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[LonewandererD]

I'm going to use thread as a wheel, it keeps going around in a circle so nicely I bet it'd work

 

-D-

[Maker Be Damned]

What are you talking about? They paid for X. They got X. Everyone who paid the seller's price got the same thing.
And the same is true for Y. If you bought Y, you got Y.
No seller is under an obligation to make his product available to all possible buyers, or at the same price. I can sell you an apple for $1 and another guy an identical apple for $10 as long as I cam keep you from reselling your apple. This is exactly how the same digital product gets sold in different markets for different prices in different currencies.
Unless you're willing to go all the way down this rabbit hole and decry the entire concept of voluntary exchange (where a sale only happens if both parties agree to the terms), there's no way for your position to make sense.
I cannot be required to sell my product without my consent without basically eliminating the concept of private property.

From reading this I'd gather you didn't read or understand the OP.

[Lumix19]

From reading this I'd gather you didn't read or understand the OP.

You really need to take a course in Critical Thinking, that'll help you construct your arguments.

[Maker Be Damned]

What are you talking about? They paid for X. They got X. Everyone who paid the seller's price got the same thing.
And the same is true for Y. If you bought Y, you got Y.
No seller is under an obligation to make his product available to all possible buyers, or at the same price. I can sell you an apple for $1 and another guy an identical apple for $10 as long as I cam keep you from reselling your apple. This is exactly how the same digital product gets sold in different markets for different prices in different currencies.
Unless you're willing to go all the way down this rabbit hole and decry the entire concept of voluntary exchange (where a sale only happens if both parties agree to the terms), there's no way for your position to make sense.
I cannot be required to sell my product without my consent without basically eliminating the concept of private property.

The difference between this situation and your giant strawman is. The DLC is not like a apple or a sandwhich which are stand alone items that can be enjoyed separately. This DLC is part of something you already sold me. Its specifically made for the game I bought and its immoral for you to sell parts of the game that are not available to everyone who bought a copy of the exact same game 4 months after I bought it.

Thats why its "bait and switch" I was baited into thinking my copy of the game was the same as everyone else's. Four months later "SWITCH" I find out my copy doesn't have access to the same DLC as others.

[Il Divo]

The difference between this situation and your giant strawman is. The DLC is not like a apple or a sandwhich which are stand alone items that can be enjoyed separately. This DLC is part of something you already sold me. Its specifically made for the game I bought and its immoral for you to sell parts of the game that are not available to everyone who bought a copy of the exact same game 4 months after I bought it.

Thats why its "bait and switch" I was baited into thinking my copy of the game was the same as everyone else's. Four months later "SWITCH" I find out my copy doesn't have access to the same DLC as others.

 

You can't enjoy DA:I separately from the dlc?

[Grieving Natashina]

I can get the DLC since I'm on the PC, but I know that there is bugs and other issues related to it.  I plan on buying it, but I'm holding off for now.  So in a way, I'm more letting others test that for me.  Instead of looking at it as "I got screwed over," try seeing it as, "The devs should have most of the issues recognized before I get the DLC.  Sweet!"  It certainly beats being mad about this.  

 

Timed exclusives happen.  If you have an issue with this, take it up with Sony or Microsoft.  Or go to the EA forums and complain there.  This isn't BioWare's decision, but the EA execs probably helped make this happen.

[SporkFu]

I'll be a willing guinea pig!... Uhh, for working out DLC bugs, that is

 

Gotta say, I'm halfway through the new DLC, maybe a little more (hopefully not too much), and it's been bug free for me so far. Granted I haven't tried crafting anything with the new mats yet. I'm kinda looking at this first PT as a recon mission. next time I'll play it with an Inquisitor who hasn't completed the game already. 

[Lady Artifice]

I don't think I've encountered such a dramatic thread title since...Well, yesterday. 

 

Still very dramatic. 

[AlanC9]

You can't enjoy DA:I separately from the dlc?

Not any more. His feelings have been so terribly, terribly hurt by this that he can't even bring himself to boot up the game again.

(Yeah, it sounds silly, but it's the only way to make his math work.)

[Grifter]

Friend its not "inmoral" is about changes... they can put this DLC quickly for some platform coz they can do it quickly in that platforms

The other thing is... they have to downgrade the graphics for make it work for another platform

And that take some time, u cant do it in one single day... take time =)

 

you can think about it.... all what u need is patience... u cant get all what u want now... some kind of things take time

come friend sith here take a cookie i have Cindor if u want =)

[AlanC9]

Natural is a synonym for ordinary, logical, regular, typical or usual. I'm sure you must know the meaning of at least one of these words.

I'll let Sylvius handle the actual meaning of the words here. I don't mind someone going all Humpty Dumpty with his definitions as long as he's clear about the ones he's using.

It doesn't matter. Even on your own terms exclusive DLC is "natural." Timed exclusive DLC is something that happens fairly often these days, so it's ordinary, regular, typical, and usual. Your ignorance of this doesn't change anything. It's also logical for a business to sell products on the terms most advantageous to that business.

But let's say that Bio really had invented a new business practice here. So what? Everything's un-"natural" the first time someone tries to do it.

[DanteYoda]

Exclusives and timed gimmicks just turn me away from companies and developers that use them,

 

I'd never buy an Xbox of any type no matter what gimmicks they try and with crap like "Rise of the Tomb Raider" stupidity they just lost a customer for life yes i'm one person but i'll never purchase their trash again after the exclusive deal with microsoft...

 

I'd rather just not play them than play them late...

[Lumix19]

Exclusives and timed gimmicks just turn me away from companies and developers that use them,
 
I'd never buy an Xbox of any type no matter what gimmicks they try and with crap like "Rise of the Tomb Raider" stupidity they just lost a customer for life yes i'm one person but i'll never purchase their trash again after the exclusive deal with microsoft...
 
I'd rather just not play them than play them late...

Why?

[Maker Be Damned]

I have heard nothing about when my platform is getting the DLC or If my platform is getting the DLC at all. This suggestion was to BioWare. I done bantering with a bunch retards who don't understand english or commen sense. All BioWare has to do is admit they made a mistake and say that it will never happen again. Until then they have lost my respect and so have all of you. Good Day!

[Teddie Sage]

Oh dear... using the r-word now. That's not cool.

[SofaJockey]

I have heard nothing about when my platform is getting the DLC or If my platform is getting the DLC at all. This suggestion was to BioWare I done bantering with a bunch retards who don't understand english or commen sense. All they have to do is admit they made a mistake and say that it will never happen again. Until then they have lost my respect and so have all of you. Good Day!

 

So long 

[LonewandererD]

Oh no, how will Bioware get over such a huge loss. Your console will get the dlc content at a later date so just deal with it sunshine

 

-D-

[Rawgrim]

"News of the hour! Bioware confirms PS4 users are lesser beings. By depriving them of critical DLC's they hope these beings will suffer and die from it! Xbox One users hailed as direct descendants of Andraste!" - Orzammar Town-Crier.

[Maker Be Damned]

Oh dear... using the r-word now. That's not cool.

If the shoe fits

[Dieb]

Can you honestly say that you would have opened this thread if it had released on your console first instead?

 

Everybody knows these things are messed up somehow, but stop trying to bring "morals" into this.

 

We're talking about one of the vainest forms of luxury entertainment here.

[Sylvius the Mad]

The difference between this situation and your giant strawman is. The DLC is not like a apple or a sandwhich which are stand alone items that can be enjoyed separately. This DLC is part of something you already sold me. Its specifically made for the game I bought and its immoral for you to sell parts of the game that are not available to everyone who bought a copy of the exact same game 4 months after I bought it.

You keep saying this as if it's self-evident. It isn't.

You need to connect those dots. How is it immoral to do that?

Your repeated misuse of words like logical and natural suggests you're trying to appeal to common sense, but common sense isn't an argument. It's also often not sense.

Are you able to explain why you hold this position, or are you simply going to keep insisting that you do as if that would ever matter to someone outside your head?

Opinions don't matter. Reasons matter. Are you willing to share your reasons? Do you even know what they are?

[JeffKaos]

I don't see what's so immoral about it... it's not even a new thing or exclusive to EA/Bioware.  Bethesda and Microsoft have had a similar agreement for years, which effected the Elder Scrolls titles as well as Fallout.  Maybe the OP is just poorly worded due to frustration, but this isn't anywhere near an "immoral" action.

 

And really, the bottom line is you have to wait one month to play the DLC... what's the big deal?  They aren't depriving you of the ability to purchase the DLC outright (that still wouldn't be immoral, or "bait and switch," since DLC was never promised to you or anyone else when we purchased the game).

 This is actually a good point. Nowhere is DLC guaranteed. I mean sure, it's pretty much a give in but no one says there HAS to be DLC.

 

Ultimately, it will cost them sales. A big chunk of their PS/XB360 players feel alienated (never a good marketing strategy) and many of the rest will be discouraged by the reviews and opt not to buy. Considering the PS market share, that may not have been their best decision ever.

This is more just "wishful thinking". Everyone who's getting the DLC later and complaining about it are still going to buy it. Look at how many people complain about Call of Duty and Assassins Creed games. They still sell a bajillion copies when they release. It's easy to complain. It's a lot harder to deny your impulses.

[Saphiron123]

This topic is pretty silly, there's nothing that can be said here that will convince EA to drop millions of dollars in pure profit for a timed exclusive because DAIFAN is unwilling to wait a few weeks for dlc.

It's purely hypothetical.

[Maker Be Damned]

You can't enjoy DA:I separately from the dlc?

The DLC cannot be enjoyed separately from DA:I. Now I'm done. The only people responding to this thread are people with IQs so low its like talking to a wall. POINTLESS bye