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[Dark Helmet]

Surprised he doesn't like Leliana

 

Not enough HEROISM.

[Steelcan]

Surprised he doesn't like Leliana

as am I, but we now have the full force of his Heroicness on our side, we win by default

[Dark Helmet]

as am I, but we now have the full force of his Heroicness on our side, we win by default

 

And on the thirtieth day of the third month of the two thousand and fifteenth year of our lord David did the waifu war come to an end.

 

There was much rejoicing.

[AresKeith]

as am I, but we now have the full force of his Heroicness on our side, we win by default

 

I like Leliana tho 

[Han Shot First]

But why do these Lelianites feel such a desperate need to justify their preference for her ending, though? 

 

Not all fans of Leliana agree that she's the best Divine, or that success on the softened path would be achievable.

 

She is one of my favorite characters in the series, and I like her more than Cassandra, but I think Cassandra makes a better Divine. I'm also in agreement with those that think the radical reforms Leliana wants to carry out probably wouldn't be achievable without some violence or bloodshed. I think she'd also be at the greatest risk of assassination of the three candidates.

[Br3admax]

I like Leliana tho 

I'm not saying you should reevaluate your life, Keith, but yeah. 

[Patchwork]

Softened Leliana might not have blood running through the Grand Cathedral's halls but I don't doubt her reforms are pushed through with a combination of fast talking, blackmail and assassination. Hardened Leliana goes straight to killing off her opposition and doesn't bother to be subtle about it, a lot more people are going to have reason to want that version dead. 

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Another thread about Divine Leliana with Lelianites preaching how perfect Leliana and her endings is, trying to convince people to change their mind into agreeing with them. Hmm, this formula is very familiar, and we've seen it too many time. And before you Lelianites start attacking people who supporting Cassandra or Vivienne as divine, tbh I don't see them frequently create a thread to convince people that they're right. I have nothing against Leliana, but by the Stone! Some of these Lelianites feel desperately need to shove their opinion and beliefs down to other people's throat don't they.

[raging_monkey]

Another thread about Divine Leliana with Lelianites preaching how perfect Leliana and her endings is, trying to convince people to change their mind into agreeing with them. Hmm, this formula is very familiar, and we've seen it too many time. And before you Lelianites start attacking people who supporting Cassandra or Vivienne as divine, tbh I don't see them frequently create a thread to convince people that they're right. I have nothing against Leliana, but by the Stone! Some of these Lelianites feel desperately need to shove their opinion and beliefs down to other people's throat don't they.

the same could be said of other vivites and cassandites they all do it. sides i tote sunshine lels but i dont go bananas bout it lol

[SgtSteel91]

But the OP's point isn't that Leliana is the best Divine, it's explaining why her being Divine and making her reforms work isn't as illogical as much as Cassandra or Vivienne being Divine and having their reforms work.

[Lumix19]

But the OP's point isn't that Leliana is the best Divine, it's explaining why her being Divine and making her reforms work isn't as illogical as much as Cassandra or Vivienne being Divine and having their reforms work.

I have a feeling some people didn't read actually the OP and just skipped to "outrage" and "there is no best Divine".

[Xilizhra]

But why do these Lelianites feel such a desperate need to justify their preference for her ending, though? There's a new thread "in defense of Leliana" at least twice a week... like anyone cares what you do in your own game. Like all this preaching about how perfect Leliana and her ending are is going to change the minds of people who don't want her to be Divine in their own games.

 

Can you just not choose your Divine and be happy with her and not bother justifying your choice? Seriously... no one cares. It's your game, make Schmooples II the new Divine if you want.

If no one truly cared, there wouldn't be zillions of people decrying it as unrealistic, hm?

[Tamyn]

As much as I would like Leliana's sunshine and rainbows approach to work, I highly doubt it. Too much radical change too fast won't happen peacefully. Sure, she may end up on top but it will be a hell of a bloody fight. Which is why Darth Leliana's reign of terror is the realistic option if you want Leliana as Divine.  

 

Darth Leliana was my first and only ending so far. I got it without supporting any candidate or even bothering to care about who is Divine.

 

She already had her Sith hood ready.

[riverbanks]

If no one truly cared, there wouldn't be zillions of people decrying it as unrealistic, hm?

 

No, see. No one cares what you do in your game. I care about I do in my game. I don't have to justify my choice of Divine, or make arguments for why my Divine is better than someone's else's, or more realistic than the other choices - it's my game, I do what I want. Yeah I think Leliana is unrealistic, but what's it to you? How does that affect your game at all? And likewise, what's it to me if you like her ending better? Doesn't affect anything in my game either.

 

The point is, I don't care about your game any more than you care about mine, and that's alright. No one needs to be justifying or "defending" their choices, because whatever choice you make is the right one for you, and who cares what other people are doing on their own games.

 

Unless by "defending" our choices we really mean "convincing everyone my choices are better than theirs," in which case we all need to sit down and take five, because we have a serious collective case of the stupids.

[Steelcan]

If no one truly cared, there wouldn't be zillions of people decrying it as unrealistic, hm?

because dalish bashing is so three months ago

[Xilizhra]

No, see. No one cares what you do in your game. I care about I do in my game. I don't have to justify my choice of Divine, or make arguments for why my Divine is better than someone's else's, or more realistic than the other choices - it's my game, I do what I want. Yeah I think Leliana is unrealistic, but what's it to you? How does that affect your game at all? And likewise, what's it to me if you like her ending better? Doesn't affect anything in my game either.

 

The point is, I don't care about your game any more than you care about mine, and that's alright. No one needs to be justifying or "defending" their choices, because whatever choice you make is the right one for you, and who cares what other people are doing on their own games.

 

Unless by "defending" our choices we really mean "convincing everyone my choices are better than theirs," in which case we all need to sit down and take five, because we have a serious collective case of the stupids.

It wouldn't be anything to me, if the opposition wasn't constantly talking about how unrealistic it is.

[riverbanks]

It wouldn't be anything to me, if the opposition wasn't constantly talking about how unrealistic it is.

 

"The opposition"? What do you think this forum is, an election? A civil war? The Hunger Games?

 

lol, "the opposition," honestly.

[Catche Jagger]

Softened Leliana might not have blood running through the Grand Cathedral's halls but I don't doubt her reforms are pushed through with a combination of fast talking, blackmail and assassination. Hardened Leliana goes straight to killing off her opposition and doesn't bother to be subtle about it, a lot more people are going to have reason to want that version dead.

Hmmm... I find that to be a bit unlikely. Steeled Leliana isn't stupid, she is simply more pragmatic about things. Despite the fact that steeled Leliana is often referred to as "kill-crazy" on the forums, she remains and intelligent and resourceful. The big difference between "steeled" and "inspired" Leliana is that the former neither compromises nor forgives. She is all about getting this done as efficiently as possible.

The idea that inspired Leliana is similarly ruthless, but is simply smarter about it, is a disservice to the steeled version of Leliana.

[Xilizhra]

"The opposition"? What do you think this forum is, an election? A civil war? The Hunger Games?

 

lol, "the opposition," honestly.

Well, what would you prefer me to call you/them? The haters? The out crowd? The Anti-Nugs?

[Steelcan]

Well, what would you prefer me to call you/them? The haters? The out crowd? The Anti-Nugs?

oh what was that name one of the dalish fans gave us.... I cannot remember it for the life of me

[riverbanks]

Well, what would you prefer me to call you/them? The haters? The out crowd? The Anti-Nugs?

 

Oy, no hating on the nugs. I would make Schmooples II the new Divine over the others if that was a choice.

[Reznore57]

Leliana's ending is unrealistic.

I mean she disband the templars , the circles...basically the Chantry washes its end of everything and just stands for moral support.

Which is fine ...but it can't be working now.

There's no one to deal with abominations , maleficar etc...

Fione creates the college of Enchanters , but we have no idea what the hell they are doing.The mages aren't trained to hunt and act as templars.They need to rebuild the whole system to be able to pick up , feed , educate mage children.

They need funds etc...

The populace are uneducated about magic, unlike the avaar or Dalish , there's no long tradition guiding people and helping them cope with magic.

Like what five years ago , if there was a mage , people called the templars , templars took the mage away.

Now what?

The sisters and clerics who have chantries in the countryside also know nothing about magic.

 

And there's the fact that mages were rampaging the countryside not long ago....So I can't imagine the peasents  going "oh our beloved new Divine Leliana preach love and nugs for everyone.All mages are now free , it's the best decision EVER."

 

I imagine the Inquisition has to deal with all that mess anyway...

What's funny is right after freeing the mages , you get a couple of mission to help them because people wants to gut them.

One of them is a letter from a templar who's keeping the peasant from purging the circle.

So yeah , it's like in a couple of months things completly changed for no reasons at all.

[Nightingale]

I still think Mother Giselle would've made more sense.

 

Not all fans of Leliana agree that she's the best Divine, or that success on the softened path would be achievable.

 

She is one of my favorite characters in the series, and I like her more than Cassandra, but I think Cassandra makes a better Divine. I'm also in agreement with those that think the radical reforms Leliana wants to carry out probably wouldn't be achievable without some violence or bloodshed. I think she'd also be at the greatest risk of assassination of the three candidates.

 

I can't really speak for the OP's intentions, but I read it as simply explaining how it could work, not that she's the best choice. Like others have said, there is no "best" choice. It's all up to the player's personal opinions (and their World State, to an extent; this would be so out of left field and misplaced if one has always sided with Templars).

 

Anyway, I agree. I like this ending, she's one of my favourite characters, and I do think it's possible...but she would meet a lot of resistance and I don't see her surviving as long as the other two, whether through assassination or simply working herself into an early grave.

[Dark Helmet]

It wouldn't be anything to me, if the opposition wasn't constantly talking about how unrealistic it is.

 

You know this makes you sound paranoid yes?

 

"Anyone who disagrees with my choices is part of an organized conspiracy to hate me and all things Just!"

[Augustei]

Here's a hint guys, if your side of an argument is on the defense far more than the alternative options, it's probably because said choice sucks. Just sayin' =P