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[Spoilers] What about the reapers left in darkspace?


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I'm no military strategist so I don't know if it is a logical thing to do? But if you go to war you shouldn't bring your entire population in case something goes wrong, right? The reapers are very confident that they will succeed, but the leviathan says that the reapers perceive Shepard as a threat. So the reapers know that there is a chance Shepard will succeed. Wouldn't they leave some of their own behind in darkspace in case something goes wrong.

If they did leave some behind, those are still alive/not under Shepard's control. Let me explain: The citadel is the relay that connects to darkspace, but the citadel relay wasn't turned on during the ending. We know this because during the shot where you see the explosion spreading through the galaxy you don't see a blue/red/green line connect to darkspace. You don't see the entire spreading in that shot so you could argue that we just didn't see that it connected with darkspace. But we should have seen it because the explosion originates from the citadel(also the relay) so the first place the explosion should spread trough is darkspace.

This doesn't affect the synthesis ending because the green explosion doesn't effect the reapers I think.

What do you think, is it just an oversight or has it something to do with the story for the Next Mass Effect? I personally think it's just an oversight. And I've heard that most people don't want a reaper story again so it would be a mistake to go trough with this if it was intentional.



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Oversight, plus we don't actually know how the citadel communicates with darkspace because saren never got it open. We also don't know if the reapers have any will of their own without the catalyst.



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The crucible signal is spread out by the relays. It's possible that some reapers remain in darkspace but, unless they build a counter measure, they'd be taken the moment they come within range. Though remember that there actually is a relay in dark space. It's possible the citadel reconnected it to the network. If it did, then even the reapers still out in darkspace would be affected.



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What do you think, is it just an oversight or has it something to do with the story for the Next Mass Effect?

 

I'd say it's neither. You're using human warfare as the frame in which "they would leave someone behind", but the Reapers don't think and act like we do. They don't even consider it a war - in their eyes (or optical sensors or whatever :P) it's a galactic harvest with some meddling organics trying to stand in the way. Sure, we were able to take a few of them down, but without the Crucible it would've still been pretty much a one-sided slaughter.

 

The premise is that there are these machines called Reapers that wipe out all advanced life every 50,000 years. There are literally no indications that some of them remain behind 'just in case'. An entertaining what-if hypothetical scenario, perhaps, but it's nothing more than that and certainly no oversight on the writers' behalf.


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I would have loved a mission where Shepard went to Dark Space 

don't ask me how..just would have been very interesting


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I would have loved a mission where Shepard went to Dark Space 

don't ask me how..just would have been very interesting

 

Another thing I was expecting from ME3 that didn't happen (along with the Harby boss fight) - reactivating the Citadel relay to find out where the Reapers are operating from. Since, you know, "know your enemy" is the first step towards defeating them...


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I would have loved a mission where Shepard went to Dark Space 

don't ask me how..just would have been very interesting

 

 

Personally I would have had the final encounter be out in Dark Space, Shepard leads the forces of the galaxy to retake the Citadel, activates the Dark Relay, and then travels out beyond our galaxy's horizon. At the very least it would have make the ending talk with the Catalyst have more weight about the stake of the entire galaxy what with the Milky Way literally hanging in the background.

 

 

 

 

 

 

As far as the OP's question goes I would think that the possibility does exist of Reaper stragglers being out in Dark Space when the ending(s) occurred; in fact I hope that some are still out there. I actually liked the Reapers as antagonists prior to the whole Catalyst reveal, and hopefully with it out of the way, any surviving Reapers could get back that Cuthulu-equse, puppet master vibe that the Reapers had in ME 1 & 2. 

 

 

In my mind, a Reaper could have been left behind because of severe damage sustained in the previous cycle. We know that the Protheans didn't go quietly, what if a Sovereign class Reaper was decimated by one of the last surviving Prothean fleets but wasn't totally destroyed? What if other Reapers recovered their comrade's ruined hulk and towed it back Dark Space in order to effect repairs? What if the extensive damage prohibited this Reaper from participating in this cycle, but it was repaired enough to be able to fix itself while the rest of the horde descended on the Milky Way? This might sound like total plot contrivance; which in some ways it is; but it would help to fix some of the plot holes surrounding the established cannon of the Reapers, and the Catalyst's modus operandi (IMO).

 

 

The Catalyst says that it's mandate was to preserve life and maintain peace between organics and synthetics, and that the way it goes about accomplishing that task is to wipe out the advanced civilizations so that the younger races can grow while preserving the old life in Reaper form. The problem with this is that it stores this 'life' in a warship and puts said warship in the middle of open conflict thereby increasing the chances that this preserved life will be lost. That is in no way conductive to fulfilling it's mandate, why not store the harvest races out in Dark Space where no one from the galaxy can ever threaten it? This fact, coupled with the Reapers' rather poor fighting tactics (as demonstrated in ME 3) of rushing an enemy fleet head on, defecting shots with their faces, makes the whole 'preserve life at all costs' part of the Catalyst seem counter intuitive.

 

 

However, if it was shown that the Reapers actively attempted to stave off loses, and recovered their wounded then it would lend more credence to the established canon; at least in the sense that the Catalyst is not a complete moron when it comes to ensuring the survival of harvested species. If there is a massive Reaper retrofit and repair facility out in Dark Space, and that damaged Reapers are tended to, it would help bring some more credence to the Reapers' tactical aweness as villains, as opposed to just Zerg rushing everything with no concern for losses.

 

 

 

 

From what we know, the Citadel Relay was never activated, and as the OP pointed out, we never see an energy blast traveling outside of the galaxy despite its associated Relay being the point of origin for the ending explosions. With that taken into account, we can say that the Crucible detonation does not cover Dark Space, and for all intents and purposes, it looks like the wave of color acts similar to an EMP blast; traveling along the Relay network and then dissipating; there is nothing to indicate that the Destroy, Control, or Synthesis beam(s) are still present in the galaxy after the initial blast. Any surviving Reaper forces would be free to travel into the galaxy once the wave has past. As for dealing with the endings, Destroy would be the easiest to account for, Control and Synthesis could be explained that the changes affected upon the Catalyst in those two endings rendered it incompatible with unaffected Reapers; this can be seen in the game itself as the Reaper forces don't stop attacking the forces of the galaxy until after the wave hits them.

 

 

The Shepard-lsyt and the Synthesis Catalyst would essentially be running on separate operating systems from the baseline Reapers; Shepard-lyst being the personality of Shepard integrated with the Catalyst, and the Synthesis Catalyst being infused with Shepard's 'essence'. There is no reason to believe that a Reaper without a forceful software upgrade (a la ending explosions) would recognize the new intelligence, let alone take orders from it. 

 

 

 

 

This leaves room for any Reaper survivors to have their own motivations and plans moving forward. What would a Reaper do now that its is no longer being directed to carry out the harvests? Would it try and work behind the scenes and use agents to try and build up a power base in the war ravaged galaxy? Would it try and undo the damage done to the Reapers in the Milky Way? There are a lot of possibilities to go, and since the Reaper stragglers in Dark Space would be severely out gunned they would have to rely on deceit and obfuscation in order to operate in the galaxy, reverting them back to their classic 'personality' while at the same time removing the plot granted 'GOD MODE' they had in ME 3.


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The reapers are a buffaloherd peacefully harvesting, chewing and digesting their crops each and every time they are let out of their pen.

It's not like one of them would stay behind and ignore their most basic function, just like buffalo, sheep and cows won't pass an opportunity to eat, which is one of their most primal needs.

They have no other motives or plans outside of fulfilling the function specified by the Catalyst. If you remove that however, then I guess they might seek something else to do. But as long as the catalyst is in charge they are cattle stampeding their way across the galactic feedinggrounds.

It's not a choice for them. Also, I don't think the Catalyst thought it would need a contingency, they were after all it's solution.
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I would have loved a mission where Shepard went to Dark Space 

don't ask me how..just would have been very interesting

Here's a possibility

 

After the SR1 is destroyed, with Shepard surviving, Shepard along with crew use a shuttle to travel around to find a way to stop the reapers. Mean while the council believing the threat is real, secretly gather scientists and engineers to see if the signal the Protheans used can be reversed. After a short time they're able to use the relay/Citadel. They send recon drones to gather any information. During this time human colonists are being abducted. Shepard meets Miranda from Cerberus who wants to help with the missing colonists. Her boss, TIM, offers the SR2 to Shepard to use to stop the abductions. The Alliance is a littel hesitant at first, but are willing to accept help from Cerberus. 

 

The ME1 squad continues with finding a way to stop the reapers while Shepard joins Miranda on the SR2 to stop the abductions. It plays out the same as ME2 except you don't see TIM at all. He just sends tips about Horizon and the collector ship. All the characters will just be for the mission and nothing more.

 

During this time, the council has received information back from the recon drones showing images of several looking space stations surrounding what looks to be a moon. They keep gathering information and inform Shepard that once they feel its safe to go through the relay to dark space, he/she will be informed.

 

After the IFF is recovered, the Allaince sends a fleet to the galactic core to deal with the collector base. 

 

Shepard prepares for the journey to darkspace. Surprisingly they don't encounter any reapers. They find a spot to land on the "moon" which turns out to be a giant space station. Something similiar to the death star. Once near the center, they see a giant water tank with a creature inside. It takes control of one of the squadmates and explain that it's being held captive for the reapers to use for their indoctrination. This is Leviathan. He tells how to stop the reapers and to destroy the space station. It also says all the information about past civilzations are on the terminal near where Shepard is standing. It also says the reapers are currently heading to the milky way

 

 

Shepard and squad plant explosives to destroy the station and before heading back. they plant explosives on the relay. A moment after using the relay, the giant space station and the small stations surrounding it explode as does the realy.

 

Once back, Shepard learns the Alliance were successful in destroying the collector base.with minimal losses. Unknown to the Alliance, TIM some how manages to recover some of the reaper that was destroyed.

 

It would be nice to have gone to dark space.



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If the left behind Reapers are given the general ME3 Reaper incompetence syndrometm, they would probably fly of in the wrong direction anyway.


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I'm no military strategist so I don't know if it is a logical thing to do? 

 

They're called reserve formations (Military reserve or simply reserves.) and they can sometimes be a fairly large part of the attacking force. In the middle ages they would make up as much as 10% of your forces.

 

The Reapers don't seem to use them, their strategy is as simple as blowing right past the point where you would even need them to begin with. To give you an idea what I mean, try to imagine fighting with a nest of fire ants. Now imagine the fire ants are 2ft long and can surface through tunnels into your living room like locusts from GOW1.



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I would have loved a mission where Shepard went to Dark Space 

don't ask me how..just would have been very interesting

 

I see it now...

Shepard is approached by a Dr. C. Verner who has found a way into Dark Space.


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Control, it wouldn't be an issue.

Synthesis, I'm sure the other Reapers everyone would rush to spread the magic green love to anyone who missed it, because free will doesn't matter here.

Destroy you might have a problem.

 

Hell I wouldn't put it past them to canonize Destroy and make this the plot of ME4. Even in "art" you fail!

 

But yes, seeing what was beyond the "Dark Citadel" relay is just one of several missed opportunities.



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Just when you thought it was safe to go back into space.... Reapers II.



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"Our Scout Fleet has been utterly obliterated!  Send an actual Reaper army in to investigate!"



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No more Reapers. None in the galaxy and none in Darkspace. 

 

They are dead, or absorbed into the Shepard DNA shake, or controlled.

 

End of the line.



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No more Reapers. None in the galaxy and none in Darkspace. 
 
They are dead, or absorbed into the Shepard DNA shake, or controlled.
 
End of the line.

That's exactly what someone indoctrinated by the remnant Reapers would want you to believe! Reapers confirmed for ME4!
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That's exactly what someone indoctrinated by the remnant Reapers would want you to believe! Reapers confirmed for ME4!

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But for ME"next", no more reapers, please.



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But for ME"next", no more reapers, please.

Not without butter sauce.  Or at least a nice risotto



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But for ME"next", no more reapers, please.

Reapers are "art", Reapers are life!

 

Embrace perfection!

 

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*wonders if everyone realize there are indoctrination boosters thru out this thread*