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[Fireheart]

Even with a gun to my head, I would not say dai is the best rpg... It is the only game, only product I truly hate. It's different from other things. I may hate Skyrim but I don't deny that it might be a good game and many people like it, but when I hear someone say how they love and enjoy dai, I question myself what their age is, whether they might have some kind of mental deficiency, some explanation... Because I feel no one with any sense could like this game...

No offense to anyone though, but that's just how I feel. I don't respect dai, at all. It's not an insult to people really, but to the game itself. I will admit that I started a second playthrough of the game, because I was so upset after I finished it the first time, thinking to myself, "there's no way I could hate the game that much, I should give it another chance". I started that pt in February and now in April I still remain right before Arbor Wilds. I will say that I have enjoyed this pt much more than the first time, especially now that I'm playing a warrior instead of a wimpy mage, however I've played on and off. My first pt, I played everyday and finished it Jan 1-7. This is the key to enjoying the game imo. You shouldn't take the game seriously, it's better when you play it over a long period of time, treating it as a casual game like candy crush or bejewled blitz, instead of thinking of it as a real rpg. On this second pt, I've reached over 100 hrs. I've cleared almost every map, only have Emprise and Forbidden Oasis left, all WT missions also completed. First pt was 70, although 10 of those were spent wandering in the Hinterlands. I even have a half playthrough that I finished at uhh, somewhere between 40-50 can't remember the exact time...

So yeah, just don't take the game too seriously and you'll be fine...

[In Exile]

You need a pill of chill. It'll help with the unbearable sense of superiority you feel because of what video-games you like. It's okay. There's help out there. 

[Andraste_Reborn]

may hate Skyrim but I don't deny that it might be a good game and many people like it, but when I hear someone say how they love and enjoy dai, I question myself what their age is, whether they might have some kind of mental deficiency, some explanation... Because I feel no one with any sense could like this game...

 

I'm thirty-five and I'm told I'm pretty smart, and I love it. Amazingly, people can have different taste in games and still have perfectly functional brains.

 

(Well, OK, full disclosure, I have a mental illness. I'm pretty sure that's not why I like DAI, though. It may be why I make a face when people on message boards call fans of games they don't like mentally deficient, though ...)

[Innsmouth Dweller]

he's not calling fans of DAI mentally deficient. he asks for explanation and that's one of possibilities he came up with /shrug

 

you people are touchy, geez

[Il Divo]

he's not calling fans of DAI mentally deficient. he asks for explanation and that's one of possibilities he came up with /shrug

 

you people are touchy, geez

He might want to turn those comments back on himself then. He's clearly too emotionally invested to have any kind of rational judgment. "I hate DA:I with every fiber of my soul". Really? This is a piece of entertainment we're talking about. If he's not merely venting, I think he needs more help than the DA:I fans. 

[Deadmac]

If you always think the opposite of critics, then you must have hated DA:O too.

 

When I first bought "Dragon Age: Origins", three years after release, I didn’t have any prior knowledge of the game. I made a spontaneous purchase. Whenever I saw the game on the shelf, I awkwardly hesitated to pick up the box. “Dragon Age: Origins” was not a priority purchase.

 

As a result of enjoying “Dragon Age: Origins”, I decided to go out and buy “Dragon Age: Awakening”. While I was running through “Dragon Age: Awakening”, I felt that the game lacked the spark of “Origins”. At the heart of the original game, the origin stories kept me motivated and invested.

 

…and, then came “Dragon Age II”. I bought “Dragon Age II” approximately two years after release. Once the game hit the $19.99 mark, I decided to go out and buy the game. “Dragon Age II” solidified the problems I saw in “Dragon Age: Awakening”. BioWare was becoming a boring storyteller, and they were quickly running out of ideas.

 

So, why did I buy “Dragon Age: Inquisition”? I wanted to see if BioWare, the company that made “Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic”, “Jade Empire”, and “Dragon Age: Origins”, still existed. I wanted to believe that “Dragon Age: Awakening” and “Dragon Age II” were just bumps in the road. I was wrong.

 

Unlike the original company that existed, between 2003 and 2009, the new company has become a shadow of its former self.

 

As far as I am personally concerned, “Dragon Age: Inquisition” didn’t win game of the year because of quality. “Dragon Age: Inquisition” won game of the year, for it was designed as a form of social activism. Instead of creating a fun and exciting game, BioWare turned “Dragon Age” into a massive political statement about sexuality, gender, and religion. Even though I personally don’t want games used for political purposes, I did want to give BioWare the benefit of the doubt. If BioWare could wrap a nice story around the activism, I could enjoy the game's approach to adding a little social context. I am a fan of "Star Trek". I enjoy stories about the human condition.

 

So, what happened? BioWare ultimately killed the “Dragon Age: Origins” brand, so they can emulate the success of “Oblivion”, “FallOut” and “Skyrim”. Although “Oblivion”, “FallOut” and “Skyrim” are awesome games, subjectively speaking, I really wanted to play a “Dragon Age: Origins” type of game. I want to run through dungeons, pick up awesome gear, and save the world.

 

What did I get? Instead of running through dungeons, I got resource gathering (grinding), timegates, and lackluster storytelling. I also got a pc game in which acts like a console game. If I wanted a game that emulated MMORPGs, I would have just installed a ‘Free2Play’ game.

 

BioWare has become too serious, boring, and politically driven.

 

I want to play a fun, whimsical, and exciting pc game in which does not take itself too seriously.

 

“Dragon Age: Inquisition” is beautifully (graphically) boring (story).

[Elhanan]

No bias here....
 

[Deadmac]

No bias here....
 

 

What is your point? Everyone is biased. Our individual likes and dislikes makes us unique.

[Elhanan]

What is your point? Everyone is biased. Our individual likes and dislikes makes us unique.

Bias:

1. a particular tendency, trend, inclination, feeling, or opinion, especially one that is preconceived or unreasoned.

Note the unreasoned and preconceived notation. If one has a predetermined outlook, and/ or unreasonable conclusion based on these held opinions, it does not have as much merit as a more informed and open minded take on the material. IMO, of course.

[AlanC9]

When I first bought "Dragon Age: Origins", three years after release, I didn’t have any prior knowledge of the game. I made a spontaneous purchase. Whenever I saw the game on the shelf, I awkwardly hesitated to pick up the box. “Dragon Age: Origins” was not a priority purchase.

So you didn't read the reviews before buying? Lucky for you, I guess. If you'd seen the reviews you would have skipped it, since you always think the opposite of critics, right?
 

As far as I am personally concerned, “Dragon Age: Inquisition” didn’t win game of the year because of quality. “Dragon Age: Inquisition” won game of the year, for it was designed as a form of social activism. Instead of creating a fun and exciting game, BioWare turned “Dragon Age” into a massive political statement about sexuality, gender, and religion. Even though I personally don’t want games used for political purposes, I did want to give BioWare the benefit of the doubt. If BioWare could wrap a nice story around the activism, I could enjoy the game's approach to adding a little social context. I am a fan of "Star Trek". I enjoy stories about the human condition.

You primarily dislike DAI for.... this?

[Shevy]

Even with a gun to my head, I would not say dai is the best rpg... It is the only game, only product I truly hate with every fibre of my soul. It's different from other things. I may hate Skyrim but I don't deny that it might be a good game and many people like it, but when I hear someone say how they love and enjoy dai, I question myself what their age is, whether they might have some kind of mental deficiency, some explanation... Because I feel no one with any sense could like this game...

No offense to anyone though, but that's just how I feel. I don't respect dai, at all. It's not an insult to people really, but to the game itself. I will admit that I started a second playthrough of the game, because I was so upset after I finished it the first time, thinking to myself, "there's no way I could hate the game that much, I should give it another chance". I started that pt in February and now in April I still remain right before Arbor Wilds. I will say that I have enjoyed this pt much more than the first time, especially now that I'm playing a warrior instead of a wimpy mage, however I've played on and off. My first pt, I played everyday and finished it Jan 1-7. This is the key to enjoying the game imo. You shouldn't take the game seriously, it's better when you play it over a long period of time, treating it as a casual game like candy crush or bejewled blitz, instead of thinking of it as a real rpg. On this second pt, I've reached over 100 hrs. I've cleared almost every map, only have Emprise and Forbidden Oasis left, all WT missions also completed. First pt was 70, although 10 of those were spent wandering in the Hinterlands. I even have a half playthrough that I finished at uhh, somewhere between 40-50 can't remember the exact time...

So yeah, just don't take the game too seriously and you'll be fine...

This is something I never understood. You are hating the game and have been hating it during your first playthrough and then spent another ~150 hours? Self torture? I only see one person without "any sense".

 

I'm seeing such statements from time to time and it's strange every time. "Product X is boring from the beginning but I invested countless hours". Why?

[Fireheart]

This is something I never understood. You are hating the game and have been hating it during your first playthrough and then spent another ~150 hours? Self torture? I only see one person without "any sense".

 

I'm seeing such statements from time to time and it's strange every time. "Product X is boring from the beginning but I invested countless hours". Why?

I explained why in the post...

[Shevy]

I explained why in the post...

Yes, but I can't follow this logic. You invested 70 hours for the first playthrough in a game you hated. Then, you went back in for another 150 hours. While they weren't so bad as before, since you are hating it still they weren't too enjoyable. That makes 220 unenjoyable hours of your life for a hated product. This is above my mind.

 

I disliked DA II - and how it seems not so much like you are doing it with DA:I - and barely finished it once to see how the story ends. I would've never started a second playthrough because the first was a chore enough for life.

[Aulis Vaara]

I want to play a fun, whimsical, and exciting pc game in which does not take itself too seriously.

I like most of your post, but you do realize that this is not at all what Dragon Age: Origins is, right? DA:O is serious and compelling and not afraid to kick you in the balls if you **** up, and that's part of what I love about it.

 

I'm seeing such statements from time to time and it's strange every time. "Product X is boring from the beginning but I invested countless hours". Why?

Because the IP is still compelling. Just because this story is boring, doesn't mean the world is not compelling, nor does it mean that you don't want your questions about the world answered.

[otis0310]

No bias here....
 

 

 

I would agree with you, if you were not trying to be sarcastic. Because bascially . . . there is no bias here at all, only personal opinion.

 

 

As you said bias means a preconcieved or unreasonable opininon.  The poster is not the bashing the game beacuse EA sucks therefore so does the game, nor is he praising the game because he made it therefore it must be good. If it was either one of these he would indeed be biased.

 

The point is  he did not form his opinion BEFORE he bought the game and played it.  A preconcieved, or biased opinion, would by definition mean that his opinion was, in part at least, made BEFORE even trying the game.  That is the defintion of PRECONCIEVED.

 

In fact the only supposedly biased statements I think he made was that he bought the game based on the fact he liked its prequel, and that he bought the game based on liking some of Biowares earlier work, like Jade Empire.  This is called brand recognition, we all buy products we like based on prior experience from the company in question, that is not being biased.

 

I will admit that he stated the company was a shadow of its former glory.  However he implies that he came to this decision AFTER buying the game, not BEFORE.  And coming to a conclusion like that after buying a company's product is hardly a PRECONCIEVED idea, in fact it is the opposite, it is an opinion formed afterword. It would only be PRECONCIEVED if he game to that conclusion BEFORE buying the game.

 

So I challenge you to quote where he made up his mind about the game being bad BEFORE he played it.  Because if it was made up afterwords it is not a preconcieved idea and therefore not biased.

 

Unless his statements are unreasonable, but in truth he gave good reasons why he did not like it, not unreasonable ones.  He quotes the bad story telling, the mmo style of the game, the time sinks, and  the grinding for resources as valid points as to why he does not like the game.  While you might personally disagree with those points, that does not make his argument unreasonable, just not the same as yours.  In fact those are the very points most people on this forum complain about.

 

So again according to the definition of the word Bias, as you pointed out, I see absolutely no evidence of this.

[Fireheart]

Yes, but I can't follow this logic. You invested 70 hours for the first playthrough in a game you hated. Then, you went back in for another 150 hours. While they weren't so bad as before, since you are hating it still they weren't too enjoyable. That makes 220 unenjoyable hours of your life for a hated product. This is above my mind.

 

I disliked DA II - and how it seems not so much like you are doing it with DA:I - and barely finished it once to see how the story ends. I would've never started a second playthrough because the first was a chore enough for life.

I never played it for 220 hours, where are you getting your time from? I play it anyway because it is dragon age and if there is something important in the game that will connect it to a future da game, I want to make sure I get that done.

[AlanC9]

Because the IP is still compelling. Just because this story is boring, doesn't mean the story is not compelling, nor does it mean that you want your questions about the world answered.

Wouldn't this situation be the time to look at a LP video?

[Elhanan]

I would agree with you, if you were not trying to be sarcastic. Because bascially . . . there is no bias here at all, only personal opinion.
 
 
As you said bias means a preconcieved or unreasonable opininon.  The poster is not the bashing the game beacuse EA sucks therefore so does the game, nor is he praising the game because he made it therefore it must be good. If it was either one of these he would indeed be biased.
 
The point is  he did not form his opinion BEFORE he bought the game and played it.  A preconcieved, or biased opinion, would by definition mean that his opinion was, in part at least, made BEFORE even trying the game.  That is the defintion of PRECONCIEVED.
 
In fact the only supposedly biased statements I think he made was that he bought the game based on the fact he liked its prequel, and that he bought the game based on liking some of Biowares earlier work, like Jade Empire.  This is called brand recognition, we all buy products we like based on prior experience from the company in question, that is not being biased.
 
I will admit that he stated the company was a shadow of its former glory.  However he implies that he came to this decision AFTER buying the game, not BEFORE.  And coming to a conclusion like that after buying a company's product is hardly a PRECONCIEVED idea, in fact it is the opposite, it is an opinion formed afterword. It would only be PRECONCIEVED if he game to that conclusion BEFORE buying the game.
 
So I challenge you to quote where he made up his mind about the game being bad BEFORE he played it.  Because if it was made up afterwords it is not a preconcieved idea and therefore not biased.
 
Unless his statements are unreasonable, but in truth he gave good reasons why he did not like it, not unreasonable ones.  He quotes the bad story telling, the mmo style of the game, the time sinks, and  the grinding for resources as valid points as to why he does not like the game.  While you might personally disagree with those points, that does not make his argument unreasonable, just not the same as yours.  In fact those are the very points most people on this forum complain about.
 
So again according to the definition of the word Bias, as you pointed out, I see absolutely no evidence of this.

Believe the poster had determined that "Unlike the original company that existed, between 2003 and 2009, the new company has become a shadow of its former self." Seems to have formed an opinion as early as 2009.

The poster states that he was already disappointed with DAA and DA2, yet "I wanted to see if BioWare, the company that made “Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic”, “Jade Empire”, and “Dragon Age: Origins”, still existed. I wanted to believe that “Dragon Age: Awakening” and “Dragon Age II” were just bumps in the road. I was wrong." With a predetermined opinion, the poster makes the purchase anyway with prejudice.

The poster then offers this: "Instead of creating a fun and exciting game, BioWare turned “Dragon Age” into a massive political statement about sexuality, gender, and religion." Really? Where is the evidence of this PC conspiracy, as I certainly do not have that content in my game. Seems unreasonable to me; possibly others, too.

The remaining is that the poster does not believe that DAI as a solo MMO was what they wanted, and could not compare with other 'awesome' games that are similar. Seems like an uninformed opinion to me; one that was already formed, too.

[Deadmac]

Believe the poster had determined that...

I think you made a mistake at the beginning. Instead of stating your likes and dislikes, you tried to discredit my personal perspective. If you had brought up some positives, stuff I have not considered, I may have agreed with your counter reply.

...but, you choose, paraphrase, "You're biased."

Within all reality and logic, everyone's opinion, including my own, is subjective. While I may like the color blue, you might like the color purple. As I originally said in my initial reply, our differences enrich the diverse nature of our species. If we all agreed on everything, the world would be a boring place.

You may have thought you were being cleaver: however, you are just pissed that someone holds a different opinion. What was that word you used? Prejudice.

[Aulis Vaara]

Wouldn't this situation be the time to look at a LP video?

 

If you haven't bought the game yet, definitely, however, if you already own it, you may as well play through yourself and do the things that you want to know more about. It's not like they don't both take up the same amount of time.

[Elhanan]

I think you made a mistake at the beginning. Instead of stating your likes and dislikes, you tried to discredit my personal perspective. If you had brought up some positives, stuff I have not considered, I may have agreed with your counter reply.

...but, you choose, paraphrase, "You're biased."

Within all reality and logic, everyone's opinion, including my own, is subjective. While I may like the color blue, you might like the color purple. As I originally said in my initial reply, our differences enrich the diverse nature of our species. If we all agreed on everything, the world would be a boring place.

You may have thought you were being cleaver: however, you are just pissed that someone holds a different opinion. What was that word you used? Prejudice.

Should edit that paraphrase to, "Your post appears biased.", and later I explained why it seems that way. And as mentioned, while everyone is entitled to an opinion, an informed one generally has more merit; tends to be the case when the POV is skewed by apparent bias.

There is little to nothing of which to prejudge, and I am certainly not angry. Again, it seems that the conclusion is flawed.

As to the topic, while DAI may not be as good as DAO, it is seemingly better than DA2; a nice save by Bioware, IMO.

[9TailsFox]

Should edit that paraphrase to, "Your post appears biased.", and later I explained why it seems that way. And as mentioned, while everyone is entitled to an opinion, an informed one generally has more merit; tends to be the case when the POV is skewed by apparent bias.

There is little to nothing of which to prejudge, and I am certainly not angry. Again, it seems that the conclusion is flawed.

As to the topic, while DAI may not be as good as DAO, it is seemingly better than DA2; a nice save by Bioware, IMO.

How it's better. DA:I inqusition improved only on graphics and level design everything else downgraded.

Real side quests replaced by huge amount meaningless fetch quests.

Tactic removed, no auto attack. All gameplay in general just bad.

We have only few main quests separated by long gaps of busy work.

Skill bar become shorter only 8 skills.

Level not scaling. Game unbalanced.

...

Why do I even bother game is perfect for you.

[Elhanan]

How it's better. DA:I inqusition improved only on graphics and level design everything else downgraded.
Real side quests replaced by huge amount meaningless fetch quests.
Tactic removed, no auto attack. All gameplay in general just bad.
We have only few main quests separated by long gaps of busy work.
Skill bar become shorter only 8 skills.
Level not scaling. Game unbalanced.
...
Why do I even bother game is perfect for you.

Another flawed conclusion....

The term Fetch quest is used far too often. While not all Side-quests are top end, neither were many of the side-quests which were indeed Fetch or recovery quests, and these seemingly were more prevalent in DA2.

Tac-Cam mode appears to have Auto-attack, and believe that the latest patch may have added this to Action mode now. Still, did not have an issue with this myself. And while Tactics are lessened, the current system does work adequately with Behavior with tailored settings.

What some may see as Busy Work, others may see as bonus materials to further the entertainment in the game; even aid in immersion of the RPG. Personally, I prefer many of the area quests over attending the MQ ballroom in Orlais, but that is partially based on my own dislike over crowded venues.

It has been known for some time pre-launch that Lvl Scaling would not be a main function in the game. If one encountered a something to hazardous, a retreat until later might be advisable.

And as I also prefer more quick-slots, the prior Tactics, Player control for Attributes, less profanity and nudity, and some other issues (many of which can still be seen in posts made pre-launch), and have stated I liked DAO more, perfect is not the review I have given. The conclusion reached also appears to be biased, as well as incorrect.

[DaemionMoadrin]

Should edit that paraphrase to, "Your post appears biased.", and later I explained why it seems that way. And as mentioned, while everyone is entitled to an opinion, an informed one generally has more merit; tends to be the case when the POV is skewed by apparent bias.

There is little to nothing of which to prejudge, and I am certainly not angry. Again, it seems that the conclusion is flawed.

As to the topic, while DAI may not be as good as DAO, it is seemingly better than DA2; a nice save by Bioware, IMO.

 

Elhanan, every single post of yours is biased. You are the last one who gets to call others out for that.

 

You like the game and that's your basis for all your arguments. Bad UI? No, it's fine because you like it. Bad controls? No, it's fine because you have no problems. Issues with the storyline? No, it's fine because you spent hundreds of hours with the game and enjoyed it. Need I go on?

 

Do you have any idea how monumentally arrogant and condescending you sound when you say that you have an informed opinion and thus your voice in this forum has more merit than others? You are not the ultimate authority on anything here, your opinion is just that and you are not morally superior no matter what you might believe.

 

Your bias has derailed most threads, you most often do not contribute anything to a discussion and you ignore anything that doesn't fit into your worldview.

[Elhanan]

@ DaemionMoadrin

I use my experience in game to question other conclusions. My opinion generally is not worth more or less than another, so what some see as bad, I see as adequate and playable (eg; the GUI). But as I have placed in my sig, the DAGARS Award was granted to DAI for controls, so my opinion does not seem to be a lone one. And a large number of reviews praise the writing and storyline, so I am not alone in that either.

Edit: Believe I said informed opinions are worth more than biased and uninformed ones; this also applies to mine both ways. Again, more false conclusions.

As for the rest, again I recommend the Ignore function; seems to help my viewing pleasure. IMO, of course....