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[SomeoneStoleMyName]

*SPOILERS*

 

 

When Solas ask you in Haven to imagine what the world would be like - if the physical world and the fade was one (if there were no veil), he speaks as if nostalgic and remembering it, as if it was like that once. 

 

Is it a theory or proven in the lore? That the world was once... "one"?

Considering the lore it would make sense, especially the Dalish history parts. Do you think Solas could be responsible for creating the veil and severing the spiritual / magical aspect of the world from the physical?

 

Solas looks upon spirits with as much regard (if not more) than regular people. Elves were immortal (or at least had a long life span) before. And Solas seemingly has regrets for the state of the world. To top it off, remember that Solas's orb is what had the power to grant the mark and manipulate the veil into opening or closing the veil. In other words - Fen'Harel had the key to opening or closing the veil. If we look at the mage questline, the breach in the future was - pretty obviously - merging the physical world and the fade.

In conclusion. Fen'harel had the power to merge the fade and the physical world. Fen'Harel locked the old gods away. Fen'Harel speaks of a world where the fade and the physical world is one. 

Seems pretty conclusive to me at least that Fen'Harel is responsible for dividing the world into physical and spirit counterparts, veil created to separate them. 

Thoughts?

 

[Hellion Rex]

I'm not sold on him making the Veil. I'm not sure that even he has the power to create something that is intrinsically tied to every mortal mind, save for dwarves.

 

However, I do believe that he at least made the Black City.

[Nehn]

You should have posted this on the Solas thread 

I don't think he was reponsible. It is possible, but there are other pantheons with probably more power than him (ie Mythal, Elgar'nan)

I think he most likely lived in Thedas before the Veil and eventually Mythal or Elgar'nan created the Veil.

[Slappy Ya Face]

It's a great question to ask, but honestly, I don't think anyone knows for sure. If I had to speculate, which I'll pretend that I do, then I'd agree that he once used the orb to seal away the gods.

 

I'm sure sure if he made the orb, or if he found it, or what. If he can't just replace the thing, then I guess the logical conclusion is that he picked it up somewhere. I'm also not sure how corypheus got ahold of it, and I don't think that was ever explained either. 

[myahele]

I dont think so if we go by this dialogue between Solas and Dorian it seems like there may have been more than one orb. That perhaps each god had their own?

 

• Dorian:That orb Corypheus carries... are you certain it's of elven origin, Solas?
• Solas:I believe so. Why do you ask?
• Dorian:There are paintings in the Magisterium's archives of men holding similar orbs.
• Dorian:They were depictions of a time long before the magisters. The ancient Dreamers, perhaps.
• Dorian:The texts called those orbs "somnaborium"--"vessels of dreams." Could they be the same thing?
• Solas:Perhaps. The humans of ancient times took much from the elves.
• Dorian:And Corypheus isn't far removed from the time. Hmm.

Legends say that Fen'harel created a "weapon" that both sets of gods wanted. So far we know that

1.Solas' orb can rip open the veil

2.Solas' artifacts that he asks us to activate "strengthens" the veil...yet once we do that a new veil tear/quest is unlocked

2. In Dragon Age:Redmption the Mask of Fen'Harel can be activated and was tearing the the veil (that could've summoned something)

 

If anything, Fen'Harel is associated with tearing veils

[Lethaya]

Solas tells you that much about the orbs on his own, no? Before leading you to Skyhold? If I recall correctly, he mentions there were several, that they were used by and attributed to the Elven gods, etc.

 

Quote time! Cause why not, right?

 

Spoiler

Solas: Imagine if spirits were not a rarity but a part of our natural world like... a fast-flowing river. Yes, it can drown careless children, but it can also carry a merchant's goods or grind a miller's flour. That is what the world could be if the Veil were not present. For better or worse.

Solas: Imagine if spirits entered freely, if the Fade was not a place one went but a state of nature like the wind. A world where imagination defines reality, where spirits are as common as trees or grass.

 

Inquisitor: Are you ever concerned that you’ve turned your back on your people?
Solas: I have done no such thing. I simply see no way to help the elves, oppressed as they are now.
Inquisitor: The man who has lived half his life in the Fade has no ideas?
Solas: Not unless we collapse the Veil and bring the Fade here so I can casually reshape reality, no.

 

Yavana (comics!): Your heart beats with the old blood, as well. Where do you think it comes from? It sings of a time when dragons ruled the skies. A time before the Veil, before the mysteries were forgotten. Can you hear it?

 

Always found those interesting! Anywho, I could go either way on this (Fen'Harel's part, that is). Perhaps the creation of the Veil would have been what allowed him to seal away the Pantheon? I do think there was a time, perhaps during the height of Arlathan, when the Veil wasn't... a thing. XD Perhaps the Fade being another force of nature, another part of the world, was what gave Elves their immortality way back when? As a race they seem to be a lot more connected to magic, and thus the Fade, than the rest. Woo, speculation!

 

If you're looking for proof, though, I don't think there'll be much for you. That's what Dragon Age does, it gives you so much lore and information, but all it ever does is leave you with more questions! XD

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Necroing my own thread here to gloat how I hit the nail with this one. Bask in my past wisdom!

[Nixou]

Necroing my own thread here to gloat how I hit the nail with this one. Bask in my past wisdom!

 

Enjoy gloating to your heart content: you earned it

[GrinningRogue]

If he created the veil, wouldn't that make him The Maker?

[Nixou]

If he created the veil, wouldn't that make him The Maker?

 

Nope: he created neither the Fade nor the Physical World

[SandiKay0]

I think he was mistaken for the maker, not that he is the maker. I can't remember which codex said the maker made the veil. I might be misremembering it, though.

[Mlady]

I think he was mistaken for the maker, not that he is the maker. I can't remember which codex said the maker made the veil. I might be misremembering it, though.

 

That's correct. Someone mistook Solas creating the Veil for the Maker creating it. Not sure how much else was mistaken based on Arlathan, but the Chantry is a mess of contradictions now.

[arelenriel]

That's correct. Someone mistook Solas creating the Veil for the Maker creating it. Not sure how much else was mistaken based on Arlathan, but the Chantry is a mess of contradictions now.

Not that they haven't always been - after all an elf (Thane Shartan) helped found the Chantry, an elf who was also a mage was the last Inquisitor of the First Inquisition, the Seekers knew about the cure for Tranquility that was one of the sparking points for the Mage-Templar war since the end of the First Inquisition,  and there are rumors that Andraste was a mage which given what we learn about the Avaar and their ancestors the Alamaari in JOH is probably true. They have swept a whole lot of things under the carpet about the history of the Chantry and they don't have any valid excuses unlike the elves who lost most of their history when Arlathan fell and then again when the Dales fell, and the dwarves who lost a great deal of their history when their Thaigs fell to the Darkspawn (though given what we learn in Descent they also covered up their fair share of history)

[Mlady]

Not that they haven't always been - after all an elf (Thane Shartan) helped found the Chantry, an elf who was also a mage was the last Inquisitor of the First Inquisition, the Seekers knew about the cure for Tranquility that was one of the sparking points for the Mage-Templar war since the end of the First Inquisition,  and there are rumors that Andraste was a mage which given what we learn about the Avaar and their ancestors the Alamaari in JOH is probably true. They have swept a whole lot of things under the carpet about the history of the Chantry and they don't have any valid excuses unlike the elves who lost most of their history when Arlathan fell and then again when the Dales fell, and the dwarves who lost a great deal of their history when their Thaigs fell to the Darkspawn (though given what we learn in Descent they also covered up their fair share of history)

 

Basically everything the Chantry is against is what was in the actual past. Elves, Mages, etc... this is why I make Leilana a softened Divine. She puts Shartan back in the Chant.

[Dabrikishaw]

Congrats on a guess well done SomeoneStoleMyName!