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[helpthisguyplease]

 From I understood the Avars had the power to invade and maybe defeat Orlais in Second Blight and to be honest I do not think they got weaker after all with just one tribe we had to struggle a lot and the inqusition is as strong a country so why did they not invaded the Lowlands as they say for hundreds of years?

[Heimdall]

They don't have the numbers, not by a long shot. The only reason they posed a threat was their God-dragon.

[helpthisguyplease]

 Their tribes and from what I know from our history they do not need to have the number to invade, example are Mongols, Magyars, Cumans, real life Avars, Lombards, Franks, Slavs, Pechenegs, Jin's, Kitans and the most succesful of all Arabs.

[Farangbaa]

The Avvar have nothing on the rest of Thedas. No technological advantage, no numerical advantage, no military (strategy/tactics) advantage, just nothing.

[helpthisguyplease]

The Avvar have nothing on the rest of Thedas. No technological advantage, no numerical advantage, no military (strategy/tactics) advantage, just nothing.

No technological advantage is true but neither did the mongols or the arabs had and they were still very succesful.

No numerical advantage is true but tribes have every able men in the army so they equaled the armies of states with higher population.

No military advantage is just not true avar mages are more powerful they use beasts like bears in fighting and they are all well trained and clearly very versatile after all they climbed over walls.

[LonewandererD]

Also consider that the tribes of the Avaar already tried this in 6:50 when they attacked the lands of Ferelden in never seen before numbers and were repelled only after two years. In that time the southern kingdoms have advanced whilst the Avaar are relatively the same. Also, this whole horde was repelled by just one nation, Ferelden is powerful mind you but so is Orlais and Nevarra.

 

Also the Avaar have a greatly reduced concept of permanence beyond their mountain home, and even within their mountain home. Avaar tribes often relocate and relations between tribes are very much prone to change, extended a hand to just as quickly lunge with the sword. It would take an extremely powerful individual to unite all clans in any kind of cohesive fighting force and even then there is no guarantee that they would remain so for much longer; hell a group of Avaar decided to break from their own clan and challenge the Inquisition just because they felt like it.

 

Also, as for the power of their shamans, they still haven't had to deal with a full fighting force of Templars who are trained to both nullify magic and fight, with better than average gear. Also you can't discount the power the south's own mages, they were able to provide a counter to the Qun's blackpowder and put Thedas on a more even playing field, and the Qun would run roughshod over the Avaar. 

 

An invasion may work, but at most it would be very short lived. As for references to Arabs and the Mongols, I think real world examples lose their credence when you throw lightning bolts.

 

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[X Equestris]

Yeah, if Ferelden can repel a united force of Avaar, I doubt the Avaar would pose a major threat to the rest of the lowland nations in lowland environments.

[helpthisguyplease]

^No more templars now so there goes that power and no more united southern mages. Also Ferelden only a little over 100 years ago was a collection of tribes at the time of the Avar invasion and nobody can fight nomadic tribes better then another nomadic tribe. We do not know if the Qun could defeat the Avars as nomadic tribes were very hard to defeat that most of the time it was not worth it.

[X Equestris]

^No more templars now so there goes that power and no more united southern mages. Also Ferelden only a little over 100 years ago was a collection of tribes at the time of the Avar invasion and nobody can fight nomadic tribes better then another nomadic tribe. We do not know if the Qun could defeat the Avars as nomadic tribes were very hard to defeat that most of the time it was not worth it.

Your timeline is off. And the Fereldens aren't, and haven't been for a long while, nomadic.

[LonewandererD]

The Fereldens started being a unified nation in the Exalted Age (5:42), the Avaar attacked over a hundred years later in the Steel Age (6:50). Even before then the individualist nature of the Avaars are one of the main causes of them being forced into the mountains of the Frostbacks by the Fereldens who have always had a more defined sense of permanence and were far less nomadic. Hell the main cause of the fighting over the Ferelden Valleys was because it made for great farming and settling territory.

 

One of Ferelden's greatest strengths has been in their unity and ability to face down superior forces. The Avaar have a far less impressive track record.

 

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[Ynqve]

The Avvar might be able to conquer some land if they find a strong enough leader to rally behind, but they could never hope to hold it. They're too few and they lack the means and infrastructure to rule an empire. Even a weakened Orlais or Ferelden should be more than capable of fighting them off, not to mention the fact that the Chantry could call for an exalted march if things get too bad. Why would the Avvar tribes risk that?

[Heimdall]

Their tribes and from what I know from our history they do not need to have the number to invade, example are Mongols, Magyars, Cumans, real life Avars, Lombards, Franks, Slavs, Pechenegs, Jin's, Kitans and the most succesful of all Arabs.

Yeah, all of those had either numbers, technological, or tactical advantages. And/or their enemies were fractured and in decline.

[helpthisguyplease]

And/or their enemies were fractured and in decline.

^I do not see how that does not apply with the situation on Thedas?

The Avvar might be able to conquer some land if they find a strong enough leader to rally behind, but they could never hope to hold it. They're too few and they lack the means and infrastructure to rule an empire. Even a weakened Orlais or Ferelden should be more than capable of fighting them off, not to mention the fact that the Chantry could call for an exalted march if things get too bad. Why would the Avvar tribes risk that?

  The turks did that time and time and time and time and time and time again while they failed a lot eventually they managed. I am pretty sure that was worth the risk.

[Heimdall]

^I do not see how that does not apply with the situation on Thedas?

Ferelden's not fractured or in decline, even if it's suffering from a Blight. Orlais's in civil war, but each side still commands the finest soldiers in southern Thedas. The Avaar just don't have the force to take advantage of that without the dragon, unless maybe all the Avaar in the Frostbacks united under a single banner, but that's not likely to happen.

[X Equestris]

^I do not see how that does not apply with the situation on Thedas?

  The turks did that time and time and time and time and time and time again while they failed a lot eventually they managed. I am pretty sure that was worth the risk.

The Avaar have always failed when they launched real attempts at conquest. Their main advantage is their knowledge of their home terrain and their resistance to cold weather. Take away those things, and they have very little going for them.

[LonewandererD]

You may have mis-remembered something. You know why Corypheus tried to target Orlais with the demon army first, because even with the civil war going it was still one of the most formidable fighting forces in Thedas. Now the rise of demons and the infighting among Templars and Mages may have gone largely ignored by the embittered warlords of Orlais but an aggressive organised fighting forced appearing on their souther border is going to grab their attention. And you forget Nevarra, if the Avaar somehow get the upper hand on the Orlesians the Nevarrans would be quick to capitalise on this. If Orlais were to fight the Avaar it would in all account be a long, bloody affair. Nevarra used to be a part of the Free Marches but has risen to be a formidable fighting force that actually has the guts and strength to stand up to other Orlais and even the Imperium (at least the southern Imperium). Once Orlais were to be weakened by the Avaar would they not call out to the fully rested and battle proven Nevarrans?

 

As you have pointed out before the Avaar are nomadic, this may work to their advantage on their home turf where they can quickly pick up and everything and move to areas an enemy force would not be familiar on hostile foreign soil this advantage now suddenly works against them; scattered tribes now having to try and defend unfamiliar ground against better armed, better supplied, more organised and very pissed off armies.

 

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[helpthisguyplease]

^Ferelden let armies unchecked in their countries if that is not a sign of decline and weakness I do not know what is actually I can barley call it a state now. Orlais well could but its not in top shape for now. The Chantry is nothing now and I doubt it could call a Exaltet march in that weakened state.

Edit: Man people write fast here

 

 

You may have mis-remembered something. You know why Corypheus tried to target Orlais with the demon army first, because even with the civil war going it was still one of the most formidable fighting forces in Thedas. Now the rise of demons and the infighting among Templars may have gone largely ignored by the embittered warlords of Orlais but an aggreisve organised fighting forced appearing on their souther border is going to grab their attention. And you forget Nevarra, if the Avaar somehow get the upper hand on the Orlesians the Nevarrans would be quick to capitalise on this. If Orlais were to fight the Avaar it would in all account be a ling bloody affair. Nevarra used to be a part of the Free Marches but has risen to be a formidable fighting force that actually has the guts and strength to stand up to other Orlais and even the Imperium (at least the southern Imperium). Once Orlais were to be weakened by the Avaar would they not call out to the fully rested and ready Nevarrans?

As you have pointed out before the Avaar are nomadic, this may work to their advantage on their home turf where they can quickly pick up and everything and move to areas an enemy force would not be familiar on hostile foreign soil this advantage now suddenly works against them; scattered tribes now having to try and defend unfamiliar ground against better armed, better supplied, more organised and very pissed off armies.

 Well not actually true you see to take Orlais or Ferelden we have to take the cities and permanent settlements those will not move its kinda impossible to do. Nomads do not have cities and permanent settlements so how do you conquer a people that you can not catch that ambush you and that forces you to have a longer and longer supply line each time you follow them as there is no farmed land and farmers from which to steal food.

[LonewandererD]

And you forget the Crows. The Avaar would need an exceptional leader to unite them, what happens if he were to suddenly come down with an unhealthy case of assassination? The threat of the Crows have kept the Antivans safe from foreign invasion for centuries, what good can superstitious mountain men do against the best assassins in Thedas?

 

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[X Equestris]

^Ferelden let armies unchecked in their countries if that is not a sign of decline and weakness I do not know what is actually I can barley call it a state now. Orlais well could but its not in top shape for now. The Chantry is nothing now and I doubt it could call a Exaltet march in that weakened state.

I don't think you know what you're talking about. Avaar running roughshod over the south would be a perfect reason to call an Exalted March.

[Ynqve]

^I do not see how that does not apply with the situation on Thedas?

 

  The turks did that time and time and time and time and time and time again while they failed a lot eventually they managed. I am pretty sure that was worth the risk.

 

The Avvar would have one chance, and it wouldn't end well. Besides the Avvar seems to be perfectly fine with their nomadic tribal ways. They don't want to expand, they don't want to spread their beliefs and they don't want to rule the lowlanders. Sure, they raid the occasional village now and again. But it's a huge difference between that and a full scale invasion.

 

^Ferelden let armies unchecked in their countries if that is not a sign of decline and weakness I do not know what is actually I can barley call it a state now. Orlais well could but its not in top shape for now. The Chantry is nothing now and I doubt it could call a Exaltet march in that weakened state.

 

Even IF Orlais and Ferelden were too weak to fight the Avvar (which they aren't), you still have the Inquisition and all of it's power to deal with. And as I mentioned earlier, if things go really bad the Chantry would call for an Exalted march and rally everyone south of Tevinter to fight back. 

[helpthisguyplease]

And you forget the Crows. The Avaar would need an exceptional leader to unite them, what happens if he were to suddenly come down with an unhealthy case of assassination? The threat of the Crows have kept the Antivans safe from foreign invasion for centuries, what good can superstitious mountain men do against the best assassins in Thedas?

 

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 Considering were Antiva is I do not think that will be a problem for quite some time also. Also the Crows do not succed every time ask The Warden and Sevran.

I don't think you know what you're talking about. Avaar running roughshod over the south would be a perfect reason to call an Exalted March.

Who would answer the call of the current Chantry there is no reason to listen to them is like the Borgia Pope calling  for a crusade.

Even IF Orlais and Ferelden were too weak to fight the Avvar (which they aren't), you still have the Inquisition and all of it's power to deal with. And as I mentioned earlier, if things go really bad the Chantry would call for an Exalted march and rally everyone south of Tevinter to fight back.

 Would they even care I mean they do not threaten with the destruction of the world and they have good relations with them.

[LonewandererD]

The Chantry still has a lot power, that was one of the greatest obstacles the Inquisition had to overcome, and now with a new Devine and some normalcy restored to the land that are strong force yet again. Also, Antiva's location wouldn't stop their involvement. The Crows can work for anyone and Antiva is a strong trade country, you think they'd just sit back and let their investments in Orlais or Ferelden get invaded.

 

Oh, as for Zevran. If you talk to him you'd know he wasn't the best of the Crows, there are many more successful Crows out there and they'd operating in greater numbers in the face of an invasion (that and the Warden has plot armour); how do you think Antiva got its rep?

 

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[Ynqve]

 Considering were Antiva is I do not think that will be a problem for quite some time also. Also the Crows do not succed every time ask The Warden and Sevran.

Who would answer the call of the current Chantry there is no reason to listen to them is like the Borgia Pope calling  for a crusade.

 

 

 Would they even care I mean they do not threaten with the destruction of the world and they have good relations with them.

 

I'm quite sure that they would care about a barbarian horde taking over Orlais and Ferelden as well as defeating one of the most powerful organizations in Thedas. You would be a fool to not recognize the danger at that point. So yes, they would fight if only to protect their own borders. 

[helpthisguyplease]

^Its more like why the Crows did not managed to kill Zevran not why Zevran failed. Anyway the Crows and Antiva seem to be inspired by the Hashishin who were destroyed by none other then the Mongols so I wonder why did that order of Assasins that made even Saladin retreat(no idea if this was only in Assasin's Creed or in real life also)did not killed the mongol general that destroyed them?

  Can they not trade with the new Avar state after all its new and lots of resources for trade and not a lot of knowlege about the hidden aspects of trade. In their place I would smell profit.

[X Equestris]

Who would answer the call of the current Chantry there is no reason to listen to them is like the Borgia Pope calling  for a crusade.

 Would they even care I mean they do not threaten with the destruction of the world and they have good relations with them.

The various Free Marches, Nevarra, the Anderfels, Antiva. Any of those nations might answer the call for an Exalted March, especially with heathen barbarians invading the lowlands. And this all assumes that Ferelden and Orlais wouldn't be able to beat the Avaar.