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[Fiery Phoenix]

David Gaider's tumblr blog is now locked? anyone has the pw?

He's no longer using it. Not that it really means anything anymore, considering he's moved on to a new project.

[KaiserShep]

My main qualms with that is, that their death is pretty meaningless.

 

Not that it wasn't an important sacrifice, but you never hear anything about the outcome. I understand that it's not as simple as going "...and we're broadcasting live from the fade, Nightmare realm, where a Lothering farmer's boy/gal challenged...", but at least something that tells us they ultimately won or died (or both). For that reason I'm glad there's Stroud, because the event is as superficially developed as he himself (which is not a bad thing, there's enough major characters in the franchise as is) - and the main characters of two games -Hawke & Alistair- don't just go out with no questions asked. For all intents an purposes, Stroud is the perfect redshirt -  he has no obvious flaws, and is presented just thoroughly enough to make you feel sad about his passing (especially because in my case he saved Bethany's life).

 

Serving only to create drama midway through a plot is red shirt duty, and kind of an ungraceful way to go for guys as involved as they were.

Stroud's death was less effective for me, because the most he did up until that point was give Hawke a Warden ring in Kirkwall, because I guess she can throw it at the Arishok or something.

[Masque]

I agree about the vagueness of the Fade scene. It makes me wonder if whoever was left behind even died. Could we bump into (possibly Nightmare possessed) Alistair/Stroud/Loghain/Hawke again at some point?

 

I also wonder if it even matters who was chosen to stay.

 

Spoiler

The epilogue doesn't bode well for the Wardens regardless of the choices made, so did we spare a person just to have them wander off to Weisshaupt and their inevitable doom anyway? 

[Suledin]

Developers? The writers rather. 

[KaiserShep]

I agree about the vagueness of the Fade scene. It makes me wonder if whoever was left behind even died. Could we bump into (possibly Nightmare possessed) Alistair/Stroud/Loghain/Hawke again at some point?

 

I also wonder if it even matters who was chosen to stay.

 

Spoiler

The epilogue doesn't bode well for the Wardens regardless of the choices made, so did we spare a person just to have them wander off to Weisshaupt and their inevitable doom anyway? 

 

Yeah this is why I'm really craving some resolution here. You can't just drop an ominous Warden civil war and let it disappear. I really doubt that the character just gets an off-screen death though. That would be extremely cheap.

[Sah291]

It's kind of unfortunate, more so because I'm very curious on a comment made by one of the writers (Gaider I think?) that indicated that the Exalted Marches was actually going to be really rough with the character death.

Hawke either supported or was blamed for starting a rebellion/war, and with the title of the expansion being called Exalted March, I would have expected Hawke and/or most of the companions to be executed or killed by the end... And that probably would have made a very dramatic/interesting ending. It makes a whole lot of sense it would be dark. But given the reception to DA2, and also spillover reception to the ME3 ending, they changed course. Plus people wanted playable races again.

I don't think that means the devs hate Hawke though. To the contrary, I get the sense they were disappointed the expansion was cancelled and that they couldn't continue Hawke's story, and that the fan reception was negative.

I personally liked Hawke a lot as a character. My complaints about DA2 had more to do with the reused environments/etc, and less to do with the characters/story, which I actually thought was pretty good. Oh well. Hawke is alive in my world state, but I may change that depending if they decide to do any more with him/her (which at this point I think is unlikely, but we'll see).

[Panda]

I would've liked to see a better "death" animation though. The current one makes it look like the character left behind in the Fade isn't actually dead but simply fainted.

 

True, though now there is theories around that Hawke didn't really die, but is trapped in fade and will maybe comeback later on series. I doubt that is intention of Bioware ^^ So Hawke not dying visibly opens up change for different theories, in good and bad.

[Excella Gionne]

What if you had to choose between your Warden or Hawke?

[Nehn]

What if you had to choose between your Warden or Hawke?

Warden 

I'm more attached to my Warden than I am with Hawke 

It would still be a heartbreaking decision 

[myahele]

I dont think they hate Hawk. Just that many fans didnt like DA2 and by extension Hawke. So they wanted to distance themselves away from Hawke as much as possible.

 

I have to admit that I was disappointed that a former main protagonist is relegated into what they did to Hawke. By offering us to leave him in the fade that pretty much allows them to end Hawke's story since s/he has a 50% of death.

 

Even then, if left alive s/he disappears...again

[KaiserShep]

What if you had to choose between your Warden or Hawke?

 

I'm afraid the Hero of Ferelden would end up being the Hero of Orlais. I imagine Leliana would pretty much go full-Sith at this point.

[The Loyal Nub]

What if you had to choose between your Warden or Hawke?

 

It was nice knowing you Hawke.

[Masque]

Hawke is arguably the best thing to come out of DA2. If there is any sort of ambiguity toward Hawke by the devs/writers I think it would stem more from disappointment in the game's reception rather than straight up disliking the protagonist. Hawke wasn't the reason why the game was received so poorly - although there was some grief over being forced to play human - the biggest problem with DA2, imho, was the environment; traipsing around Kirkwall for ten years was a big letdown after exploring all the areas in DAO.

 

I wasn't aware there had been an expansion planned, and subsequently scrapped, for DA2 until it was explained in this thread. Ironically enough, Hawke just rolled in on my current DAI play-through and it hit me right in the feels when my Inquis asked where he'd been and he explained he had ducked out for the Exalted March he was convinced was coming but that it never happened.

 

Sorry your adventure was cut so short, Hawke. Here, have a Nightmare demon as consolation.  

[GoldenGail3]

Ha! I'd rather my Amell and Queen Cousland live. Hawke can die in a hole, because my two warden's are Alistair's romancers, one hardened and one unhardened.

[Siha]

I actually don't have much of a doubt. "Hawke will likely die to cover your escape". Can you word it more obviously that the opera isn't over till the fat lady sings?

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

What if you had to choose between your Warden or Hawke?

That would be very cruel of the developers.

 

Well, I already made my decision when it comes to Hawke or Loghain, but to answer your question I had a lot of fun playing sarcastic/humorous Hawke, but I never feel truly attached to her, and to me she was nothing more than special npc I manipulate. Bye, Hawke. It was fun while it last. 

[Augustei]

What if you had to choose between your Warden or Hawke?

That'd be as easy as choosing between Hawke and Loghain, or Hawke and anybody not from DA2. Seeya Hawke!! I kinda wanted to kill you off anyway...... =P

[AWTEW]

I wonder if it was unpleasant messages that drove him away from it. I can't imagine that he didn't get a good number of them, since anons love to talk sh*t.

 

It probably was that, and something else.

 

That was the Exalted March expansion for Dragon Age II, which contained some story elements that were later used in Inquisition; the negative reception to Dragon Age II led to the expansion being cancelled.

 

And let's not forget that the suspically announced the cancellation,  just before/after the 'extended cut' was announced. Afterall, the resources for Extended cut, had to come from somewhere.(especially since it was free). So I give a lot of the blame to the entitled snowflakes who could not accept the initial ending of ME3, and then went and made the whole reclaim movement, sent cupcakes ect.

 

What if you had to choose between your Warden or Hawke?

 

I wouldn't because my warden made the U.S. But if I did have to choose, it would still be the warden..because Thedas needs Hawke's sarcasm.

[KainD]

I hate Hawke as well. Good riddance.

[SmilesJA]

The developers hates Hawke? News to me.

[Malthier]

i mean he/she is the default choice in DAI when u were trapped in the fade (make sense since the other grey warden can be either Stroud or Alistair). so it means that in DA canon, they decided to kill him/her? i mean DA2 is the worst game of the series but they don't have to 'offically' kill Hawke.

 

kind of sad.

 

 

http://forum.bioware.../#entry18961790

[DarkKnightHolmes]

I doubt it. Before DA2 release, they tried to play up Hawke so much as being super important and acted like he was DA's Shepard.

[Shechinah]

(to DarkKnightHolmes) Not to mention an expansion was apparently planned which would expand upon Hawke's story so I would say it does not seem like the developers dislike Hawke.

[Steelcan]

And let's not forget that the suspically announced the cancellation,  just before/after the 'extended cut' was announced. Afterall, the resources for Extended cut, had to come from somewhere.(especially since it was free). So I give a lot of the blame to the entitled snowflakes who could not accept the initial ending of ME3, and then went and made the whole reclaim movement, sent cupcakes ect.

the ME team and the DA team are two separate entities, I doubt the Extended Cut is responsible for the cancelled expansion to DA2