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[VickVeel]

I'm liking this game a lot, except for one thing and unfortunately it's a big thing

[Archerwarden]

^ If such a case were true, then CRPG's would not have arrived to this point at all. Simply put, because most earlier games did not have the graphical capability to include nudity and sexual exhibitions. Most did not even have romances as far as I recall.

The lack of such material does not equate to bland storytelling.

Its the atmosphere in relation to the world building and storytelling. In DAO we had very nice animation of the Lady of Forest and Desire Demons, armour that looked strong, graphics for attacking the enemy were very well done. I think it does make a difference to the story to see the visual animation.

The Witcher series had adult, mature themes. Reviewing the video before hand should have alerted potential customers of this. The content is there and the player is given a choice whether to partake or not. That I like.

One of the reasons I like to play RPG'(as well as read fantasy, sci-fi) is the world building, character building, story building. Games let you see the story, world building, characters and me as the player is in that world. Romance scenes or gory graphics or Zena/Hercules apparel may not add directly to the storytelling but they do add to the visual world building, sometimes story and character building as well, and what I don't want to see is a developer shy away because someone finds it too offensive.

[Elhanan]

Its the atmosphere in relation to the world building and storytelling. In DAO we had very nice animation of the Lady of Forest and Desire Demons, armour that looked strong, graphics for attacking the enemy were very well done. I think it does make a difference to the story to see the visual animation.

The Witcher series had adult, mature themes. Reviewing the video before hand should have alerted potential customers of this. The content is there and the player is given a choice whether to partake or not. That I like.

One of the reasons I like to play RPG'(as well as read fantasy, sci-fi) is the world building, character building, story building. Games let you see the story, world building, characters and me as the player is in that world. Romance scenes or gory graphics or Zena/Hercules apparel may not add directly to the storytelling but they do add to the visual world building, sometimes story and character building as well, and what I don't want to see is a developer shy away because someone finds it too offensive.

Again, I have no qualms with appealing costumes. It is the lack of them for no reason that I question. And based on reports, not all the sexual aspects in TW series are optional, not to mention unnecessary.

And world crafting and storytelling are what RPG's are made from, but not everything has to be revealed graphically. The revelation of rape concerning the Broodmothers in DAO was a mature and expert way of dealing with the topic, and allowed the imagination of the Player visualize what had occurred; also made Branka appear rather vile. A visual depiction is not required, and may even harm the story. The monsters of the mind are quite often more terrifying than what can be depicted on film.

Have no problems with a great RPG; have issues with what it may contain.

[Teddie Sage]

I'm liking this game a lot, except for one thing and unfortunately it's a big thing

That's a bit vague...

[TheElderGamer]

Agreed this game is great. I like it very much.  It is not perfect. The fetch stuff gets on my nerves and I don't do very few of the requisition quests because they are repetitive and don't really add anything to the game other than frustration when they don't work or you can not complete them. But still they did great with many aspects of the game. I really enjoyed it BioWare. 

[9TailsFox]

Again, I have no qualms with appealing costumes. It is the lack of them for no reason that I question. And based on reports, not all the sexual aspects in TW series are optional, not to mention unnecessary.

And world crafting and storytelling are what RPG's are made from, but not everything has to be revealed graphically. The revelation of rape concerning the Broodmothers in DAO was a mature and expert way of dealing with the topic, and allowed the imagination of the Player visualize what had occurred; also made Branka appear rather vile. A visual depiction is not required, and may even harm the story. The monsters of the mind are quite often more terrifying than what can be depicted on film.

Have no problems with a great RPG; have issues with what it may contain.

But this is why VIDEO games are great. it's not a book you don't need to imagine, you can see. It's like DA:I war table missions, are  so great even better when actual missions. Like Cullen helping Aveline defend Kirkwall from Sebastian forces. It's nice storytelling for people who played DA:2, but so what Cullen having fun not we players. If I want use my imagination I read books, I play video games to see. When I play DA:I at times I feel like it's visual novel, and it's not compliment. It's better to see once when be told ten times.

[Elhanan]

But this is why VIDEO games are great. it's not a book you don't need to imagine, you can see. It's like DA:I war table missions, are  so great even better when actual missions. Like Cullen helping Aveline defend Kirkwall from Sebastian forces. It's nice storytelling for people who played DA:2, but so what Cullen having fun not we players. If I want use my imagination I read books, I play video games to see. When I play DA:I I feel like visual novel, and it's not compliment, because I like It's better to see once when be told ten times.

DAO was a video game, and the same rules apply for films and shows. What is imagined by he viewer is often more mysterious and horrible than what can be depicted visually. The Cat People, rare aliens on various shows that are never revealed, lengthy set-ups for King Kong and other monsters, etc.

As for not wishing to use the imagination for a RPG, that is on the Player; not the game. My sympathies....

[TevinterSupremacist]

I specifically said explicit sex scenes. I think we can all agree that scenes and dialogue making clear sex occurs are very important. The question is only whether the story should explicitly show it.

There is no question. Case a, developer wants it in, it should be included. Case b, developer doesn't want it in, it shouldn't be included. There's nothing beyond that.

[Hazegurl]

It's true. There's no reason the story needs to explicitly show sex. The idea that if we don't see it, it doesn't happen is nonsensical.

Not true.  Sex scenes, explicit or not are a part of the storytelling.  Saying that it shouldn't be in the game or movie is like saying it shouldn't be in books either.  The only difference between an explicit sex scene in a book vs movie or game is that one is written on pages and imaged in the reader's minds and the other does the same thing only in a visual format. 

[Elhanan]

There is no question. Case a, developer wants it in, it should be included. Case b, developer doesn't want it in, it shouldn't be included. There's nothing beyond that.

Agreed; the Devs have a right to implement the content they desire.

However, as some Players may be aware, feedback can play an important role in such content (eg; ME3). And as a consumer, I reserve the right to refuse purchase of said games, books, films, etc that include what is deemed as objectionable material, as well as voice my opinions on the matter if possible. It is my hope that in future Bioware products that less is more, and repeat the outstanding storytelling of DAO.

[TevinterSupremacist]

It is perfectly ok for customers to choose with their wallets. It's also perfectly ok for people to come in this forum and voice their mind, ask for more of x and less of y. All perfectly good.

 

The laughable part starts when people think their personal (or someone else's or a group's) tastes are enough to deem some type of content as "questionable" or "objectionable" or something like that. It's just content someone dislikes, nothing more.

[Elhanan]

It is perfectly ok for customers to choose with their wallets. It's also perfectly ok for people to come in this forum and voice their mind, ask for more of x and less of y. All perfectly good.
 
The laughable part starts when people think their personal (or someone else's or a group's) tastes are enough to deem some type of content as "questionable" or "objectionable" or something like that. It's just content someone dislikes, nothing more.

Depends on the indv and/ or organization. Bioware has deemed a higher standard of conduct in their forums; more so than their games. Social media has their own Terms of Service, as does Search engines, editors, publishers, vid sites like Hulu, Amazon, Netflix, etc. And as indv's, we all judge in some way what is best for us, be it anchovies, smoking, alcohol, etc.

Currently, Bioware places almost all objectionable material as optional; this does not seem to be the case with other games. TW3 appears to be a beautiful, well crafted game, but because of the lack of a pause feature and the inclusion of such objectionable content, I will not see it, as well as others that hold a sim opinion.

[TevinterSupremacist]

TW3 appears to be a beautiful, well crafted game, but because of the lack of a pause feature and the inclusion of such objectionable content, I will not see it, as well as others that hold a sim opinion.

You do realise that TW3's content isn't objectively objectionable and that's just your personal tastes talking, right?

[Elhanan]

You do realise that TW3's content isn't objectively objectionable and that's just your personal tastes talking, right?

I am aware that the ESRB rating group made such content information available, and as an informed consumer, I choose not to support it. However, I still have hope that a future project by this team will offer content that will allow me to choose differently.

[TevinterSupremacist]

I am aware that the ESRB rating group made such content information available, and as an informed consumer, I choose not to support it. However, I still have hope that a future project by this team will offer content that will allow me to choose differently.

I am a big fan of a yes or no answer to yes or no questions, at least as an intro to to the rest of the answer.

 

I'm going to interpret yours as a yes.

[Dread-Reaper]

TW3 appears to be a beautiful, well crafted game, but because of the lack of a pause feature and the inclusion of such objectionable content, I will not see it, as well as others that hold a sim opinion.

All sex scenes in TW games are optional and can be skipped. For TW3, as far as I know, the opening scene is the only one where you are forced into a sex scene, I'm sure you can skip it though. However the games does feature a brutal dismemberment system, something I am loving every time I see it, which I don't think can be disabled, so I can see why the squeamish might be turned off from the game. 

[Elhanan]

All sex scenes in TW games are optional and can be skipped. For TW3, as far as I know, the opening scene is the only one where you are forced into a sex scene, I'm sure you can skip it though. However the games does feature a brutal dismemberment system, something I am loving every time I see it, which I don't think can be disabled, so I can see why the squeamish might be turned off from the game.

This differs from other reports in TW2, I believe; PC was already in a relationship or like scene, and it was part of the story.

And without a pause system, it is doubtful that could play the combat system anyway.

[Dread-Reaper]

This differs from other reports in TW2, I believe; PC was already in a relationship or like scene, and it was part of the story.

And without a pause system, it is doubtful that could play the combat system anyway.

I don't know where you are getting these other reports from, but they are wrong. Excluding the opening of The Witcher 2 (which you can skip, like all cutscenes) there are no forced sex scenes.

 

Shame you won't be able to enjoy the combat, I don't know if you play on PC or not, but maybe there will be a mod that allows you to pause combat and disable the gore.

[Arreyanne]

NO i can't say that. DA:O was better and so was DA:2. Not to mention that game from Poland

[Vanth]

Not true.  Sex scenes, explicit or not are a part of the storytelling.  Saying that it shouldn't be in the game or movie is like saying it shouldn't be in books either.  The only difference between an explicit sex scene in a book vs movie or game is that one is written on pages and imaged in the reader's minds and the other does the same thing only in a visual format. 

 

To be honest, I would rather not have it in books either. Why not leave it to our imaginations?

[Archerwarden]

To be honest, I would rather not have it in books either. Why not leave it to our imaginations?

It depends on how well the romance scenes are done. In TW2 I thought the scene in the beginning and the Rose of Remembrance scene was tastefully done, added to the story, and relationship development between Geralt & Triss.

@ Dread-Reaper - huh. Didn't even know there was a skip option. Choices - always good.

Edited: oops - guess I can't wait.

[helpthisguyplease]

^TW3 was not released yet so what are you talking about?

[Archerwarden]

And world crafting and storytelling are what RPG's are made from, but not everything has to be revealed graphically. The revelation of rape concerning the Broodmothers in DAO was a mature and expert way of dealing with the topic, and allowed the imagination of the Player visualize what had occurred; also made Branka appear rather vile. A visual depiction is not required, and may even harm the story. The monsters of the mind are quite often more terrifying than what can be depicted on film.

Oh I agree with you there. That entire sequence of events- walking to the broodmother while Hespith was talking - brilliant writing, VO, directing, graphics. Not sure the scene would have had the same emotional horror impact if revealed graphically.

DAO did a wonderful job in balancing.

[Hazegurl]

To be honest, I would rather not have it in books either. Why not leave it to our imaginations?

 

Why can't murder be left to our imagination?

Why can't fighting be left to our imagination?

Why can't abuse be left to our imagination?

Why can't war be left to our imagination?

 

See where I'm going?

 

Like it or not, sex is a natural part of human relationships and can be used as a good source of character development and establishing the relationship between characters.  Let's say you do skip the sex scene and only imagine what the sex is like between the characters, but then the characters describe it as something totally different than what you had pictured which changes your entire idea if the bond the characters shared.  What if you pictured a loving scene where there was none, or if there was a sense of subtly in the character's actions during the act which foreshadows another event down the line?  Sex is just as useful and valid as a storytelling tool as everything else.