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[Fidite Nemini]

 

BSN has a bad reputation. 

 

And it's just that, a reputation. Unless people lived a sheltered internet life until now, they would notice that BSN is by far and large a pretty tame community given its size and BioWare's popularity factor.

 

Ever tried the Bungie forum? Or the CnC forum back when CnC wasn't yet axed? Compared to what regularily happened on those communities (and those are just examples that I have personally experienced (for more notorious communities, try WoW, DotA, etc. pp.)) BSN is positively tame.

 

 

This whole "BSN is toxic" reputation comes from exactly two occasions, a very vocal minority that went absolutely apeshit about characters/romances during DAII and the whole ME3 endings debacle. The former is blown out of proportion (yes, those idiots were pretty bad, but those were very few amongst the thousand+ strong BSN community from back then) and the latter escalated like it did in no insignificant part due to EA/BioWare having had a horrible communication strategy about the whole ME3 ending thing.

 

 

BSN doesn't deserve its reputation. It's a surprisingly open community if you look at it, especially regarding the various sensitive social perspectives BioWare deals with in its games. Try campaigning for LGBT stuff on other fora, see how that goes.

[Il Divo]

Admittedly, I still laugh recalling the ME3 debacle. My favorite wasn't even Bioware's response. Anyone remember Colin Moriarty's Ign video? Now that was hilarious. 

[SofaJockey]

Well, that's another thing... the interaction with MP devs has seemed stronger. Not entirely sure why that is, but for my purposes (as someone who wants nothing to do with MP and never sticks my head in those forums), it only provides a starker comparison.

 

Maybe the multiplayers are more accustomed to getting on with other people? 

 

(only partly a joke...  )

 

 

BSN doesn't deserve its reputation. It's a surprisingly open community if you look at it, especially regarding the various sensitive social perspectives BioWare deals with in its games. Try campaigning for LGBT stuff on other fora, see how that goes.

 

You make a good point. It has its whinier days and its troll threads, but on the whole, there are many decent and sincere folk posting including many who have legitimate concerns and are able to articulate them constructively.

[sandalisthemaker]

BiowareMod03 is pretty active here 

 

03 is FABULOUS. 

[BubbleDncr]

Can't say it doesn't bum me out to see them having Q&A on Reddit but not here. I guess they just assume only the dedicated fans they come here, so they get a wider audience and people they need to more PR with over on Reddit. 

[b10d1v]

I guess it really depends on where you feel you can add value or have something to gain.  Certainly there have been effective forums here especially in the more technical arenas where specific changes can be addressed.  I would not ignore the modding complaints, but a modder that does not see the foundation issues or bother to read the patch notes is asking for troubles and the Bioware rep is reasonable.

[SofaJockey]

its actually smart

on reddit the people are mostly circlejerking at how awesome DA is 

every complaint (no matter if its valid or not) is buried with downvotes

 

So they don't have to deal with that 

on these forums its different

 

Hmmm, introducing downvotes, that would be a good idea

it might cure some posters perception that their views are credible.

 

It would also allow contrast with valid and supported critical feedback

so that it may be differentiated from the dross.

 

BioWare have often said that they read the feedback,

but given the wide variety of often conflicting views,

they have said they find it very hard to assess what the community is actually advocating.

 

[DaemionMoadrin]

I would need 10 times the number of likes for the downvotes.

[Fidite Nemini]

There's already a much easier way to represent how people think about any given opinion: respond to it. Preferably in a civil, reasonable fashion with constructive points.

 

No need for downvotes. Downvotes is for people that are too lazy to write down coherent responses.

[DaemionMoadrin]

There's already a much easier way to represent how people think about any given opinion: respond to it. Preferably in a civil, reasonable fashion with constructive points.

 

No need for downvotes. Downvotes is for people that are too lazy to write down coherent responses.

 

Coherent responses didn't seem to work so far, we still have... ah, whatever. Let's just say that some posters don't get discouraged by arguments or facts.

[Morroian]

Can't say it doesn't bum me out to see them having Q&A on Reddit but not here. I guess they just assume only the dedicated fans they come here, so they get a wider audience and people they need to more PR with over on Reddit. 

 

Thats fine for Q&As but not when it comes to answering queries about the game.

[Winged Silver]

I would think Reddit has the potential to reach a wider range of audience, no? Usually it's the really dedicated fans, or those who have a criticism to post, that come here. If Bioware was trying to get an angle of advertisement, I'd definitely think doing it here would be a touch redundant, since I think a lot of people here like to keep up with them

 

As for whether or not they want to come here.....mm it's tough. I get irritated very quickly some days that I come here, and I have the option to just stop responding, since it's not like I have any sort of reputation to protect here in these vast anonymous interwebs I can imagine that some of the people who do come here, who do have something at stake as for as behavior goes (dev, for example), also face similar difficulties. But they don't really have the same option I do in just logging out and staying offline for a few days.

 

I'd love to see the devs get more active here, since I have a lot of respect for the work they've done (even if it hasn't always been perfect), but I can also understand why they might be reluctant to,since there's a lot to take in, and sometimes you do need a thick skin.

[Kantr]

Can't say it doesn't bum me out to see them having Q&A on Reddit but not here. I guess they just assume only the dedicated fans they come here, so they get a wider audience and people they need to more PR with over on Reddit. 

It's easier to do that on reddit than a forum. On here it gets quite complicated.

[Eelectrica]

Would BSNers want the kind of iron fisted moderation that would likely have to be instituted to have developer participation here?

I certainly wouldn't tolerate some of the behavior here if I was a BioWare employee.

Yes, as long as opinions aren't censored in the process.
The Gearbox forums are far better moderated than this. Which isn't a big statement admittedly.

[Zobert]

And it's just that, a reputation. Unless people lived a sheltered internet life until now, they would notice that BSN is by far and large a pretty tame community given its size and BioWare's popularity factor.

 

Ever tried the Bungie forum? Or the CnC forum back when CnC wasn't yet axed? Compared to what regularily happened on those communities (and those are just examples that I have personally experienced (for more notorious communities, try WoW, DotA, etc. pp.)) BSN is positively tame.

 

 

This whole "BSN is toxic" reputation comes from exactly two occasions, a very vocal minority that went absolutely apeshit about characters/romances during DAII and the whole ME3 endings debacle. The former is blown out of proportion (yes, those idiots were pretty bad, but those were very few amongst the thousand+ strong BSN community from back then) and the latter escalated like it did in no insignificant part due to EA/BioWare having had a horrible communication strategy about the whole ME3 ending thing.

 

 

BSN doesn't deserve its reputation. It's a surprisingly open community if you look at it, especially regarding the various sensitive social perspectives BioWare deals with in its games. Try campaigning for LGBT stuff on other fora, see how that goes.

 

You could compare it to /b/ in the old days and say its nowhere near as bad, but considering this is not a janky forum but one run by a large corporation and it's still like walking into high school as a new kid.

[SofaJockey]

Good thread OP, >1,000 views and >60 posts in only a few hours.

Rather underlines the value of the forum 

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Sure, there were pleasant comments and responses, but I've also seen:

• devs being dog piled for even posting in a thread,
• accusations of lying,
• accusations of being lazy,
• calling for individuals to be fired,
• and even hopes that they will be taken hostage by terrorists (!)

Two highlighted points aren't just accusations. Those are easily proven facts.

Rest I didn't see. Like, uhm, ever.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Sounds like some people are fanatics.

I've personally never witnessed these things since I've joined.

Same here. Just like dropping a note while passing by. 
Don't like to stay here for long.