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[Cunning Villain]

I don't really support the use of marijuana. However, I do support the legalization of marijuana and decriminalization of drugs on a federal level. Legalizing marijuana would create jobs and get "criminals" out of jail who never should've been there in the first place--which has led to the rampant overpopulation in American prisons today--another major problem that's a product of the vaunted "War on Drugs".

 

The only thing we can all likely agree on is that the USA's "War on Drugs" was largely ineffective & counter-productive. Also the propaganda surrounding marijuana has been misleading in the extreme

 

Largely ineffective?" The "War on Drugs" has been a failure on par with the Vietnam War, the "War on Terror" and alcohol prohibition.  It has done nothing to deter use or stem the tide of the illegal drug trade/drug-related crime. If anything, it has been a contributing factor in all of those cases. The "War on Drugs" has been and is an unmitigated disaster, and there's no use in pretending otherwise.

 

I'll just take a quote straight from my favorite politician of all-time and fellow Libertarian, Ron Paul, on this issue:

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"I expect that someday the country will wake up and suddenly decide, as we did in 1933, that prohibition to improve personal behavior is lost cause, and the second repeal of prohibition will occur. This is more likely now than ever before because of the growing perception that the federal government is inept and more Americans are becoming aware of the senselessness of the war on drugs."

[2Pac]

Yes it needs to be made legal in all states.  

[ObserverStatus]

Hell yeah, legalize erryday.

 

[mybudgee]

relevant: (esp to me & my fellow Coloradans)

 

 

http://www.washingto...illion-by-2016/

[Farangbaa]

That weed is illegal is absolutely hilarious, considering the substances you can buy legally that can outright kill you.

Alcohol, for starters.

I happen to live in a country where it's not illegal... and also not legal. Shops can sell it legally, but have to buy their inventory illegaly.

That's the Netherlands for you Though there are talks of legalizing and taxing it, as this would instantly turn our government deficit in a government surplus. We should, and do like the Scandinavian countries: pile up the money. I forgot which country exactly, I think it's Norway, but that's one of the few countries in the world that actually has money, instead of debt. (they ammased their wealth with oil though, not weed I doubt the stuff even grows in Norway without articial help lol)

[TEWR]

Yes

[God]

And that was because that person ran a red light...

 

American Police Department people!

 

No, that's not because he ran a red light. 

 

It's because he was black. The car he was driving was obviously stolen, and there was obviously a body in the trunk, along with a meth lab, illegal weapons (an oxymoron in some states), and the guy was driving the car to a house he intended to rob, while raping the white anglo-saxon protestant stay at home soccer mom and her beauty pageant winning daughter.

 

On an aside, let's leave the American bashing of internal problems to the Americans. We know it best, and we'll do it better.

[God]

I don't really support the use of marijuana. However, I do support the legalization of marijuana and decriminalization of drugs on a federal level. Legalizing marijuana would create jobs and get "criminals" out of jail who never should've been there in the first place--which has led to the rampant overpopulation in American prisons today--another major problem that's a product of the vaunted "War on Drugs".

 

 

Largely ineffective?" The "War on Drugs" has been a failure on par with the Vietnam War, the "War on Terror" and alcohol prohibition.  It has done nothing to deter use or stem the tide of the illegal drug trade/drug-related crime. If anything, it has been a contributing factor in all of those cases. The "War on Drugs" has been and is an unmitigated disaster, and there's no use in pretending otherwise.

 

I'll just take a quote straight from my favorite politician of all-time and fellow Libertarian, Ron Paul, on this issue:

________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

"I expect that someday the country will wake up and suddenly decide, as we did in 1933, that prohibition to improve personal behavior is lost cause, and the second repeal of prohibition will occur. This is more likely now than ever before because of the growing perception that the federal government is inept and more Americans are becoming aware of the senselessness of the war on drugs."

 

Well, you can't conduct war on a plant. The whole philosophy behind the War on Drugs (or anything else the Republicans decide to call a War on anything) is screwed priorities and shows that the government (at least the GoP anyway) doesn't understand the issue and is mostly against it out of either a moral panic or some interest group lobbying them. 

 

It'd be much more effective to call it the War to Curb the Drug Trade's activities into the United States. They aren't fighting or targeting the right people. We need to prevent the problems from getting into our country and take the fight to Cartels, not just throw every person caught in possession into the slammer. It's not a matter of us doing something useless, it's that we are making something that could be useful into something useless. It runs the same on the War on Terror. You can't 'fight' a philosophy. You can halt it or stop it in areas where it spreads. As I said, it should not be 'The War on Terror', it should be 'The War on Terrorists (who do present a very real radical and violent agenda)'. As you say, the War on Drugs hasn't been effective, because it's not addressing the core issue: the illegal drug trade.

 

The original 'War on Drugs' was partly used as a means to topple Socialist or Communist regimes in Central and South America (and replace them with hardcore right-wing regimes that were often no different in their heavy-handed approach to their population.

 

Ugh, Ronnie. I mean, he's not the worst of the lot, but he's not the best either. I suppose he's the best of the Republicans. And that's saying something, considering I have a very negative opinion of Libertarians in general.

 

With a few exceptions, I prefer Bernie Sanders.

[DEUGH Man]

Where are you living?

 

Colorado, the state of mountains and bad drivers.

[Dio Demon]

No, that's not because he ran a red light. 

 

It's because he was black. The car he was driving was obviously stolen, and there was obviously a body in the trunk, along with a meth lab, illegal weapons (an oxymoron in some states), and the guy was driving the car to a house he intended to rob, while raping the white anglo-saxon protestant stay at home soccer mom and her beauty pageant winning daughter.

 

On an aside, let's leave the American bashing of internal problems to the Americans. We know it best, and we'll do it better.

I thought that only happened with the LAPD?

 

I can't you learn how to mock other countries by trying to do it and perfect it.

 

I've perfected my TSA jokes over time...

[TurianRebel212]

I think cocaine should be made legal. But the Bush Family Dynasty and CIA would probably go bankrupt if that happened. 

[God]

I thought that only happened with the LAPD?

 

I can't you learn how to mock other countries by trying to do it and perfect it.

 

I've perfected my TSA jokes over time...

 

Nope, it's happening all over. And it's starting to spread to white people too. Militarization of the police. 

 

 

 

 

 

I can tell you the truth about both. I've been to both. There's more of a 'military' presence in Boston now than Kabul.

 

[God]

The sheriff's department in my home county just ordered 16 MRAP vehicles.

 

That's Mine Resistant Ambush Protected Vehicle. For a place that looks like this

 

 

An MRAP saved my life in Afghanistan. It's built to survive heavy engagements and armor penetrating IED's and EFP's.

 

And my county sheriff thinks we need these in the place above.

[Dio Demon]

Bright side... no one is going to park illegally anymore with military vehicles around

[o Ventus]

I don't know why people are posting pictures of SWAT and trying to say it's the normal, every day police. That's like trying to say the Navy SEALS are just your average infantry.

[TurianRebel212]

Nope, it's happening all over. And it's starting to spread to white people too. Militarization of the police. 

 

 

 

 

 

I can tell you the truth about both. I've been to both. There's more of a 'military' presence in Boston now than Kabul.

 

 

Yep. It's out of control. But so his AR ownership for US civilians. And, too be honest. The Europeans are in a worst police state. I remember when the terrible terrorist attack happened to the French journalists and seeing all the HRT and dynamic entry teams of the Paris PD, armed with MP7's, P90s and Fama's PDW's and ARs. And in France.... You can't own an AR and you can't even have a handgun in Paris proper. In fact the only guns you can own in France the don't require an uber special permit are Side by side or up and over shotguns or bolt action action non magazine fed rifles..... And yet their police are armed with state of the art PDW's and AR's.... Yeah. 

 

 

 

So.... Yeah. 

[TurianRebel212]

The sheriff's department in my home county just ordered 16 MRAP vehicles.

 

That's Mine Resistant Ambush Protected Vehicle. For a place that looks like this

 

 

An MRAP saved my life in Afghanistan. It's built to survive heavy engagements and armor penetrating IED's and EFP's.

 

And my county sheriff thinks we need these in the place above.

 

Yeah, that's nothing tho. I grew up in one of the most affluent counties in the country with a small population and a very non violent population and we had the MRAP and a dozen M4A1s and a special dynamic entry Swat team for our county sheriff office back in 2004.......

[God]

^Thats because boston is deadlier now then kabul ever was tbh.

 

The American public is too well armed. We need militarized police. 

 

The American public is too well armed. When I say 'illegal weapons' is an oxymoron in some states, I mean it.

 

Foreigners, I know of a place less than 4 miles from my home where a guy can easily access an automatic heavy weapon, and fire it (unsupervised) on a range that is within the vicinity of no less than 2 schools. 

 

The second amendment is so outdated. I'm in the military. I've seen combat, and I know what tech and ass I haul into combat. 

 

We, the people of the United States, do not need that kind of firepower. The government is not going to come and tyrannize you. If anything, it's the tyranny of the people that is to be feared.

 

And I won't lie, I'm a hypocrite. I own an Springfield M1A (civilian variant of the M14 that fires the NATO 7.62 x 51 mm FMJ that is capable of ripping a person in half if you fire more than 3 rounds into them. Said difference between the military and civilian variant is that the fire selector switch has been removed), a Daniel-Defense AR-15 (a clone of the M4), a Walther P99, a Smith & Wesson M&P9, and a fully automatic Kalashnikov clone. 

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

I agree with this legalization only if those who are under the influence of drugs and alcohol and commit murder get sentenced to death by guillotine.

[God]

I don't know why people are posting pictures of SWAT and trying to say it's the normal, every day police. That's like trying to say the Navy SEALS are just your average infantry.

 

Because it is becoming the normal every day police now. I wish it could be this, but it's not. Not anymore.

[TurianRebel212]

Police in America fire well over 5000 rounds in training. 

 

 

In anything in life.... You always got to what you know. 

 

 

Police know how to shoot in America. 

 

Thus they shoot people. 

 

 

We need a fundamental change in policing in America or they are going to continue to shoot unarmed people. 

 

-There needs to be an IQ minimum of 110 for police

-There needs to be a 4 year college degree minimum for police

-They needs to adopt the US Airforce physical training requirements for all officers. Male or female. (If that scrub who shot that black kid in Ferguson wasn't a short, weak manlet it wouldn't have ever resulted in a killing. Men like that DO NOT need to be cops. You should be physically imposing and in great shape and STRONG to be a cop)

-body cams are mandatory. At ALL Times. 

-Raise the pay for cops. To attract the best. You must pay the best.

 

If you had a more educated, more well trained, more stronger and physically capable police officer in America and have body cams. I can guarantee you that 90 percent of officer involved shootings would be a clean shoot and I highly doubt you have so many murders by cop and cops shooting unarmed people. 

[TurianRebel212]

Colorado, the state of mountains and bad drivers.

 

Colorado is the greatest state in the Union. Period. Full stop. 

 

 

#ColoradoMasterRaceFTW

[o Ventus]

Because it is becoming the normal every day police now. I wish it could be this, but it's not. Not anymore.

 

No, it's really not. Average Joe the Cop wouldn't have access to heavy weapons and armor like a SWAT unit. It appears as though regular cops are getting better equipment, because regular cops are being called in less and less for smaller crimes. If someone has a dime bag of weed in their house and the local PD catches wind of it, they can just send in their SWAT team and deal with it that way instead of sending an officer in a car. It doesn't help that, ever since SWAT was introduced in the 60's, it's been growing immensely, much faster than regular neighborhood cops. There are about as many SWAT units as there are regular police. People see the word "police" on SWAT uniforms and think they're your normal cops, and they aren't. If you see an MRAP near your house, it's either SWAT or the FBI.

 

I'm honestly surprised people haven't tried to play the "cops are all racist pigs who kill people for fun" card yet.