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[AshenSugar]

 

 

Well they don't die, but on rare occasion sometimes a serious upgrade in hardware actually can make them unplayable.  I've got this really old drag racing game for the PC

 

Have you ever considered Dosbox? Is should run that old game without any issues.

 

http://www.dosbox.com/

 

 

The only games I ever had real trouble getting to run in Widows 7 64 bit were the original Command & Conquer, and C&C Red Alert games, it wasn't even possible to install them, and so I ended up using a VMWare virtual desktop with Windows XP. Since then, user-made installers and Win7-patched versions have been released, so now even those run just fine on my PC.

 

All other old games I have either run Ok as they are, or there's a source port of some kind available.

[line_genrou]

But I hardly use A and D. You need only W and maybe S, aka you keep W down and mouse uses camera and takes care of direction, just like in every other game I have played in 10 years. I don't get this.

 

I played this game on release and the controls were A MESS. I never played a game with such a mess of a controls. How could they have decided to release the game in such a state...

Also the absurd stuttering/CTD on the main screen and options

Obviously it was put out before it was ready

 

The game is a least playable now, but when it came out, jesus christ.

[Fredvdp]

PC = Awesome Graphics, Horrible Controls

Console = Awesome Controls, Horrible Graphics

 

Take your pick.

You can use a controller on a PC if you prefer, which makes the gameplay identical to consoles. I played this game with an Xbox 360 controller when I was confined to the living room once. Still prefer mouse and keyboard, though. I don't like how the targeting works on a controller.

[wicked cool]

Couldnt u get a really really good pc and connect to a tv for less than 1000. Seems like the video card is the big expense at 350-400? 2000 seems really high?

[MelissaGT]

Couldnt u get a really really good pc and connect to a tv for less than 1000. Seems like the video card is the big expense at 350-400? 2000 seems really high?

I wouldn't say "really really good." Decent, yes. Run DA:I with everything on max for less than $1,000? I don't really think so. Pricing really depends on the GPU and if you want AMD/ATI vs Intel/NVIDIA. The 780ti was $750 when I bought it. Most of the "flagship" cards run that or higher when they come out. 

 

I recently helped someone pick out parts for a new system built around the 980 and she said all in all it ended up being about $2,000, which is what my system cost a year ago built around the 780ti. 

[Fredvdp]

Couldnt u get a really really good pc and connect to a tv for less than 1000. Seems like the video card is the big expense at 350-400? 2000 seems really high?

This system is less than $500 and outperforms consoles: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/8BdzRB

 

You should get a very solid performance in DA:I.

[Digger1967]

Have you ever considered Dosbox? Is should run that old game without any issues.

 

http://www.dosbox.com/

 

 

The only games I ever had real trouble getting to run in Widows 7 64 bit were the original Command & Conquer, and C&C Red Alert games, it wasn't even possible to install them, and so I ended up using a VMWare virtual desktop with Windows XP. Since then, user-made installers and Win7-patched versions have been released, so now even those run just fine on my PC.

 

All other old games I have either run Ok as they are, or there's a source port of some kind available.

 

I've run virtual machines in the past for a variety of reasons, and while the game itself was fun just really isn't worth jumping through a lot of hoops to play.  Just kind of funny seeing how it reacted to a modern processor, at least the daughter and her boyfriend got a lot of chuckles out of it.

[Digger1967]

Couldnt u get a really really good pc and connect to a tv for less than 1000. Seems like the video card is the big expense at 350-400? 2000 seems really high?

 

Depends really, see the thing is you've got a whole "elite" bunch out there who always wants the top of the line everything and is constantly upgrading to get 2 extra frames per second, etc.  Lol.. right, I don't really get it either, but believe it or not there are folks out there that do it.  If you don't mind used you can get some pretty good deals on some pretty decent video cards of of Ebay, etc.  I paid a little more for the 660 than I normally would but it had been a couple of years since I'd upgraded the video and since I was upgrading to 32 gig in the workstation I figured why not, so I gave myself a bit of a treat at the time and just bought it instead of looking around and shopping for deals, etc.

 

But yup, all in all even the lower end video cards for PC's will generally outperform most console systems.  Their graphic aren't horrible, mind you, but since a lot of them I guess are built in to the processor they are a bit more limited in certain areas.

[wicked cool]

Isnt the 970 a very good card for less than 400. Cant dai run that on ultra. I was looking at new build around 800-900

[wicked cool]

The 780ti is listed for 400 as well . Im new to this but is the reason why you spent do much for overclocking triple mounter setups? For dai is overclockibg even needed edoecially dince therd are no enb mods

[MelissaGT]

Isnt the 970 a very good card for less than 400. Cant dai run that on ultra. I was looking at new build around 800-900

 

The big difference between the 970 vs 780ti is that the 970 has 4GB VRAM to the 780ti's 3GB. The 780ti is also over a year old and was over $750 when it was new. I would do some review comparisons between the two. I have read that the 780ti is still a very viable card and is only a smidge slower than the newer 980. 

 

With the 780ti I am able to run DA:I on max settings, including SweetFX and additional AA via RadeonPro and NVIDIA Control Panel. With everything cranked and beauteous I average a constant 40 - 60fps. I can also run over 90 mods in Skyrim with RCRN and ENB with nary an issue. 

[Upright8infinitY]

You can easily get a PC that will play smoothly on ultra for under $1k. The GTX 970 is around $320 and includes The Witcher 3. An i5 4690k for around $220. You can save a little more without the k if you don't plan to overclock. A good board for around $100. 16gb of ram around $120 (only 12 is really needed atm), a good ssd for under $100 (not required, but nice to have), a seagate 4 or 5tb external drive for around $120 (with 120-180 mbps transfer rate it will play DAI really smooth). That system would do 1440p no problem.

 

You probably don't even need all that since you can usually still use some things from your last system. It would be more than $1k if you needed a power supply(80+ 650w or less would do fine for this system), case and monitor etc.

A good thing to remember is to upgrade while your old stuff is still worth a good amount so you can sell it. Preferably piece by piece rather than as a whole. Plus, if you learn how to overclock you'll get even more out of it.

One of the most important areas where you will save money over consoles is on the games themselves- loads of sales going on all the time.

[disi123]

Just saying, I have the AMD 290X and play this on mantle not directx. Not a single crash and beautiful graphics.

[Darkly Tranquil]

The big difference between the 970 vs 780ti is that the 970 has 4GB VRAM to the 780ti's 3GB. The 780ti is also over a year old and was over $750 when it was new. I would do some review comparisons between the two. I have read that the 780ti is still a very viable card and is only a smidge slower than the newer 980.

With the 780ti I am able to run DA:I on max settings, including SweetFX and additional AA via RadeonPro and NVIDIA Control Panel. With everything cranked and beauteous I average a constant 40 - 60fps. I can also run over 90 mods in Skyrim with RCRN and ENB with nary an issue.

Except that owing to the dodgy memory architecture on the 970 it chokes horribly above 3.5 gb of utilised VRAM. While that doesn't matter much for most current games (barely any need more than about 3gb), it's going to become an issue in the near future (within the next 12 months) as more graphically intensive games built specifically for the new gen consoles come through that are optimised for the shared memory architecture of those devices (they have 8gb effective/shared RAM/VRAM, so they can load a lot of hi res textures at once).

The 780ti is still a fantastic card, except for the huge power draw, but the 980 is far more efficient in terms of power and heat output; 980 is the better choice if you are planning to run SLI. The 780ti is out of production now anyway; they stopped making it when the 900 series came out, but there might be still some floating around at a bargain price, in which case it would be an excellent buy.

[MelissaGT]

You can easily get a PC that will play smoothly on ultra for under $1k. The GTX 970 is around $320 and includes The Witcher 3. An i5 4690k for around $220. You can save a little more without the k if you don't plan to overclock. A good board for around $100. 16gb of ram around $120 (only 12 is really needed atm), a good ssd for under $100 (not required, but nice to have), a seagate 4 or 5tb external drive for around $120 (with 120-180 mbps transfer rate it will play DAI really smooth). That system would do 1440p no problem.

 

 

That system seems nice and all, but how viable will that 970 be before it needs to be upgraded again? Lately PC games have been becoming more and more demanding by leaps and bounds. I personally wouldn't buy one. If I needed to buy a card today, I would buy a 980. Luckily I don't, so I will wait for the direct descendant of the 780ti.

 

I have a hard time running maxxed out DA:I at 1440p with my setup:

 

i7 4820k @ 3.7 w/ Corsair H60 cooler

GTX 780ti Superclocked w/ ACX cooler

Gigabyte X79-UP4 mobo

16GB ADATA RAM

EVGA SuperNova 750B PSU

 

With every in-game setting cranked (including fade-touched textures) my system would sit at around 27 - 30fps in open-world, with about 20fps in cutscenes, which is not acceptable to me. Folks say you don't need to use the in-game MSAA when using higher than 1080p resoultions, but I sure noticed a difference. I hate jaggies, and I will gladly play a smooth 1080p game over a jaggy 1440p one. 

 

 

Just saying, I have the AMD 290X and play this on mantle not directx. Not a single crash and beautiful graphics.

I'm using a 780ti on directx and not a single crash and beautiful graphics. Just saying. 

[Darkly Tranquil]

That system seems nice and all, but how viable will that 970 be before it needs to be upgraded again? Lately PC games have been becoming more and more demanding by leaps and bounds. I personally wouldn't buy one. If I needed to buy a card today, I would buy a 980. Luckily I don't, so I will wait for the direct descendant of the 780ti.

If you were looking at buying a high end card now, you'd be better off waiting for the AMD R9 300X cards that are coming very soon. By all accounts, they will crush anything currently on the market.

[MelissaGT]

If you were looking at buying a high end card now, you'd be better off waiting for the AMD R9 300X cards that are coming very soon. By all accounts, they will crush anything currently on the market.

 

I won't be looking for a new card for at least a year. Currently any game I want to play runs just super with what I have. 

 

But that's just the thing - to wait or not to wait? AMD and NVIDIA will always counter each other. NVIDIA comes out with the card, then AMD does a few months later. Then NVIDIA, then AMD. It's a never-ending cycle. Just hold your breath and dive in when the time comes. If you can wait, wait - then you'll have more options to choose from when you need to buy a card. 

 

Even so, I don't think I'd buy another AMD card. I used to use AMD but have switched to NVIDIA and am very happy. My NVIDIA card seems to run way cooler (and quieter) than any AMD card I've ever owned. 

[Sylvius the Mad]

Even so, I don't think I'd buy another AMD card. I used to use AMD but have switched to NVIDIA and am very happy. My NVIDIA card seems to run way cooler (and quieter) than any AMD card I've ever owned.

Which is why, for their most recent top-end card, AMD went with liquid cooling (which does keep it really quiet).

[Darkly Tranquil]

Which is why, for their most recent top-end card, AMD went with liquid cooling (which does keep it really quiet).

They had to or it would have burned people's houses down.

[Sylvius the Mad]

They had to or it would have burned people's houses down.

Granted. It's basically a 500 watt heater with a video card attached to it.

[disi123]

They had to or it would have burned people's houses down.

Yeah, mine is liquid cooled as well.

The last computer I had air cooled was with an HD7700, never look back.

[wicked cool]

Question for pc users. As a pc user can you play coop games such as diablo with 2 controllers and one monitor? Same goes for sports games? If not why is that.

[Maker Be Damned]

Question for pc users. As a pc user can you play coop games such as diablo with 2 controllers and one monitor? Same goes for sports games? If not why is that.

Of course you can. I personally like consoles. The PCs today are expensive loaded with junk and hard for me to configure. Takes way too much time and effort but it does suck not having mods. I have a 360 and a PS3 and a digital libary of 100 or so games. These games I will be able to play for years to come. Won't have to configure or buy anything unless my system dies and even then they are pretty cheap these days. Someone said PC games last forever but console games you won't be able to play after a while. Thats so not true. Besides the fact that most my old PC games won't run on new PCs. I do have an old PC running emulators for NES/SNES/SEGA but I could still pull out my old dusty Nintendo and play some mario if I wanted to and 20 years from now nothing would stop me from pulling out my xbox 360 and playing oblivion or skyrim.

[MelissaGT]

Of course you can. I personally like consoles. The PCs today are expensive loaded with junk and hard for me to configure. Takes way too much time and effort but it does suck not having mods. I have a 360 and a PS3 and a digital libary of 100 or so games. These games I will be able to play for years to come. Won't have to configure or buy anything unless my system dies and even then they are pretty cheap these days. Someone said PC games last forever but console games you won't be able to play after a while. Thats so not true. Besides the fact that most my old PC games won't run on new PCs. I do have an old PC running emulators for NES/SNES/SEGA but I could still pull out my old dusty Nintendo and play some mario if I wanted to and 20 years from now nothing would stop me from pulling out my xbox 360 and playing oblivion or skyrim.

 

Boy I'd hate to see what Mario looks like on a HDTV. I was feeling nostalgic and tried to play FFIX (PSOne on PS3) on my 51". Yeah, you can barely make out what's going on on the screen. However, I'm able to play FFVII and FFVIII on my PC, remastered...and they play just fine on my HDTV. 

 

And PC's today are loaded with junk...if you buy from a box. Have one built (or build it yourself). You'll save money and it won't have any junk in it. They aren't hard to configure either - if you're willing to do a little reading or asking questions. Put it this way, if you can configure a home theater system to play your console on then you can easily game on a PC. You don't need to be an IT expert to enjoy PC gaming. I'm sure not - I taught myself everything as I went and I'm still learning new stuff all the time. 

[TheElderGamer]

Never had a mouse or keyboard issue with DA:I.