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[helpthisguyplease]

 Obsidian are great developers and now they seem to have fixed their huge amount of bug problems that haunted their games so they clearly improved but they still lack the ability to make a good fantasy universe and especially creating good characters. Bioware may not be better then Obsidian in quite a few things but in making a great universe and good and sometimes even great characters they are clearly better. What do you all think?

[Robert Cousland]

I think your grammar is atrocious.

[Andraste_Reborn]

I think Pillars of Eternity is pretty great, and I'm enjoying it so far!

 

However, it does seem to me so far that the relationships between the PoE player and the companions are lacking in texture. All that happens between us is that now and again they want to talk to me and I get another chunk of information about their life and goals. Maybe it's better after you complete some companion quests? I do find myself missing characters who can actually simulate liking or hating my PC, rather than just infodumping at her every now and then. Also, the banter isn't a patch on any Dragon Age game. So, yes, I guess in that sense it's reminding me of things BioWare does better than Obsidian. Never felt a sense of a sense of a relationship with any of the NWN2 characters, either, although things were significantly better in Mask of the Betrayer. (But then, what wasn't?)

 

The PoE characters themselves, though, are an interesting bunch so far. Sagani and Kana Rua are my favourites .

[ElementalFury106]

I think it's better to simply appreciate what both companies produce rather than compare them competitively.

[helpthisguyplease]

I think Pillars of Eternity is pretty great, and I'm enjoying it so far!

 

However, it does seem to me so far that the relationships between the PoE player and the companions are lacking in texture. All that happens between us is that now and again they want to talk to me and I get another chunk of information about their life and goals. Maybe it's better after you complete some companion quests? I do find myself missing characters who can actually simulate liking or hating my PC, rather than just infodumping at her every now and then. Also, the banter isn't a patch on any Dragon Age game. So, yes, I guess in that sense it's reminding me of things BioWare does better than Obsidian. Never felt a sense of a sense of a relationship with any of the NWN2 characters, either, although things were significantly better in Mask of the Betrayer. (But then, what wasn't?)

 

The PoE characters themselves, though, are an interesting bunch so far. Sagani and Kana Rua are my favourites .

 There are companions were the only quest they have is only talking to them.

 

 

I think it's better to simply appreciate what both companies produce rather than compare them competitively.

 Its hard since they are on the same niche and are the biggest names. Its also funny how well they can complete each other's flaws.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

I don't know why people act like Obsidian is the king of Bugs. South Park came out bug free and every Dragon Age has come out with massive amounts of bugs. Hell, Awakening is still a bugged mess.

 

Also Obsidian can make great characters. KOTOR 2 proved that.

[SofaJockey]

I think it's better to simply appreciate what both companies produce rather than compare them competitively.

 

I agree, please do we have to do this kind of discussion?

They are different games, please discuss PoE in the Lobby if you like.

 

Will we get umpteen Witcher threads in May?

[helpthisguyplease]

I don't know why people act like Obsidian is the king of Bugs. South Park came out bug free and every Dragon Age has come out with massive amounts of bugs. Hell, Awakening is still a bugged mess.

 

Also Obsidian can make great characters. KOTOR 2 proved that.

^Well Kreya certanly let a impression on me. But do you also remember the bugs on KOTOR 2, NWN 2, Fallout New Vegas and all other games besides Pillars of Eternity?

 When I say they improved in that area they really improved.

I agree, please do we have to do this kind of discussion?

They are different games, please discuss PoE in the Lobby if you like.

 

Will we get umpteen Witcher threads in May?

 What is PoE and were do forum users get the new slang for terms in Video Games I always seem to get left out?

[Iakus]

 

Also Obsidian can make great characters. KOTOR 2 proved that.

And Alpha Protocol.

 

This is the company that created Steven Heck, after all

[TMA LIVE]

I tried playing Alpha Protocol. I really did try. But I hated the dialogue system. I just didn't get it. Why would I pick a joke response if I don't know what he's gonna joke about? Why would I pick an angry response if there's nothing to be angry about, or what the response it gonna be aimed at? I mean, if I pick that, am I gonna be angry at the mission, or the person I'm taking to? What's the context? It's stuff like that made me quit because I can't roleplay without some context. And that's just the dialogue system. The combat system alone was not fun and buggy. So I quit after the training level.

[Andraste_Reborn]

Will we get umpteen Witcher threads in May?

 

Yes. Upwards of 90% of them will be some variation on 'Witcher 3 rocks, Inquisition suxxorz.'

[SofaJockey]

Yes. Upwards of 90% of them will be some variation on 'Witcher 3 rocks, Inquisition suxxorz.'

 

Interestingly a discussion thread grumbling about DAI is more likely to get nija'd by the moderators on the Witcher forums than here.

They are very intolerant (reasonably so) of that kind of thing.

[o Ventus]

Yes. Upwards of 90% of them will be some variation on 'Witcher 3 rocks, Inquisition suxxorz.'

I'm saving this just in case.

[o Ventus]

Interestingly a discussion thread grumbling about DAI is more likely to get nija'd by the moderators on the Witcher forums than here.

They are very intolerant (reasonably so) of that kind of thing.

...? Have you seen the threads here? A good half the threads on page 1 of most of the DAI boards are different variations of "Bioware you suck at X and DAI is trash". The Scuttlebutt (spoilers) section seems fine today, but the non-spoiler Scuttlebutt and the Feedback & Suggestions boards are both bad.

 

Then again, the mods don't seem to follow any kind of rules when it comes to locking and banning. The Drinkquisition thread has been open since forever, and it's a glorified waste of forum space. According to the site rules, it's a thread full of spam. Likewise, someone can post something full of vitriol and nonstop swear words and they'll get a warning point or their post will get deleted. Another person does something similar and they get outright banned.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Bioware is better ?

 

If you like over the top action MMO combat in an open world filled with repetitive side quests combined with merely three classes and merely four races and no modding support...then yeah...Bioware is better. 

 

I am the kind of guy who does not give much of a f**k about graphics or voice acting. I prefer gameplay, variety, diversity, stats that matter, decent nonrestrictive interface...*cough* 8 ability lock in combat because 8x4 =32 and that is enough *cough*.....

 

So I am always going to pick Pillar of Eternity over Dragon Age Inquisition in terms of preference. 

 

But your mileage may vary.

 

Anyway, this should be in Off-Topic. 

[SofaJockey]

Anyway, this should be in Off-Topic. 

 

(+1 to that ...)

[helpthisguyplease]

^I never said that is overall better then Obsidian they are just better at making better in game universes and of course characters, be they companions or npc or even antagonists(current game DAI is not a good example of that but the rest are for antagonists) .

[King Cousland]

I agree, please do we have to do this kind of discussion?

They are different games, please discuss PoE in the Lobby if you like.

 

Will we get umpteen Witcher threads in May?

 

Of course, but will the comparison be so unfair? The Witcher 3 is attempting essentially the same things as Inquisition this time around, namely blending a choice-based narrative with an open world. It is not only perfectly legitimate to compare the games on this basis but actually conducive to the future success of both franchises. 

[SofaJockey]

Of course, but will the comparison be so unfair? The Witcher 3 is attempting essentially the same things as Inquisition this time around, namely blending a choice-based narrative with an open world. It is not only perfectly legitimate to compare the games on this basis but actually conducive to the future success of both franchises. 

 

Unfair? Perhaps not if handled constructively, but like discussions about the relative merits of Xbox and Playstation, it rarely ends well...

In any case, one is about a very defined protagonist, DAI is more fluid, one for 5 platforms, the other for next gen.

This is a DA forum, let Witcher debates be in the Lobby.

The Witcher forum wouldn't countenance such a discussion thread, nor should this one.

[Dr. rotinaj]

I don't know why people act like Obsidian is the king of Bugs. South Park came out bug free and every Dragon Age has come out with massive amounts of bugs. Hell, Awakening is still a bugged mess.

 

Also Obsidian can make great characters. KOTOR 2 proved that.

 

I feel so sorry for Obsidian sometimes. They have such great games but their reputation is tarnished by all the bugs. Sometimes it's not all on them. Bethesda made Obsidian make NV with the FO3 engine and people complained that the game was buggy and looked dated. Lucas arts rushed KOTOR 2 for holiday release and people complained that it was buggy. Now they can't make a game without being scrutinized as that company that makes buggy games.

 

It's so annoying because every game Bethesda develops is riddled with bugs. Difference is that people refer to Bethesda bugs endearingly while Obsidian is incompetent and lazy. I'm glad Obsidian is turning it around with South Park and PoE, they deserve the rep boost.

 

Bahh ignore my off-topic whining. I'm just salty that there's no Alpha Protocol 2.

[Vandicus]

My overall impression of Pillars of Eternity so far, is that NWN2 was a better game. However, I've only played a little bit further then Act 1 due to the obnoxious cage cursor bug, which requires me to constantly reset the cage cursor setting if I want the game to feel at all enjoyable. 

 

The stronghold they've done in PoE is nifty, and I would say actually better than the one in NWN2(the one in DA:I isn't really a comparison, its pretty but doesn't actually do much).

 

However, PoE doesn't really seem to do much of note that's an improvement over old school rpgs. It is not an old school rpg but better, its simply an old school rpg with somewhat updated graphics. 

[Todrazok]

My overall impression of Pillars of Eternity so far, is that NWN2 was a better game. However, I've only played a little bit further then Act 1 due to the obnoxious cage cursor bug, which requires me to constantly reset the cage cursor setting if I want the game to feel at all enjoyable. 

 

The stronghold they've done in PoE is nifty, and I would say actually better than the one in NWN2(the one in DA:I isn't really a comparison, its pretty but doesn't actually do much).

 

However, PoE doesn't really seem to do much of note that's an improvement over old school rpgs. It is not an old school rpg but better, its simply an old school rpg with somewhat updated graphics. 

 

Tabbing out and in the game again has worked out for me, but yeah it's rather annoying. Hopefully it gets fixed soon.

[Monica83]

My two cents...

 

Is simply obsidian with pillars of eternity made a RPG for people that loves RPG...

 

Bioware games are now a lot more action oriented... There is this Michel Bay feeling on their title... Also they tend to be streamlined at the point well...

Seems to me they are doing rpg for people that dislikes RPG....

 

Bioware lost his touch sadly.. It is evolved in the cool cinematic way of things and this is really sad...

 

I had a lot more immersion in the first 10 minutes of game of pillars of eternity than in the whole Dragon age inquisition... Dragon age inquisition is a huge title but suffers from a huge overall lack... Depth....

[Unpleasant Implications]

And Alpha Protocol.

This is the company that created Steven Heck, after all

Now if only their games were more playable.

[llandwynwyn]

I love Obsidian, but PoE has been a frustrating experience for me. I'm bored and forcing myself to play the game. Also, scared shitless of getting the ranger bug, I'd it in the beta and the problem isn't fixed from what I've heard.