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[thesuperdarkone2]

I think the problem of her reforms is that it was never adressed what she is going to do, the epilogue says her reforms are going to far, but what are those reforms?
Another exemple is how she see the mage problem, she says they should govern themselves, the templars should act like guardians not jailers and the Chantry should help guide them, but none of this is mentioned on her epilogue, it made her appear like she is a status quo choice.

Funny how in retrospect she's pretty much more of the status quo choice than Vivienne, plus there is a difference between making Chantries more appealing places for andrastian non-humans to go and actually letting non-humans be members of the Chantry.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Also, having two competing mage organizations will make both of them want to prove themselves, which she finds desirable.

 

That is an interesting point.

[SgtSteel91]

That is an interesting point.

 

The problem I have with that outcome is that the epilogue makes it sound like it's less of a friendly competition and more like two steps away from open conflict.

[Boost32]

Funny how in retrospect she's pretty much more of the status quo choice than Vivienne, plus there is a difference between making Chantries more appealing places for andrastian non-humans to go and actually letting non-humans be members of the Chantry.

Its a problem of not saying what her reforms are. She, her epilogue and the keep says she balance change with traditions, but nonwhere is stated what changes she brings.
But for exemple, her Circles arent madatory, a exemple is how when the rebels mages refuses to go back to the Circles, she let them form their own college (unlike Vivienne, who crushes the rebellion).

[Adaar the Unbound]

My canon:

Celene/Briala

Inquisitor

Leliana

[DuskWanderer]

1.) Gaspard. Briala is simply incapable of ruling and Celene will betray you the second the Game demands it of her. 

 

2.) Morrigan. Being bound to Mythal is not something a leader should want. 

 

3.) Leliana or Cassandra (Leliana if you sided with the mages or romanced Cass, and Cassandra if you sided with templars)

[Exile Isan]

Celene/Briala for me. 

 

I was divided on the Well too, until I went through all the dialog options and my character pointed out that there was a geas on the Well. At that point I patted Morrigan on the back and was like "All yours, dear."

 

My canon character Eleanor Trevelyan is a mage, but believes the Circle could work with a few reforms so she supported Cassandra as Divine Victoria.

[aphelion4]

1. Celene/Briala I guess. I don't like any of the choices. They're all shady assholes
2. Inquisitor if a Lavellan, otherwise Morrigan because it's hilarious and I'd do anything to get back at her for her Mary Sue-ness status.
3. Torn tbh between Cas and Leli. Leliana might be too radical but anything is better than a power hungry, status quo Vivienne.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

1. Who should rule Orlais?

2. Who should drink from the Well of Sorrows?

3. Who should become Divine Victoria?

 

These questions haunt me as I try to establish my personal canon. Seriously, I don't know what the hell to choose. And I love that. I like the ambiguity. 

 

So, almighty BSN, what are your preferred answers to these questions?

1: Gaspard > Briala > Celene
2: No opinion. We won't know the real repercussions before the expansion.
3: Noone, the chantry should be destroyed. But the least worst option is a darkened Leliana.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

plus there is a difference between making Chantries more appealing places for andrastian non-humans to go and actually letting non-humans be members of the Chantry.

 

 

who dis

[Br3admax]

A mistake we at the Assembly have since corrected. 

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Probably removed from the Memories too. I guess that's why everyone, the Chantry included, seems to have forgotten about him. Poor guy. 

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Probably removed from the Memories too. I guess that's why everyone, the Chantry included, seems to have forgotten about him. Poor guy. 

Who had it coming...sodding heretic   , but sure I wholeheartedly support trade with the surface and tighten ties with the surface Dwarves, uplifting the Casteless and so forth but inviting the Orlesian Chantry into Orzammar is a big nope. It's funny if you help him open a chantry in Orzammar, and when he got killed later Justinia is even considering a new Exalted Marches against Orzammar. This is why the Orlesian Chantry cannot be trusted as they always take advantage of every situation that will benefit them. 

[mat_mark]

My Canon:

 

1. Celene helped by Gaspard and Briala

2. Morrigan

3. Leliana

[KaiserShep]

Who had it coming...sodding heretic   , but sure I wholeheartedly support trade with the surface and tighten ties with the surface Dwarves, uplifting the Casteless and so forth but inviting the Orlesian Chantry into Orzammar is a big nope. It's funny if you help him open a chantry in Orzammar, and when he got killed later Justinia is even considering a new Exalted Marches against Orzammar. This is why the Orlesian Chantry cannot be trusted as they always take advantage of every situation that will benefit them. 

I enjoyed talking to Burkel with Morrigan and Sten in the party. It makes for some amusing banter. Of course, I never really cared to help that guy, because anything remotely resembling Chantry influence in Orzammar just seemed wrong. I did eventually try it, and I was amused at the outcome.

[Archdemon_Urthemiel]

Who had it coming...sodding heretic , but sure I wholeheartedly support trade with the surface and tighten ties with the surface Dwarves, uplifting the Casteless and so forth but inviting the Orlesian Chantry into Orzammar is a big nope. It's funny if you help him open a chantry in Orzammar, and when he got killed later Justinia is even considering a new Exalted Marches against Orzammar. This is why the Orlesian Chantry cannot be trusted as they always take advantage of every situation that will benefit them.

Justinian didn't become divine until 9:34

[Jaison1986]

Who had it coming...sodding heretic   , but sure I wholeheartedly support trade with the surface and tighten ties with the surface Dwarves, uplifting the Casteless and so forth but inviting the Orlesian Chantry into Orzammar is a big nope. It's funny if you help him open a chantry in Orzammar, and when he got killed later Justinia is even considering a new Exalted Marches against Orzammar. This is why the Orlesian Chantry cannot be trusted as they always take advantage of every situation that will benefit them. 

 

I remember I helped him the first time I played the game. Now I just tell him to take a hike when I meet him. As if Orzammar doesn't already haves enough problems of their own without the Chantry getting added to the mix.

[Ser Thuggernaut]

Celene+Briala or all 3 together

Morrigan

Softened Leliana or Cassandra

[Qun00]

It's not just "Orlesian leadership".

It's all Thedas, as far as humans outside Tevinter are concerned.

[Han Shot First]

1. Celene, Gaspard, & Briala forced into a truce. As mentioned earlier in the thread it isn't the best outcome for Orlais, but it is the best outcome for the Inquisition. The uneasy truce means that Celene's rule is not entirely secure, and she needs the Inquisition to remain in power. The Inquisitor in effect becomes the power behind the Orlesian throne. 

 

2. Morrigan. Slave to Mythal? No thanks.

 

3. Cassandra. I think she is the safest choice for Divine. Vivienne is the most conservative candidate and probably doesn't make enough changes or reforms to entirely resolve the issues that led to the Mage-Templar rebellion. She risks history repeating itself. Leliana is the most liberal candidate, and wants to enact radical change. With Leliana the risk is that she wants to enact change faster than the people of Thedas are willing to accept it, which could result in chaos or more bloodshed. Cassandra on the other hand is the moderate, and while she enacts some reforms, it is at a more measured pace than with Leliana and much less likely to provoke violence or disorder. 

[Ash Wind]

1. Loghain

2. Schmooples.... honorable mention: Lord Woolsley

3. Oghren

 

Reading comprehension isn't my strongsuit! j/k

 

1. Gaspard/Briala

2. Inquisitor - Love Morrigan, can't see her being a slave to Flemeth, even if its only temporary (I dislike Solas so if the slavery is passed on to him... HoF would have to return from his mission to open a can of whop' ass on baldilocks).

3. Viviene. I know many despise her, but I found her so awesomely quaint.

[berelinde]

It changes for every Inquisitor, but for my human mage,

 

Celene (stability for Orlais)

Morrigan (No big debts to unknown, out-of-pantheon gods)

Leliana (Chantry needs an overhaul)

[CosmicGnosis]

Two points:

 

1. The question of Orlais' stability vs. the Inquisition's power is a fascinating one. I honestly don't know which I prefer: a stable Orlais or an Inquisition-controlled Orlais?

 

2. I'm conflicted about Burkel. On one hand, I don't want to spread the Chantry's influence everywhere. On the other hand, I like the idea of introducing competing world views to a culture that is usually rather isolationist. The Dwarves could learn a thing or two from human culture. Even though I know it ends badly, I consider it one of many attempts to get the dwarves more interested in the politics and culture of the surface world. But at the same time, I wouldn't want to introduce the Qun into Orzammar, so that's kind of a double-standard on my part. And yet, I do want more open dialogue with the qunari just so seeds of doubt could be planted in their minds, even if there is a risk that some people would convert to the Qun.

[Archdemon_Urthemiel]

Two points:

1. The question of Orlais' stability vs. the Inquisition's power is a fascinating one. I honestly don't know which I prefer: a stable Orlais or an Inquisition-controlled Orlais?

2. I'm conflicted about Burkel. On one hand, I don't want to spread the Chantry's influence everywhere. On the other hand, I like the idea of introducing competing world views to a culture that is usually rather isolationist. The Dwarves could learn a thing or two from human culture. Even though I know it ends badly, I consider it one of many attempts to get the dwarves more interested in the politics and culture of the surface world. But at the same time, I wouldn't want to introduce the Qun into Orzammar, so that's kind of a double-standard on my part. And yet, I do want more open dialogue with the qunari just so seeds of doubt could be planted in their minds, even if there is a risk that some people would convert to the Qun.

Considering the keep doesn't have a puppet state Orlais, I'd say that orlais being controlled by he Inquisition isn't really going to be all that important in the long run, so choose who you prefer. I prefer celene and briala because Gaspard deserves to die and elves deserve more rights

[Lady Artifice]

1. Forcing Celene, Briala, and Gaspard into a truce. It's not best for Orlais, but it's the only option I like. 

 

2. Morrigan drinks from the well.

 

3. I'm positively mutinous about this at this point.

 

...My first canon playthrough, I went with Cassandra, but since I'd allied with the Mages I was dissatisfied. I also believe Cassandra will grow to hate the political mire she'll be stuck inside of. I feel the same about Leliana. 

 

I'm answering Gisele, and nothing's gonna stop me.