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My Toughest Choices - Orlesian Leadership, the Well of Sorrows, and Divine Victoria


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CosmicGnosis

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1. Who should rule Orlais?

2. Who should drink from the Well of Sorrows?

3. Who should become Divine Victoria?

 

These questions haunt me as I try to establish my personal canon. Seriously, I don't know what the hell to choose. And I love that. I like the ambiguity. 

 

So, almighty BSN, what are your preferred answers to these questions?


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Celene

Morrigan

Vivienne


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Well, for my canon:

 

Celene/Briala

Morrigan

Cassandra


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Celene

Morrigan

Vivienne

This. Though in my personal canon, it's actually my Inquisitor who drinks. It's just massively out of character for her otherwise.


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For my canon:

 

Celene/Briala

Morrigan

softened/inspired Leliana (she opens up the chantry and Dorothea/Justinia saved her and accepted her as she was, and it's like coming full circle, IMO)


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Gaspard.

Inquisitor.

Cassandra. 


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Celene/Briala, I wanted a known quantity and I knew Celene had done well for 30 years, while Briala with her gives a peaceful improvement for the elves

Inquisitor, because it's more interesting to me that way for some reason

Cassandra, because she's the only one I trust to do good unfailingly. Leliana is too easily swayed and Vivienne is too ambitious, while Cassandra is solid. 


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Not done in a single playthrough but what my choices would be:

 

1. Celene with Briala to keep her down to earth more.

2. Morrigan because she can get more out of it, though I'm uneasy as to what it means for the future and what she will do with it. It also saves the inquisitor in case being a servant of Mythal becomes a bad thing later.

3. Cassandra, as she appears to be the most middle ground choice (not too traditional and keeping past mistakes, not too revolutionary as to be too idealistic to last)


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For my canon:

 

Celene/Briala

Morrigan

softened/inspired Leliana

 

Same here.



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Depends on my character, really. But for my (Lavellan) canon:

 

1. Celene and Briala.

2. Inquisitor, given her origins.

3. (Softened) Leliana.


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1. Gaspard is the Emperor Orlais needs and deserves.  He sent us the invitation to the Winter Palace.  He detests playing games and keeps everyone in line.  Celene was too untrustworthy, so I allowed her to be assassinated.  I felt some remorse when Briala's execution was ordered, though her death insures future stability.

 

2. I had Morrigan drink from the Well because enthrallment to a wretched Elvhen god is a big no-no.

 

3. Vivienne is undoubtedly the best-qualified candidate for the Sunburst Throne due to her assertive nature and skill in dealing politics.  Cassandra can't keep her composure when the stakes are high.  Leliana is a fairly skilled player in the political game, though the world is not ready for the policies she wishes to enact.  Plus, her zealotry could get the better of her.



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Is Cassandra-as-Divine viable in a playthrough that includes major decisions that greatly favor Leliana? 



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Is Cassandra-as-Divine viable in a playthrough that includes major decisions that greatly favor Leliana? 

 

My first playthrough was allied with the mages/Celene/Wardens not banished, and I managed to get Cassandra. So...yes, if you're careful. There are also some stray bits of dialogue here and there that give candidates points, so it also kind of depends on who your Inquisitor is. 



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Is Cassandra-as-Divine viable in a playthrough that includes major decisions that greatly favor Leliana? 

Depends. The wiki's got the Divine election worked out so you can use it as a guide.

http://dragonage.wik...Divine_election



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So, almighty BSN, what are your preferred answers to these questions?

 

Court: Celene/Briala ... I think elves should have more influence, and I prefer Celene's platform to Gaspard's.

Well: Inquisitor... I had many reasons for doing this from an RP standpoint. In terms of personal preference, the leader of the Inquisition being bound to whomsoever elven god is much more terrifying (and thus interesting) than it being some mage shapeshifter. It helps that I am also pretty apathetic to the Inquisitor.

Divine: Vivienne. First Enchanter of a very prestigious Circle of Magi and respected adviser to the empress. Her experience makes her perfect for the job.



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My first playthrough was allied with the mages/Celene/Wardens not banished, and I managed to get Cassandra. So...yes, if you're careful. There are also some stray bits of dialogue here and there that give candidates points, so it also kind of depends on who your Inquisitor is. 

 

 

Depends. The wiki's got the Divine election worked out so you can use it as a guide.

http://dragonage.wik...Divine_election

The thing is, my Inquisitor will favor both of them. It would be out-of-character not to favor both of them. Thus, I will choose dialogue options that support both. Cassandra may not be able to overtake Leliana. And I'm not even sure that I want her to...



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Gaspard.

Inquisitor.

Cassandra. 

Same here as well.

 

Gaspard.

Inquisitor.

Cassandra.


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All three. XD lol
Morrigan
Mother Giselle...Oh wait...Well, go with soft Leliana, she has the nug banner <3.



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1. Who should rule Orlais?

2. Who should drink from the Well of Sorrows?

3. Who should become Divine Victoria?

 

These questions haunt me as I try to establish my personal canon. Seriously, I don't know what the hell to choose. And I love that. I like the ambiguity. 

 

I don't know what kind of person you are or what kind of world you want to build.

 

1. What direction do you want the Orlesian Empire to go? Forget who you like personally, as they're all flawed, corrupt, and it hasn't seemed to work so far. So, what do you want for the Empire? Do you want it to be a more militaristic powerhouse a la Gaspard, continue its course of court intrigue but with support to the arts a la Celene, or give more rights to the city elves a la Briala? Personally, I want to see the elves in Orlais and Orlais-influenced countries gain a future for the first time in centuries, so to me the answer's obvious. Anything that'll get Briala in power.

 

2. Depends on how invested you are in gaining the secrets of ancient elven knowledge, how much your character trusts Morrigan with that knowledge, and/or how curious you are to see what the consequences will be like in future games. Personally, I play a Dalish who's very invested in recovering the People's lost history and lore, so she drank it. Other people have justified that they didn't trust Morrigan to be truthful about what she sees in the Well, et cetera.

 

3. Again, it depends on what kind of world you want to build, and/or which candidate you think would have the least backlash. Vivienne is easily the most conservative. She pretty much restores the status quo (Circles, Templars, etc), with the only real difference being that she's slightly more lenient on mages and slightly more restrictive of Templars. Cassandra is the middle option. While she restores the Circles and Templar Order (and likely Seekers), she reforms each one, roots out corruption, and imposes strict behavior monitoring systems to ensure the previous abuses that led to the war won't happen again. (At least not for now.) Leliana is easily the most radical "lefty liberal." She pretty much dissolves the Circles, reforms the Chantry to allow mages, elves, and men to join (whereas before the Chantry was pretty much limited to non-magic human women and the odd non-magic human lay brother), champions rights for mages and elves, etc. 

 

While many people would support Leliana in theory, there are those who feel she pushes for too many changes too quickly to create a stable reign with lasting changes, or she herself is too dark and/or unstable to trust (since she spends most of the game teetering on the edge of moral bankruptcy), and so would prefer the more conservative and principled Cassandra (whom many feel makes enough changes to be effective but not enough to cause more revolts, and holds fast to her moral convictions).

 

However, the Divine is largely chosen based on decisions you've made and opinions you've expressed about the Chantry earlier in the game. For example, consistently siding with minorities like Mages and Elves, showing criticism of the Chantry, etc. often leads to Leliana becoming Divine, sometimes even if you verbally support another candidate near the end. So, from what I hear, a lot of that is a little out of your hands.

 

 

Again, I'd start with asking yourself what kind of world do you want to build? Which factions do you want to support? It can make it much easier to choose who rules Orlais and who becomes Divine, based on whose vision you support. 

 

So, almighty BSN, what are your preferred answers to these questions?

 

I play a Dalish Keeper's First who consistently sides with Mages, Elves, and recovering ancient elven history and lore.

 

1. Briala because I want the elves in Orlais and Orlais-influenced countries (which is most of Southern Thedas and Antiva) to have a future.

 

2. Again, I play a Dalish Keeper's First who greatly values knowledge and recovering her people's lost history and lore, so she drank from the Well. "It's my heritage."

 

3. My character didn't make an official stance regarding who she supported for Divine, so the Chantry elected Leliana. I personally prefer Leliana "softened" though (by completing her peronal quest and have her realize she shouldn't let her ruthless assassin side consume her), because she directly addresses the critics and urges them to put their differences aside and work together for the greater good, rather than sitting quietly if her quest goes uncompleted, or assassinating them all if "hardened."


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Same here as well.

 

Gaspard.

Inquisitor.

Cassandra.

 

Strong Orlais, Elven lore not forgotten, Chantry united and in good hands. Sounds great to me.



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Gaspard, sole ruler of Orlais.

Inquisitor drank from the well.

Vivienne is my divine.


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Briala rules. If I had not read the book I would have helped Celene.
Morrigan drank from the well. Happy I dodged that bullet ^_^
A soft Leliana is divine because she is idealistic and wants to change things
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1) I forced all three of them to work together. Though the result may not be the best for Orlais, it is the best for the Inquisition. Plus, it provides an immensely satisfying conclusion to that quest line.

2) Inquisitor drank from the well. Didn't trust Morrigan. Plain and simple.

3) Cassandra becomes Divine. She has the best ending aside from softened Leliana (whose ending is kinda absurd IMO).

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Gaspard

Morrigan

Vivienne


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Celene/Briala
Morrigan
Leliana