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[Scuttlebutt101]

Gaspard

Morrigan

Vivienne

[Archdemon_Urthemiel]

I don't know what kind of person you are or what kind of world you want to build.

1. What direction do you want the Orlesian Empire to go? Forget who you like personally, as they're all flawed, corrupt, and it hasn't seemed to work so far. So, what do you want for the Empire? Do you want it to be a more militaristic powerhouse a la Gaspard, continue its course of court intrigue but with support to the arts a la Celene, or give more rights to the city elves a la Briala? Personally, I want to see the elves in Orlais and Orlais-influenced countries gain a future for the first time in centuries, so to me the answer's obvious. Anything that'll get Briala in power.

2. Depends on how invested you are in gaining the secrets of ancient elven knowledge, how much your character trusts Morrigan with that knowledge, and/or how curious you are to see what the consequences will be like in future games. Personally, I play a Dalish who's very invested in recovering the People's lost history and lore, so she drank it. Other people have justified that they didn't trust Morrigan to be truthful about what she sees in the Well, et cetera.

3. Again, it depends on what kind of world you want to build, and/or which candidate you think would have the least backlash. Vivienne is easily the most conservative. She pretty much restores the status quo (Circles, Templars, etc), with the only real difference being that she's slightly more lenient on mages and slightly more restrictive of Templars. Cassandra is the middle option. While she restores the Circles and Templar Order (and likely Seekers), she reforms each one, roots out corruption, and imposes strict behavior monitoring systems to ensure the previous abuses that led to the war won't happen again. (At least not for now.) Leliana is easily the most radical "lefty liberal." She pretty much dissolves the Circles, reforms the Chantry to allow mages, elves, and men to join (whereas before the Chantry was pretty much limited to non-magic human women and the odd non-magic human lay brother), champions rights for mages and elves, etc.

While many people would support Leliana in theory, there are those who feel she pushes for too many changes too quickly to create a stable reign with lasting changes, or she herself is too dark and/or unstable to trust (since she spends most of the game teetering on the edge of moral bankruptcy), and so would prefer the more conservative and principled Cassandra (whom many feel makes enough changes to be effective but not enough to cause more revolts, and holds fast to her moral convictions).

However, the Divine is largely chosen based on decisions you've made and opinions you've expressed about the Chantry earlier in the game. For example, consistently siding with minorities like Mages and Elves, showing criticism of the Chantry, etc. often leads to Leliana becoming Divine, sometimes even if you verbally support another candidate near the end. So, from what I hear, a lot of that is a little out of your hands.


Again, I'd start with asking yourself what kind of world do you want to build? Which factions do you want to support? It can make it much easier to choose who rules Orlais and who becomes Divine, based on whose vision you support.



I play a Dalish Keeper's First who consistently sides with Mages, Elves, and recovering ancient elven history and lore.

1. Briala because I want the elves in Orlais and Orlais-influenced countries (which is most of Southern Thedas and Antiva) to have a future.

2. Again, I play a Dalish Keeper's First who greatly values knowledge and recovering her people's lost history and lore, so she drank from the Well. "It's my heritage."

3. My character didn't make an official stance regarding who she supported for Divine, so the Chantry elected Leliana. I personally prefer Leliana "softened" though (by completing her peronal quest and have her realize she shouldn't let her ruthless assassin side consume her), because she directly addresses the critics and urges them to put their differences aside and work together for the greater good, rather than sitting quietly if her quest goes uncompleted, or assassinating them all if "hardened."

This is pretty good but also note that Gaspard is racist as hell if that factors in your opinion

[Jaison1986]

All three together. Otherwise Gaspard.

 

Inquisitor, though, if you don't care about Morrigan you might as well let her. I only drank to protect her from Flemeth's hold.

 

Leliana. It's time for things to change. Unhardened Leliana makes me cringe, but I still prefer it to hardened, who is an uncaring and ruthless killer. I didn't wanted to see Leliana go down that road.

[N7_Heartfire]

Celene/Briala

 

Morrigan

 

Softened Leliana

[SgtSteel91]

The way I played it (as a Human Warrior who specialized as a Champion and wanted to help the oppressed as well as very critical of the Chantry):

 

1. My Inquisitor felt honor-bound to not let anyone die if they could stop it, so Celene lives. At the same time, they felt the Elves needed more representation so they worked to get Celene and Briala to reconcile.

 

2. As a Human non-Mage, my Inquisitor felt it was wrong to take the Knowledge contained in the Well; it should belong to the Elves. And even if they did drink from it, they felt they wouldn't effectively be able to use whatever magical knowledge came from the Well. Since they needed the Well to stop Corypheus, and since Solas refused to drink from it, they let Morrigan drink.

 

3. My Inquisitor agreed with Leliana in that the Chantry has done a lot wrong to a lot of groups and that major changes were needed. And a lot of their choices (allying with the Free Mages, Allying with the Southern Grey Wardens, not recruiting Vivienne, helping Leliana out of her depression and restoring her faith) as well as openly supporting Leliana got her elected as Divine.

 

As for a choice that I agonized over:

Whether to sacrifice Bull's Chargers for an alliance with the Qunari or not.

A lot of Qunari say that this alliance is unprecedented and a lot of good gets done with the alliance. But I can tell Iron Bull is devastated by the loss and I don't know, but hope, that the alliance with the Qunari can last after Corypheus is defeated and perhaps be the first step into achieving real peace with them.

[Archdemon_Urthemiel]

All three together. Otherwise Gaspard.

Inquisitor, though, if you don't care about Morrigan you might as well let her. I only drank to protect her from Flemeth's hold.

Leliana. It's time for things to change. Unhardened Leliana makes me cringe, but I still prefer it to hardened, who is an uncaring and ruthless killer. I didn't wanted to see Leliana go down that road.

One thing I'll never get is supporting Gaspard who says he will kill anyone who opposes him but opposing hardened Leliana who practically does he same thing

[Bad King]

1. Briala through Gaspard.

2. The Inquisitor.

3. Hardened Leliana.

 

This combination (in my opinion) is the best means of pushing for reform in southern Thedas via an alliance between Briala, Leliana, and the Inquisition who keep the nobility in line.

[Addai]

Gaspard
Morrigan
irrelevant

[Liadan]

For my canon:

 

Celene/Briala

Morrigan

Leliana (Softened)

[Cankiie]

Orlais: Forced them all to work together and obey the inquisition.

 

Well: My inquisitor took it, because Morrigan is not trustworthy.

 

Divine: Vivienne, the chantry will end up much better with her as the divine.

 

I am a little bitter however because none of these choices are not going to matter anyway, so yeah.

[Jaison1986]

One thing I'll never get is supporting Gaspard who says he will kill anyone who opposes him but opposing hardened Leliana who practically does he same thing

 

Because I don't care about Gaspard. He is ruthless from day 01. Leliana is not like that, and I care about what happens to her. Don't mistake me, if hardening Leliana didn't caused a major personality change for her, all those priests at the Val Royeaux would have met an swift end.

[TheRatPack55]

Gaspard - I like wyvern hunting.

Morrigan - cause no way I'm enslaving myself to an old god or something.

Hard Leliana - she does what I would have done how I would have done it if I could become Divine, so I play vicariously through her.

[Br3admax]

Gaspard

Morrigan

Vivienne/Cassandra

 

Divine choice was the only hard one. 

[CosmicGnosis]

It seems like drinking from the Well yourself creates a better story. Morrigan has sweet irony, but the Inquisitor seems to have deeper conversations with Solas about the Well if he/she drinks from it. You learn more about Solas' "beliefs" about the elven gods and his hatred for slavery. There is even an extra boss fight if the Inquisitor drinks from the Well. Plus it makes thematic sense for the Inquisitor to gain more and more power, from the Anchor, the Inquisition's political power, and ultimately Mythal's power. 

[Akkos]

It seems like drinking from the Well yourself creates a better story. Morrigan has sweet irony, but the Inquisitor seems to have deeper conversations with Solas about the Well if he/she drinks from it. You learn more about Solas' "beliefs" about the elven gods and his hatred for slavery. There is even an extra boss fight if the Inquisitor drinks from the Well. Plus it makes thematic sense for the Inquisitor to gain more and more power, from the Anchor, the Inquisition's political power, and ultimately Mythal's power. 

 

Oh, really? How lovely.

 

I didn't learn anything new from Solas at all. And he is so disconnected/unrelated from the well of sorrows. Even after the post ending credits. The only thing I learnt is his acquitance to Mythal.

[Storvacker]

These decisions really depend on the specific character for me for RP reasons, although I find it hard to support Gaspard in any case because the Inquisitor is not Orlesian and thus supporting a militaristic Orlesian leader seems not to benefit the Inquisitor much. I personally like reuniting Celene and Briala.

 

One outcome I really like is Leliana as divine with the mages conscripted, it leads to the Bright Hand being formed alongside the Inquisition, but I've yet to roll a character where that outcome is RP viable.

 

 

In regards to the well, it's very dependent on the character for me but I do like having Morrigan drink when she has a son because I think it spurs some really positive character growth in her.

[Delphine]

1/ Celene+Briala

2/ Morrigan

3/ Softened Leliana

[Boost32]

1- Truce, because my Inquisitor was not orlesian, so he felt nothing about Celene or Gaspard, and as a noble didn't see why he would care for elves, so he was not going to support Briala. The best solution was to blackmail all of them, this way the Inquisition shall grow stronger.

2- Morrigan, because my Inquisitor is andrastian and he thought nothing good would came from a pool of heretical knowledge. If he could, he would have destroyed the Well.

3- Vivienne, because my Inquisitor agrees with her views that mages need a oversight to not f*** up (but they need to be treated better and if proved trustworth can have more freedom) and templars are necessary (but need to be kept in check to not abuse their power), my Inquisitor is a devoted andrastian do he didn't feel the need to change the Chantry, Vivienne is a trusted friend of his and she is the better politician and Game player from e the three candidates.

[Barquiel]

1. Celene/Briala - Stable Orlais, elves get more rights, Briala is being raised to noble status, alliance with the inquisition, lovers are reunited...everyone is happy! Except Gaspard. But he's a reactionary war mongerer who started a civil war for no good reason, so he deserved it.

2. Inquisitor - My dalish mage drank from the Well. I'd rather Morrigan be free and safe.

3. Softened Leliana - The Templar oppression did more harm than good, and Leliana is the only candidate who dissolves the Circles (I do think there needs to be some form of school that is mandatory for all young mages to attend. But, apart from that, they should be free...just like everyone else). I also like her racial equality thing, something Cassandra and Vivienne don't even address.

[Ieldra]

1. Who should rule Orlais?
2. Who should drink from the Well of Sorrows?
3. Who should become Divine Victoria?
 
These questions haunt me as I try to establish my personal canon. Seriously, I don't know what the hell to choose. And I love that. I like the ambiguity. 
 
So, almighty BSN, what are your preferred answers to these questions?

The answers of my main Inquisitor:

(1) Celene rules. She may be a weaker option than Gaspard, but that suits Maelyn fine. She doesn't want a resurgent superpower with militaristic ambitions at her border.

(2) Morrigan drinks from the Well. This was an extremely tough decision, as it goes straight to the core of Maelyn's value hierarchy, wherein the love for knowledge and an aversion against gods ruling the lives of people are prominent. She would've given an eye and a hand for that knowledge, but she would never sacrifice her will.

(3) Cassandra becomes Divine, but the Inquisition mages stay independent. Cassandra may be an inconveniently capable Divine, but Maelyn understands her. She is a known - and personally friendly - quantity, as opposed to the religious extremist (Leliana) and the power-hungry traditionalist (Vivienne). Also, having two competing mage organizations will make both of them want to prove themselves, which she finds desirable.

[Obb42]

Celene/Briala (if that lasts)

Morrigan

Cassandra

[SgtSteel91]

It seems like drinking from the Well yourself creates a better story. Morrigan has sweet irony, but the Inquisitor seems to have deeper conversations with Solas about the Well if he/she drinks from it. You learn more about Solas' "beliefs" about the elven gods and his hatred for slavery. There is even an extra boss fight if the Inquisitor drinks from the Well. Plus it makes thematic sense for the Inquisitor to gain more and more power, from the Anchor, the Inquisition's political power, and ultimately Mythal's power. 

 

If you want the "best" story, you might as well play as an Elf Mage Inquisitor who romances Solas. Maybe even recruit the Templars too to get a little more info on Corypheus.

[thesuperdarkone2]

1. Celene/Briala- Gaspard is a racist warmonger so I'm never putting him in charge and although elves do get more rights if Briala is in power, the moment she is gone, the Inquisition will have to face an enraged Gaspard and the elves will completely lose all rights they give. Celene may have done some bad things but at least she has cultivated peace and stability, plus she isn't a warmonger. She lives so that Orlais and continue to be peaceful and reconciled with Briala so that elves can get more rights

 

2. Morrigan drinks. My Inquisitor knew whoever drank would be put under mind-control so he sure as hell isn't going to drink anything. Morrigan knows these type of things better so she could use the information better and she's willing to risk the mind-control. 

 

3. Softened Leliana. Vivienne is a giant no. She plans on reinstating the status quo which is obviously broken and doomed to failure, plus she is an elitist snob who has as much faith as a piece of paper. She'd only care about herself and would be a terrible divine. Cassandra may have good intentions but she is woefully inadequate for the job. For starters, her reforms are too broad for me to consider her. How will she ensure that the Templars won't get corrupted again? Are templars still going to live in Circles or are they living away? Will the children of mages still be taken away? Unless I get answers to these questions, I can't choose her. Plus, she is horrible at diplomacy and thus would fail any diplomatic means of getting stuff done. Heck, if she becomes Divine, she is already miserable and she hasn't even become Divine yet. I can't imagine what would happen when she is actually Divine. Plus, she is my Inquisitor's LI so she cant' be Divine. 

 

Leliana on the other hand does everything I wanted. She frees mages, disbands the templars, and lets non-humans into the Chantry. She is the ideal Divine and her plotline pretty much makes her becoming Divine the perfect end.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I also like her racial equality thing, something Cassandra and Vivienne don't even address.

I'm guessing you missed all of Cassandra's conversations about what she thinks needs to change? The Chantry not being a place to go for everyone is one of her main gripes...

She wants to turn the Chantry around into a place of charity for everyone. Lifting a restriction that apparently didn't even exist judging by Brother Burkel hardly seems unlikely for her.

[Boost32]

I'm guessing you missed all of Cassandra's conversations about what she thinks needs to change? The Chantry not being a place to go for everyone is one of her main gripes...

I think the problem of her reforms is that it was never adressed what she is going to do, the epilogue says her reforms are going to far, but what are those reforms?
Another exemple is how she see the mage problem, she says they should govern themselves, the templars should act like guardians not jailers and the Chantry should help guide them, but none of this is mentioned on her epilogue, it made her appear like she is a status quo choice.