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[X Equestris]

Non-humans can enter the Chantry hierarchy OP.
 
See Brother Burkel.

Yes, but my understanding is that they are typically kept in the lowest echelons. We never see a non-human revered mother, for example.

[Forsythia77]

If Leliana can just throw out the Circle system and racial restrictions, I doubt gender equality is going to be the straw that breaks the camel's back.

 

She can throw convention out and let men in but just because she does it doesn't mean the ordinary people making bread in Denerem  or tailoring shirts in Orlais will agree with it.  Of course, they might.  I don't know.  It could be like ripping a band-aid off and just getting it done with, ya know?  I actually think its kind of odd that gender is even a consideration in the Chantry since gender doesn't really come into consideration otherwise in the game.  It makes no difference if you play as a male or female.  And your gender doesn't change the outcome of the game.  I mean yeah there are still kings and queens and stuff but in a way gender seems to be a non-issue except for in the chantry.

[Reznore57]

She can throw convention out and let men in but just because she does it doesn't mean the ordinary people making bread in Denerem  or tailoring shirts in Orlais will agree with it.  Of course, they might.  I don't know.  It could be like ripping a band-aid off and just getting it done with, ya know?  I actually think its kind of odd that gender is even a consideration in the Chantry since gender doesn't really come into consideration otherwise in the game.  It makes no difference if you play as a male or female.  And your gender doesn't change the outcome of the game.  I mean yeah there are still kings and queens and stuff but in a way gender seems to be a non-issue except for in the chantry.

 

It's because it was a dude , Maferath , who betrayed Andraste.

And it was also a dude who ended up killing her.

But it's mostly Maferath betrayal causing the problem here.

It's true Maferath Betrayal and the fact the Chantry thinks men are less trustworthy didn't have much ripple effect on the rest of society.

[Dragonzzilla]

Nope. Still no men under Leliana. Women are everywhere.

 

Before any of you make threats of strangling me with my own Achilles tendon, that was a joke to that one thread.

[Lumix19]

It's because it was a dude , Maferath , who betrayed Andraste.
And it was also a dude who ended up killing her.
But it's mostly Maferath betrayal causing the problem here.
It's true Maferath Betrayal and the fact the Chantry thinks men are less trustworthy didn't have much ripple effect on the rest of society.

I dunno. Perhaps it made society a bit more egalitarian.

[TevinterSupremacist]

But we already allow that in the superior chantry, that's the problem...? <.<

[X Equestris]

She can throw convention out and let men in but just because she does it doesn't mean the ordinary people making bread in Denerem  or tailoring shirts in Orlais will agree with it.  Of course, they might.  I don't know.  It could be like ripping a band-aid off and just getting it done with, ya know?  I actually think its kind of odd that gender is even a consideration in the Chantry since gender doesn't really come into consideration otherwise in the game.  It makes no difference if you play as a male or female.  And your gender doesn't change the outcome of the game.  I mean yeah there are still kings and queens and stuff but in a way gender seems to be a non-issue except for in the chantry.

I think the ordinary people in Denerim and Val Royeaux are more concerned about magic than they are letting men into the priesthood.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

 Mother Giselle tells you that the official stance is that men aren't allowed in the priesthood cus they're "more given to passion and worldliness", ala Maeferath. And then she admits she thinks the restriction is really "simply political". The justification for men being excluded came after the fact and has no basis in Andraste's actions or teachings, at least that we've been made aware.

 

That said, its still traditionally how its always been done, so it'd still be upsetting an apple cart, regardless. I'd think people would have an easier time with female Andrastian elves and dwarves being admitted to the priesthood cus that's more a switch from "some women" to "all women". Admitting men, especially with Tevinter's chantry in existence and relations with Tevinter being how they are, would be a bigger step. That's more similar to making the Orlesian chantry noticeably more like the Tevinter one and the ppl would balk more at that than the idea of following the current tradition of an all female preisthood, only now all faithful women can participate.

 

And even that will be weird for a lot of people, for a while. But they'd get over it quicker, cus a Mother would still be a Mother, even though she might be short or have pointy ears now (or horns, even, if we get a qunari in like Rivain or something).

[TheDuncanMorgan]

Well Trespasser has answered this for me:

 

If Leliana is divine then men are allowed into the chantry along with other races.

[Qun00]

Of course, WoT is also the progenitor of "Blood magic is powered by pain", so... One can fully expect it to be wrong.

Is that where you draw the line?

"Blood magic comes from demons. They could counter every bit of lore I know. But the taint is alien to them." Avernus, a blood mage, saying it clearly way back in DAO.

But WoT is going out of its way to make blood magic evil by adding the pain increases power part?

[The Baconer]

Is that where you draw the line?

"Blood magic comes from demons. They could counter every bit of lore I know. But the taint is alien to them." Avernus, a blood mage, saying it clearly way back in DAO.

But WoT is going out of its way to make blood magic evil by adding the pain increases power part?

 

Yeah. 

[Qun00]

Ahh, this I like.

With none of it addressed with counter arguments, my point stands tall. Irrefuted, unscathed, shining.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Looks like it. Hopefully they stay away from Pope Francis, however. That guy would not know a good thing if God himself came down to smite him with it upside the head.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Whether women can become Divine in the Imperium is one of those things that we are given explicitly contradictory information on from World of Thedas 1 and Dorian. I know Bioware often does this on purpose, but in this case it definitely seems like some kind of mix up on their part.