a hurricane burst does the trick.
Well its official, lash destroys all things, and if there is anything left. Flare will turn them into nothingness O.o
Observe the destruction of the collectors 
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