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[Wulfsten]

There is so much ridiculous semi-trolling whinging going on about this game on these boards, and it's really frustrating me. Especially since much of it is clearly coming from people who are playing this game to death, yet feel the need to come on these boards to whine and have their baseless criticisms validated because they think it makes them seem like discerning gamers.

 

Nuts to that. 

 

I have played Bioware games since Baldur's Gate 2, and up until now that was my favourite RPG of all time. I liked DA:O just fine, and I loved DA2, but they weren't quite as mind-blowing as BG2. 

 

This game makes all of those games look like amateur efforts. The sheer amount of content. The gorgeous well-designed graphics. The enormous amount of codex entries that don't dumb it down and don't "streamline" the world-building. The dynamic and innovative combat system that blends real-time elements with turn-based concepts. The well-thought out cast that's devoid of ridiculous stereotypes that have plagued some previous Bioware titles. Deep, involved romances, more so than any previous Bioware title. 

 

This game is truly incredible. People see that, and that's why it's received such critical acclaim. It's not without its flaws. The loss of the detailed tactics system in DA2 disappointed me. Skyhold feels a bit empty and lifeless - Haven is a better home-base.

 

But this truly redefined what I thought Bioware was capable of, and RPGs more generally. 

 

Please, leave a comment if you loved this game and are tired and frustrated by the constant pettiness and insincere cries of "Not enough hairstyles - guess I'm returning the game then!" 

 

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[Il Divo]

I'd rank it 4th after KotOR, Jade Empire, and ME2, just barely above DA:O. I thought it was a pretty solid experience and will likely play it again down the line. 

 

Top RPG of all time for me does go to Dark Souls, but YMMV. Also prepare to be flamed. 

[BabyPuncher]

I'd consider it one of the worst. And that has nothing to do with hairstyles. Definitely the worst writing I've seen in a modern BioWare game. Vapid characters and a incredibly trite plot.

 

And I'm not 'playing it to death.' I played it once and put it down.

[Natashina]

I can't pick my favorite RPG, since I've been playing them for almost 30 years now.  However, I can say that despite the flaws, for me DA:I is one of the best RPGs I've ever played.  I think it's a very strong entry into the BW library, and I look forward to come.

 

Oh yeah, prepare a flame suit.  Some folks are extremely p*ssed off right now and determined to take everyone with them.  Brace yourself, the trolls are coming. <insert meme here>

[Lethaya]

Welp. This will end well. XD

 

 

While I wouldn't say it's the best, either (KOTOR or ME2 holds that for me) DA:I is up there in the rankings, for sure. I enjoyed it immensely, despite its flaws. The artistry and style, the cast of companions, and the lore and storyline made it a completely worthwhile experience for me. But people like what they like. DA:I was different than its predecessors and, while I liked that and respect Bioware for trying new things, I can totally understand if that puts others off.

[SofaJockey]

Hmmm tricky...

 

ME2 first.

DAO and DAI tied second, as both have different stronger elements.

KOTOR third.

 

Then all the other BioWare/Bethesda games are fighting it out...

 

Now alongside ME3, DAI is the game I've spent the longest playing, but multiplayer accounts for a significant slice of that.

[BansheeOwnage]

I'd consider myself somewhere in the middle-ground. You listed a lot of good things about the game, which I agree with. And I could list as many bad things as well. I won't, because we've all seen them. It isn't the point. I think the point is that no one loses sight of the positives and negatives of the game. Either extreme seems ridiculous to me.

 

And your last sentence came off as a little pious in my opinion. The hairstyle controversy isn't just about the number of styles (though that's a big part), and it's perfectly legitimate criticism.

[MoonDrummer]

Any RPG in which beards float an inch of your face, will never be the best rpg I've ever played.

[Wulfsten]

I'd consider myself somewhere in the middle-ground. You listed a lot of good things about the game, which I agree with. And I could list as many bad things as well. I won't, because we've all seen them. It isn't the point. I think the point is that no one loses sight of the positives and negatives of the game. Either extreme seems ridiculous to me.

 

And your last sentence came off as a little pious in my opinion. The hairstyle controversy isn't just about the number of styles (though that's a big part), and it's perfectly legitimate criticism.

 

That's just what I mean. "The hairstyle controversy" seems quite trivial to me compared to the ridiculous amount of work that is evident in every other aspect of the game. We're talking about fully customised outfits for every party member for almost every kind of armour. Far, FAR more dialogue and meaningful conversation choices. A completely fixed loot system compared to DA:O and DA2. A fully featured equipment customisation suite that rivals Skyrim and far outstrips anything Bioware has done before. These are massive parts of the game. 

 

It boggles the mind that people get so fixated on what are really quite tiny gaps in the graphical assets for the game (why only one set of pyjamas for Skyhold, why only X amount of hairstyles, etc.) when almost every other kind of content has been increased by orders of magnitude.

 

You're right, it is legitimate to criticise aspects like the insufficient hairstyles. I personally have criticised the Skyhold outfit a lot, as I think you're wearing it for too much of the game for it to look that terrible. 

 

But for me, in the context of the game as a whole, it's a tiny gripe. 

 

I get that it's not going to be everyone's favourite RPG, because I fully understand the special place some RPGs can occupy in our hearts, especially if they were the first big one we embarked on (that's what BG2 was for me). I just wanted this to be a thread where people could come and say that they actually loved this game, because I'm seeing an astonishing amount of negativity about the game, much of it objectively unwarranted. 

[Darkly Tranquil]

[DAO MAdhatter]

I'm with you bro! I'm almost 800 hours in & I still can't put it down. Iv got Dragon age fever & I'm loving it!

[Ash Wind]

Subjective, you're entitled to your opinion... guess what? Those you deem trolls because they don't love the game are also entitled to their opinion.

[Terodil]

Bah, yet another poster who feels the need to decide what criticism is "objectively (un)warranted".
 
Look, for you it's the best RPG you've ever played, which is about as spongy a statement as can be, but whatever -- that's great. I'm truly happy for you.
 
The Bioware team has done incredibly good work in level design, graphics, and audio. That's as far as my agreement goes. The rest of the game -- which sadly comprises the far more important parts such as (story / character) writing, game design, lore, etc. -- is just about average (if we're kind about it), and certainly not "the best". I'm not going to make yet another list of the numerous issues the game has; we have had fantastic threads on this board already that go far beyond your ridiculously narrow perception, e.g. http://forum.bioware...-this-isnt-you/, http://forum.bioware...nd-suggestions/, http://forum.bioware...hout-prejudice/, http://forum.bioware...-list-opinions/, just to name a few.

Edit/PS: On a very personal and serious note, DA:I has almost brought tears to my eyes. The brilliant, memorable moments of excellent writing (I can remember so many scenes from previous DA titles or from ME almost verbatim, because they were so good!) have given way to a bland mush that left me uninspired, hollow even. When I read statements by the Bioware executives that a- they want to do even "more Skyrim", which shows a shocking disregard for their very own traditional strengths, and that b- they still think DA:I is "too difficult" and needs further pruning, I just want to switch off my PC altogether. I'm honestly dejected that after almost 20 years 'together', shaped by NWN (esp. HotU), DAx, MEx and others, my favourite game studio and I are going separate ways. Still, even though they/you probably won't read this: Thank you for those 20 years, Bioware. They were awesome. "Had to be you -- somebody else would have gotten it wrong."

[Juggie MacBrodleteen]

There is so much ridiculous semi-trolling whinging going on about this game on these boards, and it's really frustrating me. Especially since much of it is clearly coming from people who are playing this game to death, yet feel the need to come on these boards to whine and have their baseless criticisms validated because they think it makes them seem like discerning gamers.

 

Because I like a game doesn't mean it's perfect and certainly doesn't mean I shouldn't make the devs know what they did wrong, ESPECIALLY in a place made expressly for that purpose. These forums, and even more so the "Feedback & Suggestions" (which should say enough as to what it's made for) is the place where people go to voice what they think could be improved on, not to fan-gasm over the lackluster work of their favorite company.

 

If you can't endure valid criticism, well you are most welcome to go to some other board/forum where I'm sure people will gladly indulge in circle-jerking and other Bioware praising activities.

[BansheeOwnage]

That's just what I mean. "The hairstyle controversy" seems quite trivial to me compared to the ridiculous amount of work that is evident in every other aspect of the game. We're talking about fully customised outfits for every party member for almost every kind of armour. Far, FAR more dialogue and meaningful conversation choices. A completely fixed loot system compared to DA:O and DA2. A fully featured equipment customisation suite that rivals Skyrim and far outstrips anything Bioware has done before. These are massive parts of the game. 

 

It boggles the mind that people get so fixated on what are really quite tiny gaps in the graphical assets for the game (why only one set of pyjamas for Skyhold, why only X amount of hairstyles, etc.) when almost every other kind of content has been increased by orders of magnitude.

 

You're right, it is legitimate to criticise aspects like the insufficient hairstyles. I personally have criticised the Skyhold outfit a lot, as I think you're wearing it for too much of the game for it to look that terrible. 

 

But for me, in the context of the game as a whole, it's a tiny gripe. 

 

I get that it's not going to be everyone's favourite RPG, because I fully understand the special place some RPGs can occupy in our hearts, especially if they were the first big one we embarked on (that's what BG2 was for me). I just wanted this to be a thread where people could come and say that they actually loved this game, because I'm seeing an astonishing amount of negativity about the game, much of it objectively unwarranted. 

Again, I'm not arguing the good aspects of the game. They did excel at a lot of things and they did vastly improve a lot too! But the important part here isn't so much that there aren't enough hairs (there aren't) - it's that there are fewer options and worse options compared to previous titles. So, if you'll praise the game for improving things its predecessors had (and go ahead, that's good), we can also criticize aspects that have devolved.

 

If this was a standalone game, it would be a different story, even if I'd still think the hair sucked. But in my opinion, it's unacceptable to do worse than before when it comes to something as simple as this.

[Eelectrica]

OP whilst I have certainly played better RPG's I'll defend your right to think this or any other is the best.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Bioware should hire a cleaning guy. I've just slipped on some squirts.

[Al Foley]

Third best game have ever played.  

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Third best game have ever played.  

You're genius. 

Dragon Age: Inquisition is the third best game in the franchise so far. *fixed*

[Al Foley]

You're genius. 

Dragon Age: Inquisition is the third best game in the franchise so far. *fixed*

Ha I was surprised to see that you liked my post given your opinions but should known you be trollin.  

[Juggie MacBrodleteen]

You're genius. 

Dragon Age: Inquisition is the third best game in the franchise so far. *fixed*

 

Now, now, whatever our gripes with DAI may be, let us not forget DA2 here. As far from Origins as it may be, it's still quite ahead of 2.

[Al Foley]

Now, now, whatever our gripes with DAI may be, let us not forget DA2 here. As far from Origins as it may be, it's still quite ahead of 2.

I liked 2 better then Origins...

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Now, now, whatever our gripes with DAI may be, let us not forget DA2 here. As far from Origins as it may be, it's still quite ahead of 2.

Not in the means of story and writing, which i personally consider the basis of the RPG.

[BabyPuncher]

If Inquisition and DA2 appeared out of thin air with no context behind them, I would probably agree Inquisition is a better game. Marginally. Because of graphics and such, not story.

 

However, given the circumstances behind the two games, given the circumstances behind Inquisition, I feel confident saying Inquisition is worse. Worse in what it means for the direction BioWare is going. Worse in displaying how BioWare responds to incredibly serious criticisms. Worse in what it demonstrates the writers and other employees and capable of. (And more importantly, aren't capable of.)

[Saphiron123]

Too many fetch quests , too little story and companion interaction.

I want to love it , but I can't, it feels empty (especially in those huge maps with nothing but random mobs and fetch quests)

Basic stuff like tactics would have helped, instead we're stuck with ai that can't measure up.