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[AWTEW]

Firstly, the keyword in the title is: 'optional' and not compulsary.

 

AKA: I mean an OPTIONAL MODE, as in not the only mode. People who like to head-cannon, make their own character have their RP mode, and people who liked the 'Hawke system' have the DA2 style mode.

There is no distinct personality-set for to enjoy like there was in DA2. If there was a semi-set like Hawke ( with a personality)I would have enjoyed the game much more.

I get that other people can headcannon, and make up these cool inquisitors in their heads( so the neutral voice system was obviously tailored to them.) But, they are not the only type of players who play this game, there are people who want to play the game with an interesting 'bioware' protagonist.

I miss how the world reacted to Hawke's personality, how side quests could turn out differently according to Hawke's personality, and also how Hawke's personality could make the banter change.

All of the above imo, were great features, that didn't need to be completely scrapped like they were in DAI.

I believe, that there is room for both types of playstyles in the DAverse.  Hopefully, in  the next game, there will give equal consideration, too the players, who don't want to headcannon.

 

Something like ,maybe, a roleplaying mode and a personality mode.

 

Thoughts?

[Nefla]

I think the inquisitor was too neutral (even when the situation warranted more extreme emotion) but Hawke was often comically extreme for no good reason which made her seem like a crazy person. A middle ground between the two would be ideal in my eyes.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

I'm all for bringing as much Hawkism as possible to the next protagonist. The Inquisitor was a step up from the Warden, in my opinion, but neither of them felt as alive as Hawke did.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Playing as Hawke again? No. They've said they're never bringing the Warden back in that sense, so why would they go and do it with Hawke? They can be dead now too, to boot.

 

But a Hawke-esque sort of person again? Sure. I'm not fond of the 'pick and choose one of three personalities' thing, but they could have a second go at it. 

[AWTEW]

I think the inquisitor was too neutral (even when the situation warranted more extreme emotion) but Hawke was often comically extreme for no good reason which made her seem like a crazy person. A middle ground between the two would be ideal in my eyes.

Yeah, hawke did have some extreme moments, but some of them fit really well. Like 'tell them I died at chateu heine!!'.  

Playing as Hawke again? No. They've said they're never bringing the Warden back in that sense, so why would they go and do it with Hawke? They can be dead now too, to boot.
 
But a Hawke-esque sort of person again? Sure. I'm not fond of the 'pick and choose one of three personalities' thing, but they could have a second go at it.

Yeah, I get not everyone likes the 3 personality system, but some did. I guess, what i was trying to get across is that, it could be choice. Like the at the character screen you could choose the playstyle. Something like 'roleplaying mode' and 'personality mode'. if that makes sense.  

God, I hope not.
 
I hate forced human protagonists (race selection or bust), and I hate protagonists that have a single specific background and personality.
 
I don't like pre-made characters. I can play dozens of genres of video games with pre-made characters. What draws me to "design your own protagonist" RPGs is, well, being able to design my own protagonist, and have her explore an interesting world and interact with interesting characters. Also, having the option to respond to different situations in different ways depending on how I image a complex, nuanced person would, rather than ALWAYS having to respond "good," "goofy," or "jerky" because the protagonist is apparently a 1-dimensional exaggerated caricature of a personal with the emotional range of a teaspoon, or make it look like the PC suffers from MPD if I choose two different personality icons in the same conversation.
 
So, no, no Hawke. I actually want to play something other than human, I want the freedom to express more than one personality trait without it looking like the PC has Dissociative Identity Disorder, and I want to be able to headcanon details of the protagonist's life rather than being spoon-fed the entire backstory, family, family situation, and feelings about said family members.

I meant optional, as in it being a choice.

[Dubya75]

Completely agree with the OP here.

 

I've started playing DA2 again, just for giggles, and OMG WOW what a night-and-day difference to DAI!

 

It really highlighted for me just how incredibly BORING DAI is, especially the Inquisitor, who has no personality to speak of at all. 

 

I know who Hawke is. Heck, I even know who that mute guy from DAO is... but the Inquisitor? As far as personal presence and personality goes, he is completely absent from the game. A nobody, quite ironically. He has about as much personality as a chess piece. And the same function.

[SnakeCode]

I'm not so sure myself, despite Hawke being my favourite protagonist from the three games. I think having three set personalities takes away from his/her characterization. People only ever chose "snarky" Hawke anyway. I actually think the constant barrage of bad humour/jokes actually takes away from not only the characters but from the feel of the game itself. This was actually my biggest criticism of DA2, and that's saying something because DA2 had a LOT wrong with it. Hawke and co. constantly joking around took away any sense of fear, urgency, dread or threat that the game could have had, it's hard to have a believably threatening villain when you can disarm them with a sarcastic one liner.

 

So I suppose i'm not against a Hawke-like protagonist in future games, but if they do I hope the scale back the "funny" by not having it as an option for every single reponse. I know this isn't going to be a popular post as the witty/snarky options is pretty much the most popular thing here on the bsn.

[Dubya75]

I'm not so sure myself, despite Hawke being my favourite protagonist from the three games. I think having three set personalities takes away from his/her characterization. People only ever chose "snarky" Hawke anyway. I actually think the constant barrage of bad humour/jokes actually takes away from not only the characters but from the feel of the game itself. This was actually my biggest criticism of DA2, and that's saying something because DA2 had a LOT wrong with it. Hawke and co. constantly joking around took away any sense of fear, urgency, dread or threat that the game could have had, it's hard to have a believably threatening villain when you can disarm them with a sarcastic one liner.

 

So I suppose i'm not against a Hawke-like protagonist in future games, but if they do I hope the scale back the "funny" by not having it as an option for every single reponse. I know this isn't going to be a popular post as the witty/snarky options is pretty much the most popular thing here on the bsn.

 

So in short, humorous responses need to be kept in context? That is fair enough.

 

And BTW, it would be hasty to assume "everyone" used the sarcastic responses all the time. In my many playthroughs, I usually went with Warrior Hawke as the aggressive type, Mage Hawke as the sarcastic one, and Rogue as the mild-mannered. 

[Teddie Sage]

YES PLEASE. I mean... I wouldn't mind playing Sarcastic Hawke again. I miss my Hawke. *sighs* I figure the next protagonist could be Hawke if he/she returns and it's the same engine, or a new one with a different name. Wouldn't be that hard. 

[Teddie Sage]

I really couldn't relate to my Quizzie that much unlike Hawke, to be honest.

[Rawgrim]

I just want the option to create my own character, not one somebody else made for me.

[AWTEW]

I really couldn't relate to my Quizzie that much unlike Hawke, to be honest.

 

Neither could I, tbh.

 

I just want the option to create my own character, not one somebody else made for me.

 

That's cool, and totally okay But, thats not the way everyone likes to play. I think it would be fair if there was a mode, where you could select a play style. Like  mode A would still be all about roleplaying. While mode be would give the others a character like Hawke to play. Mode B could be set race,  iconic design, and only the gender could be changed. The VA's for mode B could  have a personality, and the VA for mode A could stay neutral.

[FadelessRipley]

Firstly, the keyword in the title is 'optional' and not compulsary.

There is no distinct personality-set for to enjoy like there was in DA2. If there was a semi-set like Hawke ( with a personality)I would have enjoyed the game much more.

I get that other people can headcannon, and make up these cool inquisitors in their heads( so the neutral voice system was obviously tailored to them.) But, they are not the only type of players who play this game, there are people who want to play the game with an interesting 'bioware' protagonist.

I miss how the world reacted to hawkes personality, how side quests could turn out differently according to hawkes personality, and also how hawkes personality could make the banter change.

All of the above imo, were great features, that didn't need to be completely scrapped like they were in DAI.

I believe, that there is room for both types of playstyles in the DAverse.  Hopefully, that the next game will give equal consideration, to the players who don't want to headcannon.

 

Something like ,maybe, a roleplaying mode and a personality mode.

I'm a huge headcanon fan and I loved Hawke and the personality types. I'm hugely invested in and attached to my Warden and Hawke, but not to my Inquisitor. I mean I like them, but I don't love them. I grew attached to the other two during my first playthroughs, so it's not simply the fact that I've replayed each several times. One of the best things about Hawke's personality was the way dialogue choices stacked. So my Hawke was cheeky, but choosing a diplomatic or aggressive option here and there didn't flip her personality on its head. The emotive options for the Inquisitor seem to swing wildly from the more neutral responses. 

 

I don't see why a system like this necessarily has to tie us down to a pre-selected race option, either. It would take a bit of work, but it is feasible to have some preset personality but optional PC backgrounds. Failing your very good suggestion, I think something like an Origin story would be a good idea. The Warden was a silent protagonist and you could still grow to love them, because you actually knew something about them before the big quest kicked off. 

[Felya87]

No. I can't stand Hawke in any way. I hate the forced human protagonist (is still the only human character I have ever played in the DA serie, and I hated every moment of it) and I didn't liked the different personalityles. It always lead to feel an answer was wrong if I decided to have more nuanced personality. I had a goody Hawke, the moment I make her answer in an agressive tone to a Meredith (she just treatened Bethany) the voice was totally different. Very off putting.

 

and it wasn't better with a sarcastic Hawke. She endend up giving jokeysh answers in autodialogue without me deciding it. I couldn't have her be sensible and serious when I wanted, since I usually play goofy characters that can be serious and sensible time to time. and it unnerved me big time.

 

So no. no Hawke in any possibile way, thak you very much. I hated DA2 for many reasons, not only Hawke, but her psyco change of tone was one of the worst thing for me. Bleah. Never again.

[Voodoo Dancer]

I fear the next time we get to play as Hawke will be about the same time Shepard climbs out of that rubble and finally shakes of the indoctrination , never , though nothing would make me happier than both those things .  Bioware seems to like to change and evolve each game as they go .

[Dubya75]

I fear the next time we get to play as Hawke will be about the same time Shepard climbs out of that rubble and finally shakes of the indoctrination , never , though nothing would make me happier than both those things .  Bioware seems to like to change and evolve each game as they go .

 

The next time we play as Hawke? Maker, help us! I truly  hope that NEVER happens again, based on the butchered Hawke we saw in DAI...

[Sylvius the Mad]

I can't imagine BioWare would ever make this an option. The protagonist is such a resource-intensive character, they're not going to make more than one kind for us.

Hawke was never interesting to me. He was as engaging as any NPC, which is to say not at all. The characters I enjoy are characters I can play, and I didn't get to play Hawke. I just got to watch him.

So if they have to choose which sort of protagonist to give us, I want the blank slate rather than the pre-set character.

The Warden and the Inquisitor were much more alive to me (the Warden slightly more so, likely due to being silent).

I still maintain that voicing the protagonist is a terrible idea, but if it must be done then I would like it done in a way that preserves the roleplaying freedom of a silent protagonist as much as possible. And in that respect, the Inquisitor is vastly superior to either Hawke or Shepard.

[Teddie Sage]

I don't believe it when people say they didn't play Hawke. You could control them and their thoughts and play as them in three different glasses and different specs options. Saying you couldn't "play" them is a lie.

[Voodoo Dancer]

I prefer the voiced protagonist , it makes my character feel included in the world , the voiceless one makes me feel like im standing outside the world looking in .

[b10d1v]

AWTEW makes a good point about missing behaviors in general

 

Personality settings among other things were critical in skyrim (somewhat old tech, well the unmodded anyway) to determine how NPC's responded to you and even trigger their body language, Bioware seemed to have this well under control even before DAO and then forgot!   Furthermore, Inquisition has a low environmental "feel" or immersion due to poor development of the core character behavior details and interaction with all the other NPCs you may come across.  Hit and miss just doesn't cut it.

[JeffKaos]

I'd be be alright with this. As a stand alone adventure but not as true sequel. Hawke has a lot of adventures ahead of him and I think of him as DA's version of Commander Sheapherd. No reason he can't have an add on like Lileanna's Song.

[AWTEW]

I'm a huge headcanon fan and I loved Hawke and the personality types. I'm hugely invested in and attached to my Warden and Hawke, but not to my Inquisitor. I mean I like them, but I don't love them. I grew attached to the other two during my first playthroughs, so it's not simply the fact that I've replayed each several times. One of the best things about Hawke's personality was the way dialogue choices stacked. So my Hawke was cheeky, but choosing a diplomatic or aggressive option here and there didn't flip her personality on its head. The emotive options for the Inquisitor seem to swing wildly from the more neutral responses. 

 

I don't see why a system like this necessarily has to tie us down to a pre-selected race option, either. It would take a bit of work, but it is feasible to have some preset personality but optional PC backgrounds. Failing your very good suggestion, I think something like an Origin story would be a good idea. The Warden was a silent protagonist and you could still grow to love them, because you actually knew something about them before the big quest kicked off. 

 

 I  see your point, it wouldn't  nesscarily have to be race restricted. I get what your saying about the pre-set backgrounds, but that would not really set a personality as such. Oh and thank you for  such a polite response