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[brownie56]

If we're working off the theory that Solas/Mythal/Dread Wolf merger is the having a huge impact next game. Doesn't that mean the Inquisitor/Morrigan is in effect their lackey/slave? It would set up a pretty intense choice if you had to kill them/sacrifice someone else to save them. Their was a massive lack of party members being able to die this game...it just felt like Corypheus was of little consequence when compared to the mage/templar war. A lot of parties thought the Conclave was doomed to fail anyway, it just exploded literally instead of metaphorically. Anyone have thoughts on this? Given how Disney-movieish the main arc of DA:I felt, I'm expecting DA4 to be a bloodbath.

 

[Qun00]

I wouldn't be worried, Solas is a good person. If the leash has been transferred to him, you certainly are in good hands.

Flemeth has dark undertones, but she has mostly sided with the good guys in this franchise. She's not a villain.

So yeah, no big deal really.

[DarkShadowsAbove]

Except... What do we actually know about either of them? We can say that they're good people not not villains, but Flemeth is vengeful by her own admission and Solas lied to everybody for all of DA:I. Then we have to consider just how much we don't know about Fen'Harel and Mythal, Flemeth's years after possession, and Solas' years sleeping in the Fade. With everything they've done and seen, how likely is it that they haven't developed the ability to make themselves seem exactly the way they want to be seen regardless of their true character? Not that I don't personally believe that Solas is a good person and Flemeth tends to side with the heroes, but there's too much we don't know about either of them to make that kind of blanket statement.

[Qun00]

Eh, vengeful characters aren't always bad people.

And Solas does acknowledge his mistake "I must pay the price for what I've done, but the People need me."

Sure, telling the truth is the noble thing, but realistically speaking most people wouldn't do that in his situation. Not if they don't want to be hunted down and killed.

Being branded a traitor would also become an obstacle to any good he wanted to do.

[brownie56]

Except... What do we actually know about either of them? We can say that they're good people not not villains, but Flemeth is vengeful by her own admission and Solas lied to everybody for all of DA:I. Then we have to consider just how much we don't know about Fen'Harel and Mythal, Flemeth's years after possession, and Solas' years sleeping in the Fade. With everything they've done and seen, how likely is it that they haven't developed the ability to make themselves seem exactly the way they want to be seen regardless of their true character? Not that I don't personally believe that Solas is a good person and Flemeth tends to side with the heroes, but there's too much we don't know about either of them to make that kind of blanket statement.

I agree, and I can't really tell if Solas is in a Anders/Justice relationship with the Dread Wolf or straight up is the Dread Wolf. I can see Solas taking some drastic measures to try and restore ancient elf society, like Loghain, the actions are bad but the motives aren't

[Andres Hendrix]

Solas seems to be pro free will, people making thier own choices etc. I wonder if he will figure out a way to seperate the Inquisitor/Morrigan's will from his own...

[Excella Gionne]

Too much for me to bet on. I always do not drink from the well now. The thought of being enslaved boggles me.

[Pokemario]

Solas absorbed Mythal's power,not her soul. Flemeth wanted to pass her godhood onto to Morrigan,so if your Inquisitor drank from the Well they're her slave.

[SgtSteel91]

Another consequence to consider is that their soul is now bound to the Well. When they die, their soul may end up in the Well like the other voices, waiting for the next unlucky smuck to take a drink.

[Kulyok]

Being enslaved to Solas AND being in romance with him is sort of kinky. I'd dig that.

 

(And neither Morrigan nor Flemeth nor Solas are willing to share their knowledge with the normal elves, after all, despite everything they say).

[brownie56]

Wouldn't one of those ancient knowledgeable elf souls be like "Yo dog, that's totally the Dread Wolf over there"

[congokong]

It would certainly be awkward if you punched Solas and then drank from the well later; now becoming his slave.

[Gervaise]

Well if it's anything like the Dark Ritual it may have very little significance at all.    I think that if Morrigan drank from the well, Flemeth/Mythal would have relinquished control before handing over the remaining power to Solas and if the Inquisitor drank I almost wonder if Flemeth's words "you are free to go" carried more meaning and again she was relinquishing control.    I suppose a lot depends on what actually is controlling you, the spirits that serve Mythal or Mythal herself.     After all Abelas said that you would be bound as he was bound and then he just up and left having apparently passed the responsibility on to you.   

 

To be honest I'd be more worried about Skyhold itself or the anchor.   Both of these are linked to very ancient magic and who knows how they will be affected when Solas puts whatever plan he has into action.    I'm also worried about the elves generally because none of the ancient elves seem to think they owe them anything in terms of kinship but you can bet that whatever happens is likely to impact on them badly, either because they stupidly want to follow whatever ancient elf rises to power or because the other races blame them for whatever happens.     The writers have always been somewhat cavalier in their killing of Dalish clans and they have well and truly rubbished their beliefs, so I'd say the future for the Dalish at least, is probably not going to be very rosy.   That is where any bloodbath will lie.

[wiccame]

Except... What do we actually know about either of them? We can say that they're good people not not villains, but Flemeth is vengeful by her own admission and Solas lied to everybody for all of DA:I. Then we have to consider just how much we don't know about Fen'Harel and Mythal, Flemeth's years after possession, and Solas' years sleeping in the Fade. With everything they've done and seen, how likely is it that they haven't developed the ability to make themselves seem exactly the way they want to be seen regardless of their true character? Not that I don't personally believe that Solas is a good person and Flemeth tends to side with the heroes, but there's too much we don't know about either of them to make that kind of blanket statement.

Fen'harel had the ability to make gods believe what he wanted them to believe, he tricked them and sealed them away. The chance that anything or everything he has said and done in DAI is a lie is possible. Note: I'd like to believe he has been misjudged but this is what he is known for.

 

 

I agree, and I can't really tell if Solas is in a Anders/Justice relationship with the Dread Wolf or straight up is the Dread Wolf. I can see Solas taking some drastic measures to try and restore ancient elf society, like Loghain, the actions are bad but the motives aren't

I'm inclined to believe Solas is the dread wolf. He claims to have woken from slumber, why would he need to sleep if he is just occupying someone elses body as Mythal is in Flemeth's, I'm guessing she hasn't been sleeping all these centuries. She seems to have had a big hand in all Flemeth's dealings.

 

I'm not necessarily worried too much though about the consequences of drinking from the well...If Solas truly is the rebel with good intent I am sure he would release them from their binds or at least not abuse that power over them and Flemythal seems to be just as benevolent even with her unknown agenda.

[DarkShadowsAbove]

I actually think that Solas/Fen'Harel refuses to tell a lie. He'll omit things and twist them for manipulation, but he won't actually lie. It makes a lot of sense. He can easily talk about things that happened before his sleep as being seen in the Fade if he saw the imprints of those memories in the Fade. And (in the codex) the place he says is his hometown has been in ruins for centuries. He'll tell truths and if pressed, say that he saw them in the Fade, but never actually says is he learned them in the Fade unless he did. For the Orb, he says that he saw them in the Fade as "old memories of older magics." No doubt he did, but that's obviously not where he learned about them.

 

Flemeth has never struck me as benevolent. She's vengeful, but as Qun00 pointed out, that's not always bad. She has helped our previous MCs, but that always seemed much more out of self-interest than benevolence. After all, she certainly doesn't want the Blight destroying the world for her own purposes and she helped Hawke in order to protect herself from the inevitable Morrigan Personal Quest to kill her. This of course doesn't mean that she is not also benevolent, but it doesn't seem to be her primary motivation.

[Nehn]

How can anyone trust Flemeth? Sure she's done some good, but her need for vengeance seems too much.
Solas seems to care for everyone's well being based on the positive approval you get for helping others (ie refugees) so it leads me to believe he's probably a better person to be bound to (if mythal's power is in him)
Hopefully Flemeth's power isn't like Ander's situation.

[FadelessRipley]

Solas I'm unsure of. Probably still a bit bitter. Flemeth I've never believed to be a true villain. Not quite sure she's pulling a Professor Snape style long con either, mind, but not truly evil despite what Mythal wants. What has me slightly confused is what the difference is between what Solas took and what she gave to Morrigan. I like the idea that the "essence of her godhood" is Morrigan's, and that she's somehow released Morrigan from being enslaved. Morrigan being controlled by Solas would not be good. Plus the scenes between Morrigan and Flemeth were the best in the game. It would be fantastic and also rather sad if Flemeth truly loved her after all.

[Forsythia77]

Flemeth is good in as much as being good is a benefit to her.  She's a true neutral in her motivations and could just as easily be swayed to the dark side since the dark side totally has cookies (assuming eating those cookies would be a benefit to her).  But she was always good at masking her true intentions. 

 

I don't think Solas is inherently evil either. He is just secretive.  The Dread Wolf has a bad rep but thousands of years have passed since the Elves were in power.  History gets twisted and lost the further you are removed from it.  And when you have a disparate group of people who are scattered about it gets even worse since there is no Central Dalish Library about for people to consult.  So maybe the Dread Wolf wasn't so bad.  Or maybe he took the blame for the greater good of the Dalish (though we have no idea what that is since it doesn't seem to have done much good to banish all the gods). 

[NaclynE]

If we're working off the theory that Solas/Mythal/Dread Wolf merger is the having a huge impact next game. Doesn't that mean the Inquisitor/Morrigan is in effect their lackey/slave? It would set up a pretty intense choice if you had to kill them/sacrifice someone else to save them. Their was a massive lack of party members being able to die this game...it just felt like Corypheus was of little consequence when compared to the mage/templar war. A lot of parties thought the Conclave was doomed to fail anyway, it just exploded literally instead of metaphorically. Anyone have thoughts on this? Given how Disney-movieish the main arc of DA:I felt, I'm expecting DA4 to be a bloodbath.

 

I do agree it's going to be a big factor in the next game. If Morrigan gets the well then it's like she's a puppet and I am going to feel so bloody bad for what she may or do not do. Not to mention what kind of sick stuff she can maybe do to her own son like killing him perhaps against her will. As far as my Inquisitor is concerned it's going to be bigger stakes. Like for as example... my inquisitor can be killed who he/she romanced against his/her will. What a pickle would that be..

[brownie56]

I do agree it's going to be a big factor in the next game. If Morrigan gets the well then it's like she's a puppet and I am going to feel so bloody bad for what she may or do not do. Not to mention what kind of sick stuff she can maybe do to her own son like killing him perhaps against her will. As far as my Inquisitor is concerned it's going to be bigger stakes. Like for as example... my inquisitor can be killed who he/she romanced against his/her will. What a pickle would that be..

I hope they follow through on that, I'm not particularly hopeful for an Inquisitor reappearance given how hard Bioware has been fighting against bringing back the HoF. Thing is, the Inquisitor will probably be even harder to make go away. 

[His Name was HYR!!]

I wouldn't be worried, Solas is a good person. If the leash has been transferred to him, you certainly are in good hands.

 

 

Hahaha, bro. Good one. (lol don't delete my post BotMod02).