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[Shechinah]

I think it also that when simplified it perhaps comes down to that Solas knows they are the same people but that the culture and way of life are so vastly different, if that makes any sense. 

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

At one point, Solas called my Lavellan "Da'len" (little child), I imagine he sees the entirety of modern Elves as such.

[Shechinah]

Solas also, I believe, refer to Lavellan as "Lethallin" or "Lethallan" which is used to convey that someone is familiar. Sometimes akin to "cousin" or "clansman" since "lin" is apparently the elvhen word for blood. I think it is after "The Dawn Will Come" and casually just after he lights the veilfire.

 

Sometimes I speculate that Solas is about as confused or conflicted over how he sees the elves as we are.

[Gervaise]

I must admit I'm getting some of this.    The thing is I am something of a "method" role player so I really get into character.   Being forced to be a Dalish rather than a city elf, I bought into the idea of "we are the last of the elvhanen".    Which is why I then take the view of some of the posters here after my experiences with both Solas and Abelas and basically say "up yours" if that is how you think of us and "you can stick your help".    Which is why I hope that the Dalish get the option of deciding whether or not to support Solas and his ancient elves in the future.

 

I noticed there was actually an interesting conversation going on in the courtyard after the final battle between two elves, one of whom appeared to be wearing armour that looked like a sentinel but I assume he must have picked it up off the battlefield because he appeared to be supporting belief in the Maker, whilst the other elf, who dressed and sounded like Dalish, was enthusiastic about the Dalish Inquisitor having gone into the Temple and come back again with information about the gods.   Both were referencing the events at the Temple.    So at least it would appear that elves are discussing it.   I'd like to think my elven Inquisitors will be addressing the next big meeting of the clans and filling them in on what they learnt.   After that I suppose it is up to them.    I'd like to think that at least their clan will both believe them and ditch veneration for the old elven gods and trying to please them in favour of building their own future in collaboration with other races, as they have done in Wycombe.

 

As for Solas, it is very evident that he views his advice as the only advice worth having.   Otherwise he seems to encourage you to be as dogmatic and self centred in what your believe as he is.    Perish the thought that you should listen to anyone else.     For example, after returning from your trip to the future he asks if you think it really happened and was not just a trick of the Fade.   Now I can understand him disapproving if a mage Inquisitor does not have the courage of their own convictions but when my non-mage says, Dorian thinks so, that seems a sensible approach to me but not to Solas.    Another instance is when he asks what you are going to do with the knowledge from the well.   Suggest you might consult with other people and "Solas disapproves".    In case he hadn't noticed I've been taking the advice of other people, including him, since I first took on the role and have probably been the better for it.      If you go for the arrogant "I'll do what I think best" and if it goes wrong "examine my own actions (without reference to anyone else) and try again", Solas approves.   Presumably because you have just endorsed his own plan of action.   It was very sad really.   Solas' greatest fear was dying alone.    I did my best to convince him that didn't need to happen but clearly he just prefers running solo.

[Keizor]

I picture the ancient elves, each committed to his/her respective god, saying the same things about each other.  "Those Adruil-ites aren't REAL elves!"  "Only us followers of Falon'din are REAL elves!"  "The only REAL elves here are insert god's name people!"  Every group was saying this I'll bet.  Except for Dirthman-ites; they'd be all "WE'RE THE BEST ELVES!"  "shhhhhhh.  Its a secret!"

 

Maybe that's why the dread wolf just sit everyone in timeout for millennia.

[In Exile]

Well, he does say "Our People" in talks to Sera.

He's a bit of a person who waffles on whether he considers himself one of The People or not. Probably stems from guilt.

More likely stems from his not keeping his lies straight. Remember that part of his self narrative is made up to cover for his being what amounts to a god (or the closest thing we've seen to a god).

[LOLandStuff]

Hate to break it to you, but no.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

More likely stems from his not keeping his lies straight. Remember that part of his self narrative is made up to cover for his being what amounts to a god (or the closest thing we've seen to a god).

 

Honestly my first assumption would be that it's just an oversight or a mistake on Bioware's part. Sort of like how any companions who advise Shepard not to destroy the Collector Base immediately change their minds once you get back to the Normandy.

 

I remember getting a similar impression from his arguments with Morrigan about Mythal in the Temple, but he also claims to believe almost exactly what Morrigan does about Mythal afterward so I wasn't even sure what they were fighting about.

[midnight tea]

Well, we do know that ancient elves warred with one another - and warred so badly that they destroyed themselves. They were probably divided on nations or clans (or loyal to different gods), so it really shouldn't be that much of a surprise that there would be divisions between them. I mean, ask yourselves if Tevinter people call Nevarrans or Orlesians 'their people'? 

 

We also have to take into consideration that, from what we know, elven society has been rigidly divided on classes - and there's high possibility that pretty much all modern elves descend from servant/slave caste. It would also explain why the Dalish adapted vallaslin, even if the original meaning of it was lost to them.

 

 

As for Solas... I think being "one of the People" for him lies more in mentality or character, rather than whether they're ancient or modern elves.

 

After all, he calls befriended/romanced Lavellan "lethallin/lethallan" and changes his farewell to elven.

It's fair to assume that after he accepts Inquisitor as a friend and - more importantly - reveals that he holds him/her in absurdly high regard (especially for him, since he's not really throwing compliments left and right) by comparing Inquisitors to some great figure from his past, they become - effectively - "one of His People".

 

That doesn't mean that he automatically rejects all elves or does so definitely - he even tells Sera, the anti-elf in regards of behavior, that "they're not really that far apart".

 

 

However I don't think that his mission is as "simple" as saving or bringing back ancient elves, or maybe even gods, but probably has something to do with what those of his kin who remember old times might bring back to decaying Thedas - namely, magic. It's very, veeery possible - judging from things sometimes said by Solas, Flemeth or Morrigan - that what is at stake here is the future of probably all things magical. 

 

Solas even slips it when we approach him with non-elf Inquisitors after "Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts" and pick one of the dialogue options (I know it's available after reconciling Briala with Celene).

 

Direct quote below:

 

my human rogue: "I liked it. The Inquisition gets a valuable ally, and perhaps your people will get better treatment in Orlais."

Solas (obviously caught off-guard): "How will mages be treated better? Oh, you mean elves!"

 

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It's also possible that 'being one of the People' is similar for Abelas as well. If you find Untranslatable Elven Writing (wiki on it: http://dragonage.wik...e_Elven_Writing), it will say:
 

"We are trapped. The ones born here do not understand the keenness of what we have lost, or why so many of their elders weep as they enter uthenera. The new ones are faithful to Mythal, but do not understand what she was in her fullness. Without the wise to lead them, they will lose what they should have been.

 

I will teach them. They must serve. We must prepare for those who cast Mythal down. I shed my name the day I began her service. I shed my new one again, now that she rests. I will only be known by the sorrow that cuts my heart."

 

It's strongly indicated that this thing has been written by Abelas and kinda reflects what Solas tells to Serra at some point ("You are the farthest of what you're meant to be").

What it means exactly isn't clear, but it might support a proposition that being 'one of the People' is possibly more of a mental thing, rather than physical. Why Abelas doesn't recognize elven Inquisitor as one, while Solas does (with high enough approval) is anyone's guess... though it wasn't obvious for Solas from the start as well.