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[In Exile]

Your role is always going to be constraint. At the very least you'll be forced to invent a background consistent with the hook of the plot (you are going through region X). Oftentimes, it will be far more specific than that. Putting aside how BG1 gave you a mandatory biography, living at Candlekeep your entire life is relatively preset. Even if you're pure evil, you have to headcanon around that bit. 

[Rawgrim]

Your role is always going to be constraint. At the very least you'll be forced to invent a background consistent with the hook of the plot (you are going through region X). Oftentimes, it will be far more specific than that. Putting aside how BG1 gave you a mandatory biography, living at Candlekeep your entire life is relatively preset. Even if you're pure evil, you have to headcanon around that bit. 

 

Your set background is OK in that game, given the plot of the story. But still. It causes some issues. If you play a barbarian, for example, it gets all messed up. Barbarians gets a D12 for hitpoints because they have grown up in a harsh environment etc. Candlekeeps libraries are nothing like that, in all fairness.

[C0uncil0rTev0s]

Your set background is OK in that game, given the plot of the story. But still. It causes some issues. If you play a barbarian, for example, it gets all messed up. Barbarians gets a D12 for hitpoints because they have grown up in a harsh environment etc. Candlekeeps libraries are nothing like that, in all fairness.

Depends on the actual libraries. You've never seen ones that people get burned to ashes in?

[Medhia_Nox]

I enjoyed DA:I - but best cRPG of all time goes to NWN because it allows for the DM Client, Player Client, Toolset.  Roleplaying, with real people and everything, in a persistent world for 7 years.  

 

Tabletop gives me a lot of tolerance for cRPGs.

[Namea]

I strongly disagree with you there. RPGs have many roots and believe it or not, JRPGs can be just as good as western RPGs. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it should be discredited as an RPG, as many people who played it out there call it one of the best RPGs for its time. 

 

I'm not saying I don't like it. I actually do quite like it. However RPG means ROLE PLAYING GAME. There is no roleplaying involved in a JRPG

[Teddie Sage]

I'm not saying I don't like it. I actually do quite like it. However RPG means ROLE PLAYING GAME. There is no roleplaying involved in a JRPG

I disagree slightly again. Persona 3 and Persona 4 are good exemples of role playing. You make decisions, date different characters if you want, solve different issues and decide how you role play your main character. Other JRPGs are more simulation games with RPG elements like classes and stats.

[Rawgrim]

Depends on the actual libraries. You've never seen ones that people get burned to ashes in?

 

Well this one requires you to give them a book that is worth 10 000 gp just to be let into. Seems pretty protected and sheltered.

[bEVEsthda]

I disagree slightly again. Persona 3 and Persona 4 are good exemples of role playing. You make decisions, date different characters if you want, solve different issues and decide how you role play your main character. Other JRPGs are more simulation games with RPG elements like classes and stats.

 

Forgive me for not having a clue about Persona 3 and 4 - never played them - but did you not consider that they might not be JRPGs? Even if they were made in Japan? Why wouldn't Japanese developers be able to do wRPGs?

[Teddie Sage]

Forgive me for not having a clue about Persona 3 and 4 - never played them - but did you not consider that they might not be JRPGs? Even if they were made in Japan? Why wouldn't Japanese developers be able to do wRPGs?

Mmm... good point. The RPG roots run deeply in Canada, America, Europe and Japan. If you remove the W, the J and the E, they're all RPGs by definition. Things change, but they all got similar formulas that switch around other genres over time. Action RPGs, Adventure RPGs, Battle Simulation (Strategy Type) RPGs, classic PC RPGs, Japanese style RPGs... Persona 3 & 4 at the very core are JRPGs but they allow choices like people who like western RPGs like in their games. Plus it has some dating simulation aspect to them. To me, RPGs are still RPGs even when "playing a role" becomes vague, as long as it borrows elements from the genre. 

[CronoDragoon]

I think it's the best Dragon Age, but it'd barely crack Top Ten All-Time for me. I'd probably put Final Fantasy Tactics, Tactics Ogre LUCT, Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, Suikoden 3, Shadow Hearts: Covenant, Mass Effect 2/3 (if they are RPGs, yadda yadda), Persona 4, and KOTOR/KOTOR II above it. 

[Teddie Sage]

I think it's the best Dragon Age, but it'd barely crack Top Ten All-Time for me. I'd probably put Final Fantasy Tactics, Tactics Ogre LUCT, Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, Suikoden 3, Shadow Hearts: Covenant, Mass Effect 2/3 (if they are RPGs, yadda yadda), Persona 4, and KOTOR/KOTOR II above it. 

Suikoden III? ......... BESTIES! I'm in love with that franchise.
(Even have a soft spot for the fourth entry which people love to hate so much...)

[Bioware-Critic]

So if people criticize the game they are trolling?

 

You are making very silly assumptions ("play the game to death" lol what? I haven't played the game after my first playthrough)

 

I'm tired of fanboys like you who can't deal with any sort of criticism (apparently all criticisms are baseless) for a game they like 

and just brand everyone who doesn't like it as a troll and whiner

 

And regarding DA:I
I think its one of the worst RPG's I have ever played (and definitely the worst Bioware game)

Badly written & half assed story, huge but lifeless areas, crazy amount of fetch quest, bland protagonist with almost no RP possibilities,

lame villian, rushed ending etc.

 

The only good thing would be that some of the characters are good 

And the graphics apart from that its mostly bad 

 

 

Harsh! VERY harsh - but honest and refreshing to read

Glad to see some have the heart to tell the ugly side of things!

 

I would disagree with DA:I is the "worst" ... It is far from it!

But it is nothing like BioWare's other works, besides the points you went on about - "characters" and "beautiful scenery".

[9TailsFox]

How is Chrono Trigger an RPG?
 

And while DA:O's premise may be generic (and the overall good vs evil conflict regarding the darkspawn and archdemon) there were many interesting side conflicts that were great and interesting (Mage Templar, Dalish, Orzammar politics) 

 

Sadly DA:I lacked that since its story was so short and half assed

there was no depth and as a result it was just a poor man's DA:O (regarding the storyline)

 

They also went overboard and we basically played as Jesus 2.0 

The Warden had to actually go find his/her allies and there were struggles but not with the Inquisitor who is just a crazy power fantasy and gets

everything handed to him from the get go

Shepard is space Jesus 2.0 Inquisitor more like Moses 2.0 or Mahomed 2.0 

[Terodil]

Shepard is space Jesus 2.0 Inquisitor more like Moses 2.0 or Mahomed 2.0

Nah.

In DA:I you have to be the rainbow-puking good guy or the slightly recalcitrantly good guy. Turn the inquisition into an organisation of fear and terror? nope. Snatch the power out of Korypheles's hands and take it for yourself? nope. Back to puking rainbows, inky! Perfect candidate for Jesus 2.0.

Shepard could at least be an ass. Plus for large quantities of the game s/he could almost be considered a 'messenger' / 'witness' of the Reapers. Moses is an old testament messenger figure with a healthy dose of darkness to him (didn't Moses kill obstinate heathens by smacking them over the head with his stone tablets? Might misremember slightly but yeah. Shepard and "Reapers? We have dismissed that claim." -- I bet she would have loved to whack the council members over the head with stone tablets right there and then).

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[sleeping heart]

I've tried to complete this game two times, only ever managed to get half way though before i give up out of boredom. I'm probably not gonna try and play the game again and just shelf it.

But, hey. If you like it good for you.

[Uccio]

DA:I is actually far from the worst rpg out there. Its solidly planted in the middle. Ultima 8 and 9 are miles worse than DA:I, but there are similarities between those games and DA:I. And not the good kind. Pools of Radiance (the newest one) was incredibly poor too. DA:I beats that one by a galaxy.

DA:I is just...I dunno. I got really bored while playing it. And I stopped caring about the story because the main character was just dull, and I really didn't have much say in what he said or did. The whole "create your own character" in this game felt like a really poor illusion. What it really meant was this: Play the chosen of andraste and be a man of the people. Or play a reluctant fellow who is also a man of the people. That's it. It just drained the interest right out of me. What kept me going was the companion stories and the Morrigan + Flemeth storyline.

This. I hate the combat with passion as it is a abhorrent to me, along with the dumbed down skill trees and 8 slot limit, missing attributes etc. But in general this was my feeling of the game too. I just couldn´t understand that I got bored of the game in my first playthough. I´ve had numerous playthoughs in other Bio games, both in DA series and ME series. This was first one where I had to struggle to make myself to play the game. Just thinking about starting a new playthough makes me shiver. There is just something missing from the game.

[Elhanan]

Not atop my list, but DAI is on that list of fave RPG's. Kudos to Bioware, and the OP for posting about it!

[Galactus]

670th best game ive played.

[Seraphim24]

I think it's the best Dragon Age, but it'd barely crack Top Ten All-Time for me. I'd probably put Final Fantasy Tactics, Tactics Ogre LUCT, Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross, Suikoden 3, Shadow Hearts: Covenant, Mass Effect 2/3 (if they are RPGs, yadda yadda), Persona 4, and KOTOR/KOTOR II above it. 

 

Wow that might be the most similar list to my own favorite games I've ever seen... especially putting Suikoden 3 in there when everyone celebrates 2 so much I feel like they might miss the magic of 3.

 

My own pithy contribution is that DA:I is neither the worst nor best RPG ever made... kinda like most games end up kek.

[Monster20862]

Haven't played many RPGs it seems.