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[WildOrchid]

Hopefully the next game will be less humancentric and use less of the "humans are best" stupid trope tbh.

[Majestic Jazz]

Why do some people here hate humans? You would think they are some other species. I'm pretty sure the majority of the players (like around 100 percent) will be human so there is nothing wrong with the game being human centric.

 

You obviously do not know the nature of the question I was asking.

[wolfhowwl]

Why do some people here hate humans? You would think they are some other species. I'm pretty sure the majority of the players (like around 100 percent) will be human so there is nothing wrong with the game being human centric.

 

I think many people expressing dislike of "human centrism" are referring to the tendency in the trilogy to bring up humans being special in some way (to the point that some of it feels like gratuitous ego-stroking) or focusing on the species in a way that they feel doesn't jive with the plot or setting.

 

I mean you could still have a "human centric" story focusing on the first decades joining the galactic community that avoids masturbation over how we are "developing faster," "dangerous," or are more "dynamic" and also has a more grounded portrayal of the human race as a little fish in a big pond.

[Heimdall]

And that would drastically reduce the quality of the game. Shared animations across different species? Shared voice actors simply re-edited? Generic main characters?  Mass Effect was so great because you could feel that the character was your own, the voice work was great, the writing was good, dropping in a few generic characters would be a disservice to the game. 

None of these things would necessarily hurt the game, the characters need not be generic, adding race choice doesn't make the writing bad, and if anything being able to choose the character's species could strengthen the sense of ownership, not reduce it.

[Majestic Jazz]

I think many people expressing dislike of "human centrism" are referring to the tendency in the trilogy to bring up humans being special in some way (to the point that some of it feels like gratuitous ego-stroking) or focusing on the species in a way that they feel doesn't jive with the plot or setting.

 

I mean you could still have a "human centric" story focusing on the first decades joining the galactic community that avoids masturbation over how we are "developing faster," "dangerous," or are more "dynamic" and also has a more grounded portrayal of the human race as a little fish in a big pond.

 

And this is what I liked about the Revelations novel as well as ME1 because it was exactly like what you just said. Everything from ME2 and after was all about how powerful, diverse, unique, intriguing, better developed etc....the humans were and so on and so forth. 

[Han Shot First]

If some alien species ever visits Earth, I hope they never read our books, watch our films, or play our games. They are totally going to think we are arrogant tools. Right before they do this...

[katamuro]

I doubt any aliens would visit earth after they see what horrible things we do to each other past, present, and probably future. I cannot even watch the news anymore. I also doubt the humanity of mass effect will ever come to fruition. We are most likely going to annihilate each other in nuclear warfare, overpopulate and starve, or overpopulate and spread disease. Every time we take a few steps forward we get shoved several huge steps back. I have lost faith.

 

Oh its not so bad. Sure quite a few of the people in control of the financial system became quite a bit richer by allowing million of people get poorer but that is because they have managed to convince most of the world that "capitalism" is some kind of holy system that will always work. In fact it does not. Haven't anyone noticed that it feeds on people? That for someone somewhere to get rich someone else down the line has to be poor? Companies like Apple, Samsung, Nike and hundreds of others rely on cheap labour and lax environmental controls in countries widely regarded as 3rd world, well that and China. 

Until people of Earth wake up from the great illusion that is capitalism we are going most likely to die. Billions of us. In large wars and in small wars, fought over land, oil, rare minerals, water and dozen other things. People up top think they can just do what they have done and continue on without repercussions but there will come a moment where it will unravel and that crash, that one will plunge the world into the darkness. 

[Tex]

Why do some people here hate humans? You would think they are some other species. I'm pretty sure the majority of the players (like around 100 percent) will be human so there is nothing wrong with the game being human centric.

For me atleast I do hate humanity the above is just a small example of why I find our species so disgusting.

[katamuro]

For me atleast I do hate humanity the above is just a small example of why I find our species so disgusting.

 

Yeah, hating is a bit strong. Means you also have to hate yourself. And so far since the only intelligent species we know is humans...

 

I would say my feelings are more of a disappointment, but I guess its typical human behaviour, until something really makes us do something else we are just going to do what we have always done...

[JamieCOTC]

God I hope not. I'd like playable races and ditch the human centric space fascists.

[Heimdall]

Yeah, hating is a bit strong. Means you also have to hate yourself. And so far since the only intelligent species we know is humans...

I would say my feelings are more of a disappointment, but I guess its typical human behaviour, until something really makes us do something else we are just going to do what we have always done...

Oh you guys need to stop with this juvenile pessimism, there's a lot of good mixed in with the bad.

But to get back on topic, I just want to drop the idea that humanity is "special" or more remarkable than the other species. in some intrinsic manner.

[katamuro]

Oh you guys need to stop with this juvenile pessimism, there's a lot of good mixed in with the bad.

But to get back on topic, I just want to drop the idea that humanity is "special" or more remarkable than the other species. in some intrinsic manner.

 

Every species is different and has their good sides. Krogans are incredibly tough and live for a thousand years, asari are all natural biotics and also live for a thousand years, turians have that carapace thing that gives them a boost to radiation shielding also managed to build a empire with meritocracy, vorcha adapt to their environments very quickly. Every species has a few things it does really good so why do so many people begrudge the few things humanity does better than the others? I really don't see where ME series stated that humanity is superior to alien species in some "intrinsic" way 

 

EDIT: ALL species possess their intrinsic value, more remarkable in some ways than the other species so the whole argument is invalid

[goishen]

That was another thing that made this tale.  It was the fact that humanity, in many ways, was the underdog.  Think about it.  Humanity was the latest (out of several other species) to gain mass effect technology.  Humanity was the latest to discover the Citadel.  This also means that humanity is ranked dead last (even below Vorcha!) in terms of weapons development, engine development, overall technological development of all the council races.

 

The Citadel was like a boon to technologies everywhere.  This is one of the hooks that draws you in.  It certainly did me.

[Tex]

Yeah, hating is a bit strong. Means you also have to hate yourself. And so far since the only intelligent species we know is humans...
 
I would say my feelings are more of a disappointment, but I guess its typical human behaviour, until something really makes us do something else we are just going to do what we have always done...

Yeah that's kinda where the whole extreme depreshion comes in because yes I do hate myself and only continue my existence because my family wants me around but that's getting off topic needles to say I meant what I said "sigh" but yes there are good things but it's kinda hard when the bad is so prevalent.

[katamuro]

Yeah that's kinda where the whole extreme depreshion comes in because yes I do hate myself and only continue my existence because my family wants me around but that's getting off topic needles to say I meant what I said "sigh" but yes there are good things but it's kinda hard when the bad is so prevalent.

 

For me it seemed that I will continue to live even if all that it accomplishes is not giving up. While I think that the current state of the world is bad and will get worse I also think that there will be change, enough people will realize what needs to be changed and how and it might take decades but in the end we would have survived as humanity for a bit more. At least we need to live long enough to start propagating out of Earth and into space around us. Build space stations, colonies, O'neil type colony cylinders.

[Heimdall]

Every species is different and has their good sides. Krogans are incredibly tough and live for a thousand years, asari are all natural biotics and also live for a thousand years, turians have that carapace thing that gives them a boost to radiation shielding also managed to build a empire with meritocracy, vorcha adapt to their environments very quickly. Every species has a few things it does really good so why do so many people begrudge the few things humanity does better than the others? I really don't see where ME series stated that humanity is superior to alien species in some "intrinsic" way 

 

EDIT: ALL species possess their intrinsic value, more remarkable in some ways than the other species so the whole argument is invalid

Genetic diversity!  The Reapers have singled us out to be harvested out of all the species in our cycle!  We're also so awesome that we can rattle the Turians and become major galactic players despite being newcomers with only a handful of large colonies.  Argue the use of the word intrinsic all you like, it was still ridiculous and needs to go.

 

You seem to be trying to twist that all species are different to say something unrelated to my point.

[Vazgen]

Just ask Harbinger

 

“Quarian; considered due to cybernetic augmentation, weakened immune system too debilitating.”

“Drell; useless, insufficient numbers.”

“Asari; reliance upon alien species for reproduction shows genetic weakness.”

“Salarian; insufficient lifespan, fragile genetic structure.”

“Geth; an annoyance, limited utility.”

“Krogan; sterilised race, potential wasted.”

“Turian; you are considered...too primitive.”

“Human; viable possibility, aggression factor useful if controlled.”

“Human; viable possibility, impressive genetic malleability.”

“Human; viable possibility, impressive technical potential.”

“Human; viable possibility, if emotional drives are subjugated.”

“Human; viable possibility, great biotic potential.”

 

[ImaginaryMatter]

 

Just ask Harbinger

 

“Quarian; considered due to cybernetic augmentation, weakened immune system too debilitating.”

“Drell; useless, insufficient numbers.”

“Asari; reliance upon alien species for reproduction shows genetic weakness.”

“Salarian; insufficient lifespan, fragile genetic structure.”

“Geth; an annoyance, limited utility.”

“Krogan; sterilised race, potential wasted.”

“Turian; you are considered...too primitive.”

“Human; viable possibility, aggression factor useful if controlled.”

“Human; viable possibility, impressive genetic malleability.”

“Human; viable possibility, impressive technical potential.”

“Human; viable possibility, if emotional drives are subjugated.”

“Human; viable possibility, great biotic potential.”

 

 

 

Harbinger's Asari line just gave me a funny thought. Doesn't he know that Asari can reproduce with members of their own species? Does Liara have to spell things for him?

 

He does say some positive things about the blueberry's though. I'm not an eons old, robotic assclown but if I would be much more interested in a species that has much greater biotic potential, longer lifespans, more technologically advanced, and a rather interesting ability to breed with completely different species (like from an evolutionary standpoint how would this occur?)

[Vazgen]

I like how he can't come up with an excuse for turians

[Gwydden]

Will ME4 be human centric?

 

Hopefully.

 

Gee, here's an idea. How about we keep the majority of characters human and ditch the inane 'humans are super special' garbage?

This

 

I like how he can't come up with an excuse for turians 

I think "too primitive" refers to their tendency to solve everything by blowing stuff up.

[Mcfly616]

I like how he can't come up with an excuse for turians

 Well, they're biotically challenged. This doesn't really matter in the established universe. But, had the Dark Energy plot played out it'd be a very good reason the Reapers didn't view the Turians as the most suitable civilization/species for their needs.

[Wayning_Star]

Nah, there isn't gonna be any  "ME:4...

 

 

 

heheh by any 'other' name?!?

[SwobyJ]

I am alright with Harbinger having an irrational obsession with Shepard.

 

As long as the next game reveals that it was a crush all along and we can romance him.

[Mcfly616]

Beewwwwwbs...