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Dragon Age needs its "Red Wedding" moment


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#126
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So you agree that he's not winning in this plan as well.


No.

I believe he wins either way.

Victory is inconsequential to that.

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No.

I believe he wins either way.

Victory is inconsequential to that.

No being able to achieve your goal mean's your not winning. And his goal is to rule Orlias. If he dies and does not do that then it means he loses.



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Because Celene's guards and the quis' guard are there as well as Bala's spies. It's not on even ground because he has no clue to the numbers he will be facing now. He lost the element of surprise that would of given him an advantage.

Celene doesn't seem to think he'll actually attack, just posture and move troops, I'd say an all out attack would come as a surprise


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Celene doesn't seem to think he'll actually attack, just posture and move troops, I'd say an all out attack would come as a surprise

You do understand she is leading him into a trap with out him knowing about it? The idea would be she would attack first. She was never going to expose him to stop him from attacking.



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You do understand she is leading him into a trap with out him knowing about it? The idea would be she would attack first. She was never going to expose him to stop him from attacking.

she plans to have him arrested for treason for bringing the troops in, she doesn't say she's going to physically attack him


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#131
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No being able to achieve your goal mean's your not winning. And his goal is to rule Orlias. If he dies and does not do that then it means he loses.


That's dependent on priority of the moment.

Little else.

#132
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Plus to him failing even results in a better outcome, he gets to meet his end in his element, in combat.

He gets to go to the pyre atop his shield covered in blood and glory rather then facing mere execution.

He'd get to fight and die alongside his men.

Probably a good thing that that didn't happen, then.



#133
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Inspiration has struck again. Instead of 'Red Wedding' (ugh) what we need is a scene like in the anime Berzerk! where your character sacrifices all but one of your companions for greater power. When Griffith sacrificed his "Band of the Hawk" to become Femto it was the ultimate betrayal. That's a better scene and it can have all the demons we want.



#134
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I feel as though Bioware's writers need to realize that a world-ending calamity doesn't necessarily give way to emotional investment in the story. We barely had a moment to interact with Corypheus as a villain in DA: I, and it severely diminished his relevance as an antagonist as a result. If the game had been set up in a fashion where preventing Empress Celene's murder would've meant Corypheus gained control over the Wardens, or on the flip side that freeing the Wardens ensured Celene's murder - the branching paths of the story and their consequences would've been keenly felt. Left Celene to her fate? Then Vivienne and the circle mages leave the Inquisition, branding you apostates. Left the Wardens to their corruption? Blackwall & Hawke remove their support, and Alistair/Loghain become the enemy. 

 

Unfortunately after the fall of Haven there were no moments where Corypheus ever gained the upper hand - no moments like where Saren sealed the fate of one of Shepard's crew, or Harbinger destroyed the Normandy, or the Illusive man killed Anderson. There was no opportunity given for me to hate his guts. I'm still praying that Bioware releases a DLC where Corypheus gets a moment to be relevant - or interesting - as an antagonist.  



#135
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Dragon Age Origins, Noble origins is as red wedding as it gets in Dragon Age. Your entire family is wiped out by another Noble house, and your castle is sacked.