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Jaws of Hakkon Party Banter: Too Much Sera, Not Enough Cole or Solas...


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Opinions, everyone has them. Some will agree, some won't. I actually think Sera has the funniest banter in the game, and I wouldn't leave her behind on any mission. 194298.gif

 

Yeah, she is quite awesome, but when it's about elf-related stuff, or spirit-related stuff, I'd rather leave her at home, because I love both of those things, and she can be quite annoying, disrespectful and stubborn about them and make it a point to piss on everyone else's opinion that aren't like hers. It's a side of her I loathe, even though I love her character in general.


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Yeah, she is quite awesome, but when it's about elf-related stuff, or spirit-related stuff, I'd rather leave her at home, because I love both of those things, and she can be quite annoying, disrespectful and stubborn about them and make it a point to ****** on everyone else's opinion that aren't like hers. It's a side of her I loathe, even though I love her character in general.

 

 

Sounds like most of the clowns on this forum that decry DA:I as a disaster of a game, yet can't stop themselves from posting on here ~50 times a day.


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Yeah, she is quite awesome, but when it's about elf-related stuff, or spirit-related stuff, I'd rather leave her at home, because I love both of those things, and she can be quite annoying, disrespectful and stubborn about them and make it a point to piss on everyone else's opinion that aren't like hers. It's a side of her I loathe, even though I love her character in general.

Don't get me wrong, Sera does have some moments that make me want to slap her even though I love her to death.I just let some of that stuff go in one ear and out the other.


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I brought her once, and had a funny banter about the veil, then started to be insulting towards spirits, and since I love her but I love spirits more, I booted her out of the party. Problem solved.

I couldn't really blame anyone for having negative feelings about spirits. Their presence in the physical world is usually accompanied by bad sh*t happening. It's easy for Solas to be all nice about it, seeing as how he's pretty much a supernatural entity himself, but for normal folks, it's basically scary ghosts that screw with people, possess minds (or extract thoughts against your will), and turn mages into destructive monsters.



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I ran with Cole, Dorian and Cassandra and they seemed to have an even amount amongst the three, though Dorian's was by far the best. Especially going over the tree while activating the beacons.


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Oh it so sad you think someone who will probably a dlc or a whole game where they are a pretty big part and Cole if it's a dlc for solas he would probably get a great deal

If id sound rude I don't mean to

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I couldn't really blame anyone for having negative feelings about spirits. Their presence in the physical world is usually accompanied by bad sh*t happening. It's easy for Solas to be all nice about it, seeing as how he's pretty much a supernatural entity himself, but for normal folks, it's basically scary ghosts that screw with people, possess minds (or extract thoughts against your will), and turn mages into destructive monsters.

Apologetic much?


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If this is true, I might get the DLC afterall.

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Meh, Sera is a talkative character, Cole is not. It makes sense that she would have more dialogue.



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I couldn't really blame anyone for having negative feelings about spirits. Their presence in the physical world is usually accompanied by bad sh*t happening. It's easy for Solas to be all nice about it, seeing as how he's pretty much a supernatural entity himself, but for normal folks, it's basically scary ghosts that screw with people, possess minds (or extract thoughts against your will), and turn mages into destructive monsters.

 

Yeaaaah... And yet, we discover the Avvar, a culture that is 200% totally ok with spirits and don't fear them at all. My Lavellan ain't scared of them, and she loves Cole like a little brother. Sera doesn't even try, and that's what bothers me. She doesn't try to understand a lot of things that goes beyond her limited world views and opinions on the world. As soon as it challenges them a tiny bit, she shuts down like a little stubborn baby, and I hate that about her.

Just the fact that, when I romanced her in my first playthrough, she demanded that my Lavellan made a choice between staying in a relationship with her, and admitting that maybe elven culture is interesting and deserves some questioning, made me wanna slap her in the face. Such a narrow-minded girl. I understand why she is how she is, and I understand that she sometimes tries to make an effort, but having your partner make you chose between her and her questioning of faith and thirst for understanding, was a really huge dick move. I stayed because I didn't want my Lavellan to end the game alone, but had it been a real life situation, I would have gotten the fuck out of this unhealthy relationship.

I love her, but not when it comes to her prejudice towards things she doesn't make the slightest effort to try to understand. I hate that kind of mindset in people, so of course, despite all her other traits I enjoy, I'll always hate that part of her and wish she could outgrow it one day.


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Apologetic much?

How so? Chances are, as a regular person living in a city in Thedas, if an apparition showed up at your door, you'd probably freak the hell out. It's not much different from a phobia. I like snakes, but if I ever showed up at my mom's house with one, I'd later be attending her funeral after she caught a heart attack. No amount of explanation on my part will ever get her to ever like them or want to be around them for as long as she lives.



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Spoiler


Most DA DLC traditionally have had "favored" companions.

Some are obvious like Loghain, Wynne, and Alistair in RtO.

Others are random like Aveline and Isabela in MotA.

What makes Sera any less worthy of the spotlight? >.>

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Ahh well not a deal for me since i gave her the boot the moment i see her. She is just a waste of oxygen. My usual party is my dalish knight enchanter, dorian or solas, Cassandra and Varric.


I'm playing this exact playthrough at the moment too. I didn't pick Sera up for the first time and I can't say I'm missing her.
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Most DA DLC traditionally have had "favored" companions.

Some are obvious like Loghain, Wynne, and Alistair in RtO.

Others are random like Aveline and Isabela in MotA.

What makes Sera any less worthy of the spotlight? >.>


Yeah but it's not like she's getting an extra quest or deep character development or anything.

I haven't played the DLC but what does she get, a few extra new banters?

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How so? Chances are, as a regular person living in a city in Thedas, if an apparition showed up at your door, you'd probably freak the hell out. It's not much different from a phobia. I like snakes, but if I ever showed up at my mom's house with one, I'd later be attending her funeral after she caught a heart attack. No amount of explanation on my part will ever get her to ever like them or want to be around them for as long as she lives.

Why the hell would you ever theoretically bring a snake into your house knowing that you could potentially get your mother killed from a heart attack?! No reasonable person would be blaming the snake. They'd be blaming you! Why? Because a snake is an animal. You can't blame an animal for its nature but you can blame the person who was holding the snake. 

 

Plus, animals and spirits are different. Animals have brains but they don't have minds. Spirits do not physically have brains but they certainly have minds, even if they are bound by their primary emotions/attributes. 

 

Not to mention, when you consider all the crazy s**t that happens in Thedas, there are actually people who have accepted the fact that they do not live in a "normal" world. Heck, spirits have had a good reputation of bringing comfort to people it comes into contact with. 



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I'm playing this exact playthrough at the moment too. I didn't pick Sera up for the first time and I can't say I'm missing her.

 

Agreed and tbh she was a missing opportunity for a deep city elf character. Would have loved to have some conversations between her, my dalish inquisitor and Solas regarding city elf conditions but she is just crazy and her mind and logic are two parallel lines bound never to met.


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Ahh well not a deal for me since i gave her the boot the moment i see her. She is just a waste of oxygen. My usual party is my dalish knight enchanter, dorian or solas, Cassandra and Varric.

yep me too can't stand her

 

so freaking annoying and that voice

the first time I put up with her until her personal quest (thought maybe she had some depth but nope she is just crazy) NEVER again



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I took Blackwall, Varric and Dorian in an endgame save, and it was great. A lot back and forth between them, some individual comments. I remember one along the lines of "I hope we don't have to wade through the swamp again!" from Dorian, and Varric's answer "why are you complaining? You're taller than I!". Oh, fun times. 

 

I figure that the banter is kind of random anyway, so although Sera has more content, it doesn't necessarily mean she'll fire more than others. 



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Yeaaaah... And yet, we discover the Avvar, a culture that is 200% totally ok with spirits and don't fear them at all. My Lavellan ain't scared of them, and she loves Cole like a little brother. Sera doesn't even try, and that's what bothers me. She doesn't try to understand a lot of things that goes beyond her limited world views and opinions on the world. As soon as it challenges them a tiny bit, she shuts down like a little stubborn baby, and I hate that about her.

Just the fact that, when I romanced her in my first playthrough, she demanded that my Lavellan made a choice between staying in a relationship with her, and admitting that maybe elven culture is interesting and deserves some questioning, made me wanna slap her in the face. Such a narrow-minded girl. I understand why she is how she is, and I understand that she sometimes tries to make an effort, but having your partner make you chose between her and her questioning of faith and thirst for understanding, was a really huge dick move. I stayed because I didn't want my Lavellan to end the game alone, but had it been a real life situation, I would have gotten the fuck out of this unhealthy relationship.

I love her, but not when it comes to her prejudice towards things she doesn't make the slightest effort to try to understand. I hate that kind of mindset in people, so of course, despite all her other traits I enjoy, I'll always hate that part of her and wish she could outgrow it one day.

 

I gotta disagree here. You say that she doesn't try to understand things outside of her limited world views but your points aren't all that fair. Consider Lavellan.

 

You grew up with the Dalish and that is all you know. The elven gods and traditions are natural to you. Chantry circles are crazy and templars aren't necessary. This background is the complete opposite of Sera's in every way, not due to willful ignorance as everyone likes to claim. She's been exposed to Dalish people and their culture, but most Dalish are very condescending to city elves. She knows all the elven gods but she follows the Maker, a fact which surely draws criticism from Dalish elves. Sera has lived a life where Dalish elves tell her she's not a proper elf because she doesn't have vallaslin and she doesn't pray to Mythal. But you ignore all that and say "No Sera is ignorant, she should be fine with me praising a religion and culture that has never been kind to her once in her life." I agree that Sera definitely has a problem with accepting new things, but if you're gonna call her out on not leaving her comfort zone you gotta be able to step out of yours as well.

 

As for her fear of spirits, c'mon that's an unfair criticism. I want to compare it to criticizing an arachnophobe for not trying to "get over" your new pet tarantula. Except the analogy isn't sufficient because a phobia implies that the fear is irrational. A fear of spirits is very rational because spirits are very dangerous. Sure Solas is good with spirits, but if there's a bunch of spirits around is Sera supposed to just feel at ease when a self-proclaimed expert says that they're harmless? It's not so terrible that she puts no effort into accepting something that terrifies her.



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Too bad I've kicked Sera out in all of my playthroughs  :rolleyes:


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