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[leaguer of one]

The common perception among mainstream Andrastians is that the Maker condemned the world to suffer the darkspawn and the Blight because of what five Magisters did; it's part of the reason why some people, like Xil, don't have a high opinion about the Maker. I can certainly understand the complaint made by the OP in regards to how it seems like the Avvar's faith is denigrated because of outside information (in terms of "gods" simply being "spirits"), but as Xil said, it doesn't make the Andrastian faith true even if the Avvar are mistaken in their identification of spirits as "gods".

1. It may not be a mistake. This maybe how the elven gods were named.

2.Do you know how crazy thing will go once people find out it was the elves of old that started the blight?

3.And back to may first point. The aspect of god here is made ironic slowly with what were are learning what gods really are in da. With the case with the god of Avvar, they make their own gods. The say they are a refection of what there people believe, meaning they become what they want them to become over time. Just like how spiritS become embodiment of faith, justice, and Compassion. If gods are just refection of peoples beliefs then that would mean the Maker would exists but is only turning away because people believe he is turning away.

[Dragonzzilla]

Now let me quietly mourn the loss of my own thread.

[Steelcan]

Now let me quietly mourn the loss of my own thread.

its ok OP, it happens to everyone at some point

[leaguer of one]

I'd say there still a difference between a powerful spirit or mage and a full on deity

*Points at Jaws.

 

That's the difference. It's just a powerful human or beast bounded to a power full spirit. That's all it is.

[AresKeith]

its ok OP, it happens to everyone at some point

 

Not me 

[Steelcan]

*Points at Jaws.

 

That's the difference. It's just a powerful human or beast bounded to a power full spirit. That's all it is.

nah, a true deity is capable of more, things like creation of life and lands, like being an actual creator, or being immortal (not quasi-immortal as spirits and Corypheus are)

[Dragonzzilla]

Not me 

Then I'll see you in hell.

[leaguer of one]

nah, a true deity is capable of more, things like creation of life and lands, like being an actual creator, or being immortal (not quasi-immortal as spirits and Corypheus are)

Not one of the elven gods could do that. All they did was take what was already here and remake it. What a DA god is not what an all powerful god is.

[Steelcan]

Not one of the elven gods could do that. All they did was take what was already here and remake it. What a DA god is not what an all powerful god is.

the Maker supposedly did that, making him the only real God in the DA verse

[LOLandStuff]

So much for godhood if you and your pals get stuck in a mirror because of one guy.

[Scuttlebutt101]

Not one of the elven gods could do that. All they did was take what was already here and remake it. What a DA god is not what an all powerful god is.

Or the elven "gods" were never actually gods.

[Br3admax]

the Maker supposedly did that, making him the only real God in the DA verse

god(n): (in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.

[LOLandStuff]

Or the elven "gods" were never actually gods.

 

I'd say they were hoarding more than one powerful spirit.

[The Hierophant]

1. It may not be a mistake. This maybe how the elven gods were named.
2.Do you know how crazy thing will go once people find out it was the elves of old that started the blight?
3.And back to may first point. The aspect of god here is made ironic slowly with what were are learning what gods really are in da. With the case with the god of Avvar, they make their own gods. The say they are a refection of what there people believe, meaning they become what they want them to become over time. Just like how spirit become embodiment of faith, justice, and Compassion. If gods are just refection of peoples beliefs then that would mean the Maker would exists but is only turning away because people believe he is turning away.

The 3rd point is genius. In short a deity could possess numerous traits, and personas due to their existence being shaped by how Thedas' various cultures perceive them.

[Steelcan]

god(n): (in certain other religions) a superhuman being or spirit worshiped as having power over nature or human fortunes; a deity.

power over nature being important, spirits can't mess with the physical world

[leaguer of one]

Or the elven "gods" were never actually gods.

No, they were gods...Just More like the Norse  and Greek gods.

[leaguer of one]

The 3rd point is genius. In short a deity could possess numerous traits, and personas due to their existence being shaped by how Thedas' various cultures perceive them.

Yep...Just like gods in DnD.

[Br3admax]

power over nature being important, spirits can't mess with the physical world

OR human fortunes. 

[Rekkampum]

I'd say there still a difference between a powerful spirit or mage and a full on deity

 

Of course, but I think there's a point when said-being has reached a threshold where their inherent nature becomes irrelevant in comparison to others. Then of course, there are all the theological trappings associated with trying to determine what defines a deity. I imagine such is how the elvhen gods were in their prime.

[Steelcan]

No, they were gods...Just More like the Norse  and Greek gods.

Greek gods were attributed as immortal, the Norse gods were also immortal outside their fated deaths at Ragnorok, I don't think the elven gods are even considered to be immortal

[Rekkampum]

power over nature being important, spirits can't mess with the physical world

 

Actually, spirits can if they're powerful enough; Cole is a shining example of this.

[AresKeith]

Actually, spirits can if they're powerful enough; Cole is a shining example of this.

 

If only he would stop being such a glass cannon 

[Steelcan]

OR human fortunes. 

Do we have evidence of spirits acting as massive guiding forces in Thedas?  The Avvar use them but not really to shape the world and there's Solas's "matchmaker" but they aren't exactly acting out the Iliad, the Elven Gods may have been more of an exception but we don't know ow direct a roll they played outside of stories

[Steelcan]

Actually, spirits can if they're powerful enough; Cole is a shining example of this.

well they can walk on it and such, but they can't create land from nothing

[Dragonzzilla]

Hey, by the way, just reminding why I posted this:

 

Endline: Everything fits into our accumulated view of the Fade; there seems to beg the question of "What is that, truly?" It's always a spirit or demon that fits the bills we know.