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[Tex]

Harbinger's Asari line just gave me a funny thought. Doesn't he know that Asari can reproduce with members of their own species? Does Liara have to spell things for him?
 
He does say some positive things about the blueberry's though. I'm not an eons old, robotic assclown but if I would be much more interested in a species that has much greater biotic potential, longer lifespans, more technologically advanced, and a rather interesting ability to breed with completely different species (like from an evolutionary standpoint how would this occur?)

Hey they come in other colours. on a more serious note. Why do you call them blueberries?

[ImaginaryMatter]

Hey they come in other colours. on a more serious note. Why do you call them blueberries?

 

Some one else (or maybe several people?) calls them blueberries. I found it amusing and started using it when I felt I had used the word 'Asari' too much. Sometimes I use it in a somewhat derogatory way because they are probably my least favorite ME race after the Vorcha (which stems from the constant, subtle feeling that a lot of their design was fanservice).

[Tex]

Oh I see I thought it sounded a bit derogatory but I just played it of as a silly name oh well it's a shame people feel that way about them "sigh" but different people have different veiws I guess.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Oh I see I thought it sounded a bit derogatory but I just played it of as a silly name oh well it's a shame people feel that way about them "sigh" but different people have different veiws I guess.

 

Don't you feel anything off about their design though? I don't hate or really even dislike the Asari. But a race of young, slightly exotic, C+ woman feels a little too much like pandering.

[katamuro]

I am tired explaining to people how genetic diversity doesn't mean what they think it means. I am tired of trying to explain to people that while sure humans have been made special by the games to some extent they were not made "better" or "uber-special" like people seem to think. I am more than sure that if the main character was a turian or asari there would have been exactly the same complaint. 

So I am signing off from this thread because it seems to run in a circle with people completely disregarding any explanations contrary to their "humans are special and I dont like it" idea. 

[Tex]

Don't you feel anything off about their design though? I don't hate or really even dislike the Asari. But a race of young, slightly exotic, C+ woman feels a little too much like pandering.

Hm I don't know for me personally they're my favourite race I see them as the elves of Mass effect execept better because they're a race that doesn't need nor require men and to me atleast that is a beautiful and amazing thing. As for the boobs I'd only be anoyed if they were all walking around with DD's or bigger A, B and C's are all well and good but that would be just silly to me at least. But everyones got their preferences I suppose.

[KaiserShep]

I am tired explaining to people how genetic diversity doesn't mean what they think it means. I am tired of trying to explain to people that while sure humans have been made special by the games to some extent they were not made "better" or "uber-special" like people seem to think. I am more than sure that if the main character was a turian or asari there would have been exactly the same complaint. 

So I am signing off from this thread because it seems to run in a circle with people completely disregarding any explanations contrary to their "humans are special and I dont like it" idea. 

 

As far as the genetic diversity thing is concerned, the damage is pretty much done. The best thing to do is just do what ME3 did: never mention it again.

[Drone223]

As far as the genetic diversity thing is concerned, the damage is pretty much done. The best thing to do is just do what ME3 did: never mention it again.

Yep and any plot points regarding it.

[Tex]

Hm you know what I find funny a lot of people seem to choose to save the Geth but then they go and pick the destroy ending wiping out any non organic life's oh the irony.

[KaiserShep]

Hm you know what I find funny a lot of people seem to choose to save the Geth but then they go and pick the destroy ending wiping out any non organic life's oh the irony.

 

Well, when I brokered peace between the geth and quarians, there was no way I would expect the cosmic lollipop to possess the power to be super selective and have a delete all AI function. But I just couldn't imagine my Shepard dying for the robots either. In the end, it's all about the dead reapers. After wiping out 300,000 batarians just to slow them down, getting rid of synthetics to get rid of the machine gods was a breeze.

[Heimdall]

Hm I don't know for me personally they're my favourite race I see them as the elves of Mass effect execept better because they're a race that doesn't need nor require men and to me atleast that is a beautiful and amazing thing.

...Wait, what? Not sure I like the "better off without men" idea I'm reading here.

[SNascimento]

My problem with the Asari is that they scream fan service, an excuse to have another race other than humans dancing at bars. 

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I wouldn't call the Mass Effect universe human centric. Humanity is rising up fast in the trilogy, but the galaxy doesn't revolve around them. And even if the reapers take a special interest on mankind - which is only natural it's a game made by humans - they don't ignore all other species. The war in ME3 was spearheaded by Shepard, but most the major battles were thought outside human terriotory in Tuchanka, Rannoch, Palaven and Tessia for example. Cerberus, as awesome as they are, was overused though. 

[Vortex13]

My problem with the Asari is that they scream fan service, an excuse to have another race other than humans dancing at bars. 

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I wouldn't call the Mass Effect universe human centric. Humanity is rising up fast in the trilogy, but the galaxy doesn't revolve around them. And even if the reapers take a special interest on mankind - which is only natural it's a game made by humans - they don't ignore all other species. The war in ME3 was spearheaded by Shepard, but most the major battles were thought outside human terriotory in Tuchanka, Rannoch, Palaven and Tessia for example. Cerberus, as awesome as they are, was overused though. 

 

 

 

Cerberus was the poster child of everything I hated about "humans are special" troupe in the setting to be honest.

 

 

A pro-humanity organization that has only been present in the galactic scene for around 30 years somehow has better scientists/spies than the Salarians, more money than the Volus-backed corporations, more high-end military hardware than the Turians, etc. It got to the point that Cerberus was the defining point of many characters' reputations; how many NPCs  claim to fame was that they fought Cerberus that one time?

[StealthGamer92]

My problem with the Asari is that they scream fan service, an excuse to have another race other than humans dancing at bars. 

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I wouldn't call the Mass Effect universe human centric. Humanity is rising up fast in the trilogy, but the galaxy doesn't revolve around them. And even if the reapers take a special interest on mankind - which is only natural it's a game made by humans - they don't ignore all other species. The war in ME3 was spearheaded by Shepard, but most the major battles were thought outside human terriotory in Tuchanka, Rannoch, Palaven and Tessia for example. Cerberus, as awesome as they are, was overused though. 

They focused on Earth first though.

[ImaginaryMatter]

As far as the genetic diversity thing is concerned, the damage is pretty much done. The best thing to do is just do what ME3 did: never mention it again.

 

I was never a fan of it, but the one thing it did do was give the Reapers a tangible reason to be interested in humanity.

[StealthGamer92]

I was never a fan of it, but the one thing it did do was give the Reapers a tangible reason to be interested in humanity.

I thought they were mainly after humanity because Shepard played the key role in Sverign's destruction thus making them percieve our species percieved as a possible threat?

[Tex]

I thought they were mainly after humanity because Shepard played the key role in Sverign's destruction thus making them percieve our species percieved as a possible threat?

Hm but saying that wouldn't it have made more sense for them too just go after Shepard because if you think about it the only special one among the human species was Shepherd and in the end s'he was only half human with the things the Lazarus project did to bring Shephard back to life even though it's arguable that it wasn't really him/her that was bought back and not just someone or something who truly believed that they were Shepard. For this reason I always changed the hair and eye colour as well as choosing a shorter hair and changing the personality slightly from what it was in the first mass effect but that's just me.

P.s the hair shortening was because I didn't personaly believe that the hair would have fully grown back by the time she had awoken "sigh" but that's just my opinion everyone is different so you'd have your own explanation for it which is fine this is just mine.

[Han Shot First]

Cerberus was the poster child of everything I hated about "humans are special" troupe in the setting to be honest.

 

 

A pro-humanity organization that has only been present in the galactic scene for around 30 years somehow has better scientists/spies than the Salarians, more money than the Volus-backed corporations, more high-end military hardware than the Turians, etc. It got to the point that Cerberus was the defining point of many characters' reputations; how many NPCs  claim to fame was that they fought Cerberus that one time?

 

If we never hear of Cerberus again the series will be the better for it. 

 

Any Star Wars fans here? Cerberus was almost as bad as Karen Traviss' Mandalorians.

[Mcfly616]

Not sure who Karen Traviss is. Never got too deep into the EU. But imo the Mandalorians are bad ass.

[Tex]

...Wait, what? Not sure I like the "better off without men" idea I'm reading here.

Hm how so? I'm always open to hear other people's takes on the subject so please do elaborate.

[Han Shot First]

Not sure who Karen Traviss is. Never got too deep into the EU. But imo the Mandalorians are bad ass.

 

She is one of the EU authors, and a controversial one among many Star Wars fans. The Mandalorians are bad ass, but she took into god mode territory and at the expense of the Jedi and the Sith. She also disregarded previous books and canon to engage in Mandalorian fan-wanking. 

 

This blog gives a good rundown of the controversy, if you're interested:

 

The Mandalorian Mistake

[Heimdall]

Hm how so? I'm always open to hear other people's takes on the subject so please do elaborate.

Well, having a monogendered species is novel and all, but the way you phrased it they are "amazing and beautiful" for lacking men. I like the Asari myself, but the reason you gave makes it sound like its the fact that they have no men that attracts you.

Which sounds a bit like misandry to me.

[Vortex13]

 

She is one of the EU authors, and a controversial one among many Star Wars fans. The Mandalorians are bad ass, but she took into god mode territory and at the expense of the Jedi and the Sith. She also disregarded previous books and canon to engage in Mandalorian fan-wanking. 

 

This blog gives a good rundown of the controversy, if you're interested:

 

The Mandalorian Mistake

 

 

I am aware of her, but haven't read any of her work as I was never really into the Star Wars EU.

 

 

Although in using the Cerberus/Star Wars comparison for the general lore, I would have to say that I hated how the Jedi/Sith were god mode to the rest of the setting for the most part. A soldier that trains for their entire adult life in combat and wartime tactics is automatically trumped by a kid with a laser sword because, "The Force". 

 

 

That and machines designed for the sole purpose of war apparently having the intelligence of mentally challenged gerbils, with one or two Jedi being able to single handedly wipe out whole platoons of the droids. The one piece of EU lore that I think captured the droid and 'mundanes' perfectly was Republic Commando.

[Tex]

Well, having a monogendered species is novel and all, but the way you phrased it they are "amazing and beautiful" for lacking men. I like the Asari myself, but the reason you gave makes it sound like its the fact that they have no men that attracts you.
Which sounds a bit misandrist to me.

Ah I see unfortunately you would be right "sigh" even though I myself am infact male I despise male's as a species that's probably why I refuse to play a game if I'm stuck being male add to that the fact I identify as gender neutral and my genders probably a resnable chunk of my extreme depreshion and anxiety. It's just funny because it's not men as individuals that I hate infact I've had several male friends but yet I find the Males as a species to be in my eyes atleast an abomination I'm sorry if this offends for that is not my intention it's just who I am and wanted to answer your query in hindsight I probably shouldn't post this but I felt you deserved an explanation.

[fraggle]

Hm but saying that wouldn't it have made more sense for them too just go after Shepard because if you think about it the only special one among the human species was Shepherd and in the end s'he was only half human with the things the Lazarus project did to bring Shephard back to life even though it's arguable that it wasn't really him/her that was bought back and not just someone or something who truly believed that they were Shepard.

 

They kinda did that though, didn't they? The Collector Ship at the beginning of ME2 targeted the Normandy specifically and basically killed Shep, but they probably hadn't expected Shep coming back to life.

Also Arrival DLC? They indoctrinated Kenson to lure Shepard into the trap and get rid of him/her in that way.

 

I am with StealthGamer92 on this, I think Shep made humans interesting enough for them to further study them.