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[Dorrieb]

So, I've just finished my second playthrough, and I'm having serious misgivings about this Inquisition business. I get that Corphy has to be stopped and the Inquisition are the only ones doing anything about it, so as far as that goes it is necessary, but it isn't stopping there. Cassandra and Leliana were already planning to create it even before any of this happened, and the plan was always to gather power and 'make things right', which implies deciding what is right, with an 'or else' thrown in there. Doesn't that sound like a spectacularly bad thing? It doesn't comfort me that they're both fanatics with a tendency to hit first and ask questions later in a soundproof room under a harsh light.

 

As Inquisitor I'm not sure how much control I have over the thing. I seem to have attracted a large cult who insist that I'm the Herald of Andraste no matter how many times I keep telling them there is no such thing. I also seem to end up involved in a lot that I don't approve of using methods I don't agree with, especially if I send out Leliana. Her solution to everything is 'do a murder'. Someone suspected of treason? Do a murder. Some people disagree with us? Do a murder. The kitchen needs more veggies? Do a murder.

 

I'm also uncertain about some of the people that we fight, like the Freemen of the Dales. I'm not sure why they attacked refugees instead of joining forces with them, but other than that I'd actually quite like their little revolution to succeed. When they shout 'No nobles! No crown! No Inquisition!'... yeah, that's something I could agree with. Instead I ended up fighting them on behalf of... an absolute monarch? Because we need her support, apparently, but I dunno. It doesn't sound very moral.

 

Or the grey wardens. I appreciate that they've gone crazy and it has to be done, but do my troops have to be so keen about it? For a moment there in that cutscene they seem just as fanatical as the batty wardens inside, if not more so.

 

And there's Samson. He actually makes some pretty good points when you sit in judgement on him. The Chantry did screw him and the other templars over, with the tacit complicity of everyone else. I actually think Cullen hates him so much because Samson is not all that different from what he could have been.

 

Anyway, my point is that just because we opposed the baddie doesn't necessarily make us the goodies. Could we actually be baddies?

 

It's like these two guys: https://youtu.be/hn1VxaMEjRU

[Br3admax]

You do know the Freemen were run by the Red Templars and Cory?

 

Anyway, if you're leading to stability without stomping people underneath your heel, and you aren't, you're fine. Nobody wants to see the inner workings, but that doesn't stop them from existing, no matter what you do, someone else loses out, etc. 

[Kulyok]

I fully agree. I really hope my Inquisitor would either be allowed to leave or stop the Inquisition once and for all, if she so chooses. 

 

"Dear Inquisition,

 

The Chantry is back in business, there are currently no world-threatening issues, please go away.

 

Sincerely,

NOT a Herald of Andraste."

[Obadiah]

Main problem with closing up Inquisition shop is that you can no longer provide protection to people who have made enemies to support you and the Inquisition; for example, the folks who said they would testify against the Orlesian nobles for you.

[TEWR]

This is one of my bones to pick with the game. There's not enough of people calling you out for how dangerous a precedent you're setting, no matter your intentions. The game is specifically structured in a way that makes the "naysayers" seem like simply douchebag obstructive bureaucrats that are getting in the way of your oh so pure mission.

 

This is not helped by the heaps of praise the Inquisitor receives, the worship and adoration they receive, or the fact that they get carte blanche run of things (this has been a running concept with Bioware games, but Inquisition took the cake). 

 

That is quite literally and realistically one of the worst things that could happen, from a power structure perspective. And it's why I'm critical of Inquisition and, moreover, Bioware. Because if Bioware had actually considered these things, they would've actually thrown in more comments at least where we're shown in a negative light for very valid reasons. 

 

That Bioware didn't realize this is why I say they have no sense of vision any more. And it's why I think they need some new blood.

 

It's bad for the Inquisition to have such high authority on things like the crown, or lands, or whatever. Just as it was for the Warden in Origins. That we had a goal makes it understandable, but still sets a bad precedent (which is probably why the FW is so happy with Amaranthine, even though I've been thinking that has the potential to backfire considerably before the next Blight).

 

We can kick the Avvar out of Fereldan lands. Chief Movran the Under and his clan can be driven out of the Fallow Mire, with us claiming those lands as being "ours". They are most assuredly not as the scouting mission to gain access said we should contact the local bann. The Fallow Mire is part of Ferelden and thus under its jurisdiction.

 

That's just one example. Literally every case of "They're badmouthing us" is treated as "They're just getting in the way" if not "They're allied with Corypheus!!".

 

I love my Cadash's story, but the fact I have to rewrite 85% of Inquisition to be content with it really bothers me.

[Dorrieb]

You do know the Freemen were run by the Red Templars and Cory?

 

Well, no. They were manipulated by them, but they had their own agenda and it wasn't a bad one. No nobles, no crown, no Inquisition! Up the revolution! So sad...

[DanteYoda]

I agree OP.

 

The inquisition Reminds me of the empire in star wars before it was corrupted by the Emperor, the Inquisitor is Anakin Skywalker before he went nuts and became Darth Vader, just give them time...

 

Honestly when you amass an army lead by religious fanatics of any kind you'll get corruption and murder on an epic scale, i really think either our heroes will be murdered or excommunicated at some point and Lelianna will rule as Darth Lelianna of the sith lords

 

C'mon she already has been tainted by the dark side just one look at her and you'll see that..

 

 

Yes!!! The time has come... Execute Order 66.

[esh1996]

The inquisition Reminds me of the empire in star wars before it was corrupted by the Emperor, the Inquisitor is Anakin Skywalker before he went nuts and became Darth Vader, just give them time...

Think about this! Wouldn't it be awesome if the villain of the next DA game would be our inquisitor mad with power! Kicking out all his/her advisors and allies (Cullen, Leliana, Josephine, Cassandra, Sera, Iron Bull ex...) even their LI. And then begins invading and controlling all of Thedas. And we lead a small rebellious group (maybe including ex-members of the inquisition) to over throw and destroy the inquisition. And once we do so we might have to kill or reason with our mad Inquisitor. Imagine using your Inquisitor's LI to snap them out of their delusion... That would be awesome!

Dragon Age: Revolution or something like that...

(Actually kind of like Pokemon Gold and Silver)

[TEWR]

 

 

Wouldn't it be awesome if the villain of the next DA game would be our inquisitor mad with power! 

 

NO.

[Addai]

This is why, if I have any say about it, the Inquisition will be disbanded pronto and everyone sent off home.

[DanteYoda]

Think about this! Wouldn't it be awesome if the villain of the next DA game would be our inquisitor mad with power! Kicking out all his/her advisors and allies (Cullen, Leliana, Josephine, Cassandra, Sera, Iron Bull ex...) even their LI. And then begins invading and controlling all of Thedas. And we lead a small rebellious group (maybe including ex-members of the inquisition) to over throw and destroy the inquisition. And once we do so we might have to kill or reason with our mad Inquisitor. Imagine using your Inquisitor's LI to snap them out of their delusion... That would be awesome!

Dragon Age: Revolution or something like that...

(Actually kind of like Pokemon Gold and Silver)

You had me till Pokemon Gold and Silver........

[esh1996]

You had me till Pokemon Gold and Silver........

It's a joke, in that game you can fight the save for your character from the previous game as a boss

[Melyanna]

An organizaton based on religious fanatism, that controls all the major political factions of two nations, is rich and has a huge army. Why would it be dangerous?

[Nehn]

This is probably why the keep has options for the inquisitor's Andraste acknowledgement and the inquisitor's judgements

But yes Morrigan's epilogue made me weary about the future of the Inquisition ...

[Maria13]

This is probably why the keep has options for the inquisitor's Andraste acknowledgement and the inquisitor's judgements

But yes Morrigan's epilogue made me weary about the future of the Inquisition ...

 

Wait, tired or distrustful?

[Bunny]

The Inquisition tried to exert power and stability where the mage rebellion created disorder. That's very nice, but with no accountability, forging alliances with powerful people, repressing the Inquisition's enemies, etc, it will make things worse. The Inquisitor accepted a role as a leader and a religious figure ["He's not the Messiah. He's a very naughty boy!"] but has failed to unite Thedas.

[Sah291]

Yes absolutely...the Inquisition is exactly the kind of organization I'd be wary of in any other circumstance, and then your character ends up leading it. I guess this is interesting from a role playing perspective. What would you do if you were suddenly in charge of a powerful organization on the verge of holy war?

I do think the writers are aware of it, hence a lot of the dialogue with Mother Giselle about building an organization that could save or destroy, and Leliana's whole character arc is a reflection of this as well, if she's hardened. The stuff with Envy. And it's probably the reason Solas expects not to like you at first and is later surprised, if you gain his approval.

Still I couldn't help but feel a little bit of an ominous vibe there at the end, despite the happy ending, leaving me with the idea my character is on a dangerous precipice, either potentially becoming a horrible villian....or maybe betrayed by her own people, like Andraste, if she doesn't go along with the next power grab.

[Bunny]

It's a tale as old as time. Darkspawn gets orb. Herald steals anchor. Herald creates Inquisition. Inquisition destroys Darkspawn. Inquisition creates revolution. Revolution eats Herald. Nug inherits the earth.

[EmissaryofLies]

I'd like to completely dismantle the Inquisition and scatter it to the winds. I do not trust the powers that be to do right by it, at least not for long. Divines can be taken out of the picture, friends can be betrayed, and reformations can take place that nullify progress.

 

I do not trust the intentions of the rabid, dogma loving, Southerners.

[Bunny]

[EmissaryofLies]

Think about this! Wouldn't it be awesome if the villain of the next DA game would be our inquisitor mad with power! Kicking out all his/her advisors and allies (Cullen, Leliana, Josephine, Cassandra, Sera, Iron Bull ex...) even their LI. And then begins invading and controlling all of Thedas. And we lead a small rebellious group (maybe including ex-members of the inquisition) to over throw and destroy the inquisition. And once we do so we might have to kill or reason with our mad Inquisitor. Imagine using your Inquisitor's LI to snap them out of their delusion... That would be awesome!

Dragon Age: Revolution or something like that...

(Actually kind of like Pokemon Gold and Silver)

 

I'd be pissed that I did not get to play that Inquisitor in the first place.

 

I doubt it would happen though.

[Bad King]

That's just one example. Literally every case of "They're badmouthing us" is treated as "They're just getting in the way" if not "They're allied with Corypheus!!".

 

Interestingly, this parallels Ambassador Udina in the Mass Effect series, so it's probably true that this is a wider BioWare problem.

 

An organizaton based on religious fanatism, that controls all the major political factions of two nations, is rich and has a huge army. Why would it be dangerous? 

 

Actually, I found the Inquisition to be boringly moderate. It pretty much completely lacked any sort of fanatic or revolutionary.

[BabyPuncher]

Given how poorly morality was handled in the game, it hardly even matters.

[BabyPuncher]

which implies deciding what is right, with an 'or else' thrown in there. Doesn't that sound like a spectacularly bad thing?

 

Oh no.

 

People thinking and coming to a conclusion.

 

What an unimaginable atrocity.

 

We can't have that.