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[Beama Beorhtost]

@Elhanan - As a professional archaeologist I would reccomend stop watching big budget movie and over the top NatGeo documentaries and begin reading some books, journals, and excavation reports. I may be living and working in London now but I was born and bred in Rome. Just so you understand why your claims about gladiator arenas made me just laugh-out-loud.

[Vanth]

Why should games be a moral arbiter anyway? Why do they need to have a moral message? One of the best things about the opening up of a more tolerant society in recent years is the ability to behave as one wants without condemnation or harassment. I am sure Bioware would agree with this in principle, but then they shove a moral agenda down our throats and allow no deviation. My morality may differ from your morality. I don't try to dictate your morality and I would prefer if you didn't dictate mine. So please let's give the player the freedom to behave however they want in their private world where their decisions affect no-one but themselves. 

[Elhanan]

i've seen star wars, never felt the urge to beat people with neon light tho. anyway...
maybe being amoral in game is another way of escapism? violence in games may be as well a way to channel aggression, not a cause for violence IRL. same goes with morality in RPGs.
 
games are software, true - but something as essential as NPC's/PC's amorality is not a bug to be fixed. games are the only example (i can think of) of artistic expression that is being censored, because i refuse to believe negative personality traits are not included due to time limit/laziness of devs/rain.
 
isn't limiting choice because of the demands of majority a form of discrimination?
or maybe it's the cause of widening target audience? in that case - thank the Maker for indies, they don't give a crap.

Personally, am fine with managing a lot of the problems myself as an invested consumer. Set Gore setting to Low, avoid situations in game that will yield objectionable sexual content, and avoid NPC's that curse. If the games had a profanity filter that would replace written language with asterisks, and spoken language with dead air, that would be fine. But this is doubtful; do not expect it to be implemented.

If the gore cannot be lowered, the scenes of objectionable sexual content is not avoidable, and profanity is commonplace, it is easier for me to pass on the purchase.

It would be grand if the games were self censored; restricted themselves from such materials. But for now, this is the path I choose to take. It makes for lesser titles that I play, esp as I rarely play genres outside of CRPG's, but it works for now.

[Elhanan]

@Elhanan - As a professional archaeologist I would reccomend stop watching big budget movie and over the top NatGeo documentaries and begin reading some books, journals, and excavation reports. I may be living and working in London now but I was born and bred in Rome. Just so you understand why your claims about gladiator arenas made me just laugh-out-loud.

As a biblical scholar with a decent assortment of reference materials including a couple of archaeological texts, am rather secure in the general knowledge of those times. Am no professional, but am informed. And I do not have cable, but thanks for the suggestion.

And professional archaeologists denied the existence of many claims, including the city of Nineveh; well, until they eventually located it.

[Elhanan]

Why should games be a moral arbiter anyway? Why do they need to have a moral message? One of the best things about the opening up of a more tolerant society in recent years is the ability to behave as one wants without condemnation or harassment. I am sure Bioware would agree with this in principle, but then they shove a moral agenda down our throats and allow no deviation. My morality may differ from your morality. I don't try to dictate your morality and I would prefer if you didn't dictate mine. So please let's give the player the freedom to behave however they want in their private world where their decisions affect no-one but themselves.

Toleration is a path that should be travelled in both directions; not a stream that flows in a single current.

[Bioware-Critic]

Yes i agree, i should be flogged those were off the top of my head that i really loved, there are many more i loved and enjoyed, that said how i forgot Drakensang i have no idea it is a great series.

 

Writing from phone ... 

 

Thank you for your cool reply! 

That puts a big smile on my face

(AWESOME GAMES )

[Beama Beorhtost]

Elhanan, just a quick answer as I'm at work and need to keep writing my report.

 

Please, leave the bible out of it. Frankly, leave any chronicle or religious text out as history has always been written by, and for, the ruling elites. I don't deny that they are based on events, but this tend to be distorted. There is still a lot that we don't know about historical societies because of that, and you cannot bunch antiquaries together with modern archaeologists. All the sciences that we can apply today (e.g., satellite surveys, DNA analysis, C14 dating, geoarchaeological analysis, etc.) is driving our understanding of ancient society very far from the 19th and 20th century theories and objectives. As an example, looks at how our views of Neanderthal people has changed from the initial 19th century assessment of the species.

 

And if you're interested in Eastern societies I still will advise reading journals as you get so much more informations, especially on recent discoveries.

 

I'm out now, back to my journal round-up

[Terodil]

It would be grand if the games were self censored; restricted themselves from such materials. But for now, this is the path I choose to take. It makes for lesser titles that I play, esp as I rarely play genres outside of CRPG's, but it works for now.

Uh, I'm thanking the spaghetti monster on my knees that your wish has not come to pass (well, in its totality at least... as I said above, producers have already taken big steps in that direction). You are using big words about tolerance, but somehow you fail to realise that clamoring for self-censorship is just that... censorship, the opposite of tolerance.

Blimey.

I'm off to read a black mass, see you in a few.

[Elhanan]

Elhanan, just a quick answer as I'm at work and need to keep writing my report.
 
Please, leave the bible out of it. Frankly, leave any chronicle or religious text out as history has always been written by, and for, the ruling elites. I don't deny that they are based on events, but this tend to be distorted. There is still a lot that we don't know about historical societies because of that, and you cannot bunch antiquaries together with modern archaeologists. All the sciences that we can apply today (e.g., satellite surveys, DNA analysis, C14 dating, geoarchaeological analysis, etc.) is driving our understanding of ancient society very far from the 19th and 20th century theories and objectives. As an example, looks at how our views of Neanderthal people has changed from the initial 19th century assessment of the species.
 
And if you're interested in Eastern societies I still will advise reading journals as you get so much more informations, especially on recent discoveries.
 
I'm out now, back to my journal round-up

My B.A. is in Bible; tis a fact and not an opinion. I simply offered my background as a response to the professional archeological remark. Not planning to discuss it on these forums; nor wish to discuss archeology.

While DAI may not be the best CRPG I have played, it is high on my lists. And it most certainly is the best solo MMO I have experienced!

[Spellbound7]

isn't limiting choice because of the demands of majority a form of discrimination?

 

^THIS

[Zhen Dil Oloth]

Sorry did not read all 13 pages..... so If I repeat something already mentioned.... my bad,

 

Sadly..... the OP needs to stop smoking crack.

 

DA;I is far far behind games like

 

Baldur's Gate 1 and 2

Fallout 1, 2 and 3

Planescape Torment

Dragon Age; Origin

Dragon's Dogma

 

And I am sure I am forgetting to mention one or two games.

 

DA;I is sadly not unlike Fallout; New Vegas.

It has some good bits..... but is by far inferior to the previous games of the series.

DA;I is by far inferior to DA;O.

 

Or any other games that I have listed.

[Beama Beorhtost]

While DAI may not be the best CRPG I have played, it is high on my lists. And it most certainly is the best solo MMO I have experienced!

 

The bolded and underlined words are the reason why I did not like the game. I couldn't care less for MMO or sandbox games. I was assured by tweets and reviews that I was buying a (better and improved 'cause of new flashy engine) Bioware experience when I pre-ordered my deluxe copy (the day it was announced), not a mix&match, dumb down, souless version of DA which also does not work properly on my platform of choice.

[Lilithor]

I beg to differ, OP.

 

The best RPG I've ever played is Saints Row IV.

 

And don't even think about telling me that it isn't an RPG.. it is. It has romance options.

 

I'll state my reasons as to why SRIV is da best RPG eva:

 

1. I'm not stuck wearing fugly brown pyjamas - I have a range of different clothing to choose from.

2. Lots of hairstyle options.

3. I may not be able to choose my race, but I can wear an alien costume.

4. Lots of cool different weapons, such as the tentacle bat.

5. Fetch quests are fun.

6. Party members are easy to bonk -- I just go up to them and say, "let's bang".

7. If I hear a lame song (looking at you, Mother Giselle with your Dawn will come) I can just turn it off, or switch radio stations.

8. My player-character has a cool personality. I may not get dialogue options, but she's says everything I think anyway.

You actually made me wonder if trolling or not...
But clothing in Saints Row put the game on top of my RPG list
Also it is a lot more LGBT friendly than Inquisition since all clothes are wearable by men and women

[Elhanan]

Innsmouth Dweller, on 01 Apr 2015 - 04:59 AM, said:

isn't limiting choice because of the demands of majority a form of discrimination?

^THIS

And I contend that the inclusion of such material does not add beneficial content, but rather taints it. Like placing anchovies on a pizza; apologies to all that enjoy those cheese hidden salt tablets of death.

[Spellbound7]

And I contend that the inclusion of such material does not add beneficial content, but rather taints it. Like placing anchovies on a pizza; apologies to all that enjoy those cheese hidden salt tablets of death.

 

No one seems to have a problem with sex on tv. Are games somehow a lesser form of art or something? And as someone mentionned before, not everything has to exist solely for advancing the plot. Some elements exist to flesh out a world or scene. Your argument that sex scenes should not be included because you dislike them is a personal opinion, and yes, you should be allowed to say so. Arguing that it should be discarded because it 'taints' storytelling is simply false, just like anchovies do not taint a pizza. You simply dislike it.

[Elhanan]

No one seems to have a problem with sex on tv. Are games somehow a lesser form of art or something? And as someone mentionned before, not everything has to exist solely for advancing the plot. Some elements exist to flesh out a world or scene. Your argument that sex scenes should not be included because you dislike them is a personal opinion, and yes, you should be allowed to say so. Arguing that it should be discarded because it 'taints' storytelling is simply false, just like anchovies do not taint a pizza. You simply dislike it.

No one? I skip GoT, The Sopranos, Deadwood, and a myriad of other TV and films for the same reasons I pass on some games: profanity, and excess sex and violence. And based on the content advisories, I doubt I am alone.

And DAO is a fairly good example of how to maturely discuss matters of a sexual and violent nature without resorting to illustrating them. The scenes and poem of the Broodmother is one of the most memorable sections of the game, and sim tales are told in the Denerim Alienage and Haven.

Of course these are my opinions, but are worth no more or less than others. But I repeat, which betters the stories? BSN itself is a better forum than many because of Terms of Service restrictions and moderation; same could be applied to the games themselves.

[Doctorkepler]

People who has problems with sex and nudity are seriously messed up.

 

Sex is a natural thing and should have place anywhere anytime. 

[Elhanan]

People who has problems with sex are nudity are seriously messed up.
 
Sex is a natural thing and should have place anywhere anytime.

Do not have problems with either; have issues with excesses, public displays, and the lack of shame many seem to have outside the privacy of their own relationships, and generally their own homes.

Now back to the 100+ GOTY Award winning DAI....

[AlanC9]

DA;I is sadly not unlike Fallout; New Vegas.
It has some good bits..... but is by far inferior to the previous games of the series.

I dunno -- from what I've seen I'll take NV over FO2, which was awfully preposterous in places. Haven't played enough to rank it against FO1 yet.

[9TailsFox]

There is a very real difference between a joke and watching fictional people get it on. There's no reason that explicit sex scenes should be in games at all. They add nothing to the story and nothing to the gameplay. As I said, it's MY preference. If some other weirdo wants to watch fake characters hump each other that's their business but don't act like it's such highbrow art and story content. It's stupid smut to draw in loser teenage boys. 

There's no reason that kill finishing moves scenes should be in games at all. They add nothing to the story and nothing to the gameplay. But for some reason people ask them to be in game.

[BabyPuncher]

There's no reason that kill finishing moves scenes should be in games at all. They add nothing to the story and nothing to the gameplay. But for some reason people ask them to be in game.

 

They make the gameplay a lot more exciting and gratifying.

[VickVeel]

I still liked origins the best, since it was moddable.