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[The Gearinator]

Firstly, I'm going to let you kind people into a secret, Ready? I got DAO about... 3 days ago, so go easy on the scrub please 

 

Secondly (I'm going to assume that because this game is now 6 years old-ish, that people know enough about the end to not get butt hurt when I don't spoiler stuff, that said if you do dislike me doing this, or don't want to know, stop reading now) The question, I've yet to get to the ending part, I'm a F/Warden and my Li is Leliana, should I 

 

1) Get Alistair to become king, and then sacrifice Loghain to the Archdemon,

2) Kill Logain and sacrifice Alistair to the Archdemon

3) have you kind people tell me that there is a way to have a god baby with Morrigan even though she and Alistair are not my Li

4) have you kind people tell me that there is a "better" ending than the previous 3, and I do know about the "Ultimate Sacrifice" ending, I'll be honest and say for this playthrough I don't want to do that. 

 

Not sure if it makes any difference but I'm on PC and Human, not Elven or Dwarven.

 

Also please say if there is any knock on effects in DA2 and Inquisitions, when doing any of the choice, as I've not looked into that.

 

Thanks 

 

 - Gear 

[Voxr]

Morrigan is gonna be like " Yo trick, i want a baby." And you can be like " Mk. Alistair/Loghain have sxe time with M." 

 

So Alistair can make the kid regardless of LI I think. ( I MAY be wrong but I think I'm right. lol)

 

You can make Alistair king and make Loghain a warden ( why would you?!?!) But it hardens Alistair and he leaves.

 

You get a tidbit in DA2 but spoilers!

 

But if you do the DR it doesn't matter cause the Old God soul goes to OGB. So be a good cool guy slim and kill loghain. For the children.

[MouseHopper]

You can have Alistair kill Loghain.  That's before the final battle anyway.  You can ask Alistair to have the baby with Morrigan.  You have to convince him to do it, but you should be able to.   This is also before the final battle.  As a female character you cannot have the baby with her, although I think there is a mod that will allow it.  I think I did it once.  But you would have to have her as your love interest.  If he does the deed with Morrigan, then no one has to die at the hand of the archdemon.

 

Hope this helps.

[RoraM]

OK, hopefully this will not turn into some spoilerific disaster on us:

 

Spoiler

Loghain vs. Alistair

What you choose depends on who you would like to see make a cameo appearance in future games, so if you harbour a burning hatred for Alistair, sacrifice away.

 

Having an Old God Baby with Morrigan

Well, being a female warden puts you at a biological disadvantage, so you have to convince one of the other wardens to "help out", whether that is Loghain or Alistair.  Whoever you choose, buy him lots of presents beforehand because he's going to need a lot of buttering up.

 

The "Better" Ending

I don't think there is a "better" ending.  Ultimate sacrifice?  Screw that.  I became queen.  I often found Alistair grating, but my canon play-through is as a human noble so I could marry him and rule Ferelden, knowing I could do just as good a job, if not better, than that asp Anora.  Case in point, I started out a mere "princess consort" and managed to become queen and acknowledged co-ruler of Ferelden within only a few years.  And here's a confession:  I SQUEALED when I found out Steve Valentine was returning to the recording booth for the other games.  Alistair might have been an annoying man-child, but he was MY annoying man-child and my abiding affection for him surprised the hell out of me.

 

Hope this helps!

[olnorton]

I know you said you don't want to make the ultimate sacrifice.
But if you didn't harden Leliana up, then that for me is the best ending.

If you did harden Leliana up, then I would make Alistair King & get him to do the deed with Morrigan.

If you didn't harden Alistair up, stay on & serve as his chancellor.

You never see your warden in DA2 or DAI & your decisions have very little impact.

Your funeral is to die for.

[mousestalker]

My favourite ending (but I like them all) is PC winds up with LI (Non-Alistair/non-Morrigan, sue me I like Zevran). Alistair marries Anora. PC massacres Loghain at the Landsmeet. Ali does the tango with Morri and OGB results. PC kills Archie and Thedas rejoices.

The Dragon Age wiki has all possible results here. It also shows all the possible Landsmeet results.

Those links have many many spoilers, so use with caution.

Hope that helps!

[Silfren]

Firstly, I'm going to let you kind people into a secret, Ready? I got DAO about... 3 days ago, so go easy on the scrub please 

 

Secondly (I'm going to assume that because this game is now 6 years old-ish, that people know enough about the end to not get butt hurt when I don't spoiler stuff, that said if you do dislike me doing this, or don't want to know, stop reading now) The question, I've yet to get to the ending part, I'm a F/Warden and my Li is Leliana, should I 

 

1) Get Alistair to become king, and then sacrifice Loghain to the Archdemon,

2) Kill Logain and sacrifice Alistair to the Archdemon

3) have you kind people tell me that there is a way to have a god baby with Morrigan even though she and Alistair are not my Li

4) have you kind people tell me that there is a "better" ending than the previous 3, and I do know about the "Ultimate Sacrifice" ending, I'll be honest and say for this playthrough I don't want to do that. 

 

Not sure if it makes any difference but I'm on PC and Human, not Elven or Dwarven.

 

Also please say if there is any knock on effects in DA2 and Inquisitions, when doing any of the choice, as I've not looked into that.

 

Thanks 

 

 - Gear 

I'm unsure why you are asking.  There is no particular playthrough that you SHOULD do in the sense of one being better than others.  There's no best or worst option, so I just can't figure out what it is you're asking for.  There is little enough impact on future storylines that there is no reason to consider anything more than your own preferred story outcome, based on what you envision as appropriate to the setting and, especially, the kind of Warden you have chosen to roleplay.

 

Personally, I have a preference for the DR ending from the standpoint of giving Alistair and my (female) Warden a semblance of a happy ending to their story, as I nearly always role them as lovers, and as dear friends otherwise.  Alternatively, I enjoy the tension such an ending creates, as it exemplifies the story trope of a very selfish but very human choice with potentially devastating consequences.  Aside from the DR I typically have Alistair and the Warden marry, whether as friends or lovers (I usually play a HN), although sometimes I leave the crown to Anora and don't push Alistair into ruling.  The key is that I usually keep them together in some fashion.

 

That said, again from a story angle, especially if playing a Warden with a powerful internalized sense of honor and duty, the US has a lot of merit.  I don't pick it often because I tend to let sentimentality rule the day in most of my playthroughs, but my favorite version of this is to have Alistair marry Anora while Loghain is spared in the Landsmeet and later sent to his death against the archdemon.  My least favorite outcome, and the one I never choose (did it once for science but I deleted that playthrough, being dissatisfied overall) is to spare Loghain AND do the DR.  

 

So, that's my take:  make your story decisions based on the sort of Warden you are playing and what you feel works best for the story you want to tell.  There absolutely isn't any one "best" or "worst" option, whether for story purposes or for setting up a future game world state.

[The Gearinator]

Ok thanks guys, really helped. And as many of you have stated, there is no real repercussion in the next games because of that, I'm not sure what to do. 

 

I think based on what you've said and told me, that I'll kill Loghain and then make Ali king with Anora, then manage to convince him to have the OGB with Morrigan, sounds like all parties win this way.

 

Thanks again! 

[RoraM]

Ok thanks guys, really helped. And as many of you have stated, there is no real repercussion in the next games because of that, I'm not sure what to do. 

 

I think based on what you've said and told me, that I'll kill Loghain and then make Ali king with Anora, then manage to convince him to have the OGB with Morrigan, sounds like all parties win this way.

 

Thanks again! 

 

 

Except Loghain.   

[sylvanaerie]

Firstly, I'm going to let you kind people into a secret, Ready? I got DAO about... 3 days ago, so go easy on the scrub please 

 

Secondly (I'm going to assume that because this game is now 6 years old-ish, that people know enough about the end to not get butt hurt when I don't spoiler stuff, that said if you do dislike me doing this, or don't want to know, stop reading now) The question, I've yet to get to the ending part, I'm a F/Warden and my Li is Leliana, should I 

 

1) Get Alistair to become king, and then sacrifice Loghain to the Archdemon,

2) Kill Logain and sacrifice Alistair to the Archdemon

3) have you kind people tell me that there is a way to have a god baby with Morrigan even though she and Alistair are not my Li

4) have you kind people tell me that there is a "better" ending than the previous 3, and I do know about the "Ultimate Sacrifice" ending, I'll be honest and say for this playthrough I don't want to do that. 

 

Not sure if it makes any difference but I'm on PC and Human, not Elven or Dwarven.

 

Also please say if there is any knock on effects in DA2 and Inquisitions, when doing any of the choice, as I've not looked into that.

 

Thanks 

 

 - Gear 

 

Nicely thought out questions.  I'll try to answer them as honestly and thoroughly as I can.  Spoilers follow.

 

Firstly, just remember there is no 'right or wrong' way to play, so enjoy the story you create. 

 

1.  This ending is ONLY possible if you harden Alistair beforehand, and force him to marry Anora (whereupon he will leave your group permanently) and force Loghain to do the Joining.  He will survive, protected by Plot Armor.  Alistair cannot solo rule and spare Loghain, you will need Anora to be his "Check" on that plot device.

 

2.  This I have done a couple of times: Fair warning however, in terms of storytelling, the Warden Commander/Redeemer endings are both weak in terms of satisfaction at the end compared to the other two.  Yes, Loghain gets to make up for a lot of his mistakes by 'redeeming' himself and killing the archdemon, but there is no funeral for either and neither is mentioned beyond one single line from NPCs.  TBH both endings pissed me off royally because of the lack of emotional impact the sacrifice made on the story.  US was a much more satisfying ending because then you get to see the impact your sacrifice makes on a grateful nation (and the people who loved your warden).

 

3.  Being female won't prevent you from doing the DR.  Get Loghain (his approval doesn't even have to be that high) or Alistair (who can be hardened or not--though I think hardened is easier to convince--and high persuade/friendship helps) to do it.  The game is designed so even females who lose Alistair at the Landsmeet can manage to do the DR ending with minimal effort.

 

4. See 2 above on my opinions regarding this--your opinion may vary.  As I said, there is no 'right or wrong' way to play.

 

As for impact in future games.  So far, your warden doesn't show up in DA2 at all, though there is some mention of him/her, especially if he/she is ruler, an Amell or a Mahariel.   Those three origins get the most mention and still it's extremely small.  Alistair will have a cameo in both games, regardless of King/Warden status, voiced by Steve Valentine.  Certain quests will pop up in DA2 depending on who survived Origins, what choices you made in the game, but otherwise little impact.  As for Inquisition, your warden isn't in that one either, even less of a presence in fact, though some NPCs with the right dialogue options will mention him/her.

 

Significant Inquisition spoiler below:

 

Spoiler

The hugest impact (for me) for both games was whether or not you did the DR with Morrigan.  Since she plays a part in Inquisition, her role is vastly superior if she is a mother.  You get a see a significant amount of character development in her writing if she is.

 

And remember, have fun and welcome to the Dragon Age!

[The Gearinator]

Nicely thought out questions.  I'll try to answer them as honestly and thoroughly as I can.  Spoilers follow.

 

Firstly, just remember there is no 'right or wrong' way to play, so enjoy the story you create. 

 

1.  This ending is ONLY possible if you harden Alistair beforehand, and force him to marry Anora (whereupon he will leave your group permanently) and force Loghain to do the Joining.  He will survive, protected by Plot Armor.  Alistair cannot solo rule and spare Loghain, you will need Anora to be his "Check" on that plot device.

 

2.  This I have done a couple of times: Fair warning however, in terms of storytelling, the Warden Commander/Redeemer endings are both weak in terms of satisfaction at the end compared to the other two.  Yes, Loghain gets to make up for a lot of his mistakes by 'redeeming' himself and killing the archdemon, but there is no funeral for either and neither is mentioned beyond one single line from NPCs.  TBH both endings pissed me off royally because of the lack of emotional impact the sacrifice made on the story.  US was a much more satisfying ending because then you get to see the impact your sacrifice makes on a grateful nation (and the people who loved your warden).

 

3.  Being female won't prevent you from doing the DR.  Get Loghain (his approval doesn't even have to be that high) or Alistair (who can be hardened or not--though I think hardened is easier to convince--and high persuade/friendship helps) to do it.  The game is designed so even females who lose Alistair at the Landsmeet can manage to do the DR ending with minimal effort.

 

4. See 2 above on my opinions regarding this--your opinion may vary.  As I said, there is no 'right or wrong' way to play.

 

As for impact in future games.  So far, your warden doesn't show up in DA2 at all, though there is some mention of him/her, especially if he/she is ruler, an Amell or a Mahariel.   Those three origins get the most mention and still it's extremely small.  Alistair will have a cameo in both games, regardless of King/Warden status, voiced by Steve Valentine.  Certain quests will pop up in DA2 depending on who survived Origins, what choices you made in the game, but otherwise little impact.  As for Inquisition, your warden isn't in that one either, even less of a presence in fact, though some NPCs with the right dialogue options will mention him/her.

 

Significant Inquisition spoiler below:

 

Spoiler

The hugest impact (for me) for both games was whether or not you did the DR with Morrigan.  Since she plays a part in Inquisition, her role is vastly superior if she is a mother.  You get a see a significant amount of character development in her writing if she is.

 

And remember, have fun and welcome to the Dragon Age!

 

 

Well, that is very conclusive, thank you for the extra information regarding F/Warden and the DR, I didn't realise. 

 

With this new information I have another question, if Ali is hardened, does he need to marry Anora if Loghain is killed by me?

[themikefest]

You can have Loghain do the dark ritual with Morrigan and him surviving along with your warden at the end. He will make a cameo in DAI if you set your world state up to have him make an appearance.

[Iakus]

 

 

2.  This I have done a couple of times: Fair warning however, in terms of storytelling, the Warden Commander/Redeemer endings are both weak in terms of satisfaction at the end compared to the other two.  Yes, Loghain gets to make up for a lot of his mistakes by 'redeeming' himself and killing the archdemon, but there is no funeral for either and neither is mentioned beyond one single line from NPCs.  TBH both endings pissed me off royally because of the lack of emotional impact the sacrifice made on the story.  US was a much more satisfying ending because then you get to see the impact your sacrifice makes on a grateful nation (and the people who loved your warden).

 

Yeah Loghain doesn't get much of a funeral and such, but I think the farewell he gives as he makes his sacrifice is really touching, and did a lot to "redeem" him in my eyes.  That, to me is my preferred ending.

 

Though yes, Morrigan gets a couple of great scenes in DAI if she has a kid

[Marika Haliwell]

welcome in the DA universe , you won't regret it

 

My 2 outcomes i used :

 

Female Human Mage - romanced Alistair ( soften) , put Anora as queen and kept my love . To do that you have to choose that Alistair stays with the grey wardens and Kill Logahin with your own hands. If you let Alistair , Anora will execute him.

 

Female Noble Warrior - Romanced Alistar ( hardened ) won the landsmeet without Anora's support and Became Queen ruling alongside Alistair. This time I let Alistair kill loghain XD

[Silfren]

welcome in the DA universe , you won't regret it

 

My 2 outcomes i used :

 

Female Human Mage - romanced Alistair ( soften) , put Anora as queen and kept my love . To do that you have to choose that Alistair stays with the grey wardens and Kill Logahin with your own hands. If you let Alistair , Anora will execute him.

 

Female Noble Warrior - Romanced Alistar ( hardened ) won the landsmeet without Anora's support and Became Queen ruling alongside Alistair. This time I let Alistair kill loghain XD

 

Referring to the underlined portion, this is not true.  The only condition under which Anora threatens to execute Alistair is when Loghain is left alive (presumably because she is aware that Loghain's being pardoned will be Alistair's primary motivation in seeking the throne - not to rule, but to have the power to execute this man that he hates).  Even so, if Anora does threaten to execute Alistair, the Warden can very easily persuade her not to.  It is absolutely not the case that you have to avoid having Alistair kill Loghain to keep Anora from killing him.

[Captain Wiseass]

Well, that is very conclusive, thank you for the extra information regarding F/Warden and the DR, I didn't realise. 

 

With this new information I have another question, if Ali is hardened, does he need to marry Anora if Loghain is killed by me?

If Loghain is dead, all you need to do to keep Alistair alive is have someone do the Dark Ritual.

[Marika Haliwell]

Referring to the underlined portion, this is not true.  I'm relatively certain that the only condition under which Anora threatens to execute Alistair is when Loghain is left alive (presumably because she is aware that Loghain's being pardoned will be Alistair's primary motivation in seeking the throne - not to rule, but to have the power to execute this man that he hates).  Even so, if Anora does threaten to execute Alistair, the Warden can very easily persuade her not to.  It is absolutely not the case that you have to avoid having Alistair kill Loghain to keep Anora from killing him.

yes you're right it's because i never had to choose that end so i supposed that would be the case . Your statement is true

[sylvanaerie]

Well, that is very conclusive, thank you for the extra information regarding F/Warden and the DR, I didn't realise. 

 

With this new information I have another question, if Ali is hardened, does he need to marry Anora if Loghain is killed by me?

 

In regards to bolded.  No.  Alistair is quite satisfied with Loghain's death, hardened or not.  Marriage to Anora is only necessary to the plot if you wish to have Alistair rule and recruit Loghain.

[The Gearinator]

Ok thanks for all the help people, really big help! 

[The Gearinator]

That said,  this is completely unrelated to my previous questions but, is there any point in doing the Blackstone Irregulars, Mages and Chatry quests? And by mages I mean the Mages liaison quests.

[Silfren]

 

2) I think you have to romance Alistair to get him to sacrifice himself to the Archdemon. I don't know, I've never sacrificed him. 

 

 

Nah.  If he accompanies you to the roof of Fort Drakon, he'll offer to sacrifice himself so long as your approval is high.  i don't know how high it needs to be, but if it's at 100% (or at least 90+), he'll go on this thing about how you're the best friend he could've asked for and he'll offer to do it for you.  The only difference is that if you're romancing him, he'll sacrifice himself to the archdemon without giving you a say in the matter (assuming of course that you don't use the mod to gainsay him).

 

For all I know, he might make the same offer even if he hates you - I can't speak to that one, though; but yes, he'll willingly sacrifice himself on your behalf so long as he at least likes you, romance or no.

[Silfren]

That said,  this is completely unrelated to my previous questions but, is there any point in doing the Blackstone Irregulars, Mages and Chatry quests? And by mages I mean the Mages liaison quests.

 

That's another question that hinges on the kind of story you want to play.  I always found it kind of odd to do those quests in the sense that most of them are rather hard to justify taking the time to run around and do while there's a Blight on, but some of them can be worked into the larger story from a PR standpoint, I suppose. 

 

Otherwise, as far as game mechanics, there is minor benefit to those quests in terms of experience and companion approval/disapproval, and the extra "flavor" the interactions add to your playthrough.

[Silfren]

yes you're right it's because i never had to choose that end so i supposed that would be the case . Your statement is true

 

Maybe don't make declarative statements just before admitting that you're just making a wild guess over a plot choice you never made.  =P

[Captain Wiseass]

That said,  this is completely unrelated to my previous questions but, is there any point in doing the Blackstone Irregulars, Mages and Chatry quests? And by mages I mean the Mages liaison quests.

XP, money, and achievements. They don't have any bearing on the sequels.