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[b10d1v]

The point of classes is that by species or training you are better suited for different weapons or skill sets than others and in DAI tolerance to and utility of lyrium is basically species driven.  The rule of thumb is six months to train a soldier and 10 years to train a diplomat, but never that a soldier can't be a diplomat.  That said you are not supposed to be able to do it all.

 

At the simplest case a mage is brains over brawn -they are educated for many years and have affinity for books over toning their body to armor and heavy weapons.  Those few outside the circle have to look to alternative means to develop their skills.  Alchemy comes naturally to mages as well as enchanting and metallurgy to a lesser degree as the risk of exposure to excessive lyrium forces them to employ dwarves and others immune to it to do the construction.  A mage looks best with his enchanted books that contain their spell class and notes and a walking staff.  I look at the staff as only an amplifier that may be more powerful with enchantments and inquisitions is a bit inconsistent here.  A crafting overhaul would go hand in hand with your work.

 

The rogue really has to rely on skills that "out fox" and "out maneuver" the opponent, as most have little access to training and must rely on keen observation skills, thus they are also good scouts and hunters.  Sera also demonstrates the elven affinity for a bow as she picked up the skill naturally and is more skilled with a blade as a cutpurse.

 

The greatsword only looks reasonable on a big fella or one very stout gal due to its size and qunari do it best justice.  Keeping with some reasonable physical limitations except for people honed from early age to handle them - unlike Hawke's younger brother.

 

This is just to counter the folks that want everything -there is no point to class or species w/o some restrictions.

[Spellbound7]

Spoiler

Staying true to the OP there will be only 10 abilities per tree (passive, sustained and active). No upgrades at the moment.

 

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Mage:

 

For the Mage, I'm thinking of keeping them exactly the same as the current OP at the time of this post:

 

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Warrior:

 

New Trees:

 

Finesse:  The warrior's true strength comes from finesse, footwork and technique rather than raw physical power.

Spoiler

 

Precision (Active): For short time warrior's attacks will have a higher chance of landing critical hits.

 

Glance (Active): For brief duration, whenever enemies hit you, there is a small chance that they will land what is known as a glancing blow. These glancing blows will deal a lot less damage.

 

Kick (Active): This ability has no cooldown nor does it cost any stamina. Kick a foe at the right moment and you will knock down low level foes and stagger all other foes. If you time this badly, the enemy will attack your leg causing you to lose a bit of health.
In addition. A foe that is affected can take additional damage from your melee attacks.

 

Staggering Attacks (Sustained): This mode reserves a portion of the Warrior's stamina to increase the chances of all attacks staggering opponents.

 

 

Block and Parry (Sustained): This mode reserves a portion of the Warrior's stamina to increase the chances of automatically blocking and parrying in melee combat.

 

Nimble Fingers (Passive): The warriors movements are smaller in battle. Whilst this slows down the warriors attack speed, this passive increases the warrior's damage output.

 

Enduring Finesse (Passive): Increases the durations of Glance and Precision abilities, reduces their cool downs and stamina cost. + 3 Willpower on unlock

 

Reflexes (Passive): You'll be notified when the time is right to kick an opponent or use the parry ability. This doesn't change the fact that you have a less than one second window to use either ability.

 

Weapon Techniques (Passive): The warrior will add improved counter animations into their three melee combat styles (weapon & shield, 2 hand and dual wield).

 

Ranged Weapon Techniques (Passive): The warrior will sacrifice rate of speed for bows to increase range and damage output.

 

 

Calamity: The warrior is better at punishing foes with negative status affects.

Spoiler

 

Depletion Mode (Sustained): Every attack will deal less damage but will reduce the amount of stamina a foe has. (This doesn't work on mages manna pool).

 

Fatiguing Mode (Active): For a short time all attacks will slightly slow down a foe. This is the only ability in this tree that stacks with itself.

 

Smashing Mode (Active): During this mode the warrior will have a chance of lowering their foe's weapon damage output with regular attacks. This has a short duration.

 

Weakening Mode (Active): During this mode the warrior will have a chance of lowering their foe's damage resistance. This has a short duration.

 

Blinding Mode (Active): During this mode the warrior will have a chance of lowing foe's accuracy.

 

Ravaging Calamity (Passive): All of the calamity abilities will weaken foes even more.

 

Lingering Calamity (Passive): Any debuff delivered to an enemy from a calamity ability will last longer.

 

Stealth Exploit (Passive): All foes who are affected by calamity abilities will be more vulnerable to stealth based critical hits.

 

Magic Exploit (Passive): All foes who are affected by calamity abilities will be more vulnerable to magic based attacks. 

 

Knockdown Exploit (Passive): All foes who are affected by calamity abilities will be easier to knock down.

 

Channeling: The warrior uses extra stamina to enhance their regular attacks (much like the beserker). Channeling once again is more to do with technique over raw physical power.

Spoiler

 

Adrenaline Burst (Active): Your stamina rapidly depletes. Whilst this is active your regular attacks and weapon skills deal a lot more damage.

 

Channel Defence (Active): For a short time you take less damage from all sources but deal less damage as well. (Makes you a tank).

 

Channel Offence (Active): For a short time you deal a lot more damage but you take more damage from all sources. (Makes you a glass cannon).

 

Adrenaline Shot (Active): You can completely restore your stamina and reset all cool downs (except the one for this ability).

This ability has a 10 minute cool down.

 

Striker (Active): For brief period of time ignore barriers and guard to deal direct damage to health.

 

Against All Odds (Passive): When more than 4 foes are attacking you, you gain a damage bonus.

 

Last Offence (Passive): When health is below 30% you gain a damage bonus.

 

Body and Mind (Passive): Increases the duration of channel abilities.

 

Intense Training (Passive): Reduces stamina consumption of all channelling abilities.

 

Intense Channelling (Passive): Improves the effectiveness of channelling abilities. 

 

 

All other trees the same as OP.

 

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Rogue:

 

Weapon and Shield: Same talents as OP, however Rogue would be restricted to small shields and smaller 1 handed weapons. The Rogue will be faster and stealthier, but will lack the damage output and durability of the Warrior.

 

New Trees:

 

Fencing: Small precise movements, footwork, accuracy and finesse are the tricks of the trade. The rogue will use foils, sabres, rapiers and epees to deliver devastating blows.

Spoiler

 

Engarde (Sustained): Take an attack stance that guards your weapon arm and body. This is not the most offensive stance you can take. You will deal less damage but will have a much higher rate of parries and riposting.

 

Threaten (Sustained): Adopt an attack stance that sacrifices defence for greater offence. You won't be able to parry as much though.

 

Beat and Strike (Active): When the opponent is attacking, beat their weapon out the way before striking them. This is a guaranteed critical hit if your blade strikes.

 

Lunge (Active): The rogue will point the blade and step forward for a powerful attack. This will be a guaranteed critical hit if timed right. If timed poorly you'll take a lot of damage.

 

Circular Parry (Active): Tiny movements with the fingers will move the blade to the other side of the foe's weapon before hitting them where they're exposed.

 

Target the Arm (Active):  An excruciatingly painful jab to the opponent's arm will cause them to suffer permanent penalty to their damage output.

 

Path of the Epée (Passive): This is a point weapon. So there no cut type attacks. While you'll have a lower rate of successful hits, every successful hit will a lot of damage. This passive improves your damage output with the Epée.

 

Path of the Sabre (Passive): Sabres allow for cutting. Sabre users do not strike below the waist and concentrate on the upper body, arms and head. You'll gain a higher chance of hitting enemies but won't deal as much damage. With armoured opponents you'll be less effective. Mages and lightly armoured foes are vulnerable against this style. This passive improves your damage output with the Epée.

 

Path of the Foil (Passive): The foil is a more basic fencing weapon. It weighs less than the others and is faster. However it deals less damage too. However this weapon gains the best damage bonuses from stealth. This passive improves your damage output with Foils.

 

Path of the Rapier (Passive): This well balanced and well designed sword can cut, slice and thrust. It outclasses the other swords however this style of combat will be more stamina intensive. Even regular attacks will consume stamina. This passive improves your damage with rapiers.

 

 

Dirty Fighting: Low blows, feigning death, distracting lures, dummy attacks to open up foes to critical hits etc. The rogue will fight dishonourably to gain the upper hand.

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Feign Death (Active): Appear lying dead on the ground. When you spring out of this position for 2 seconds you gain a damage bonus.

 

Below The Belt (Active): Attack a foes legs reducing mobility. Male opponents be warned. Rogues will go straight for the midsection weakening foe's damage output and damage resistance.

 

Insult (Active): The rogue taunts a foe with an insult. This insult puts the foe into a rage. This rage greatly reduces their accuracy but also increases their damage output.

 

Dummy Attack (Active): The rogue will issue a dummy attack at an enemy. The enemy will of course try to counter this attack, but in doing so will open themselves up. For a brief 1 second window that foe will be very vulnerable to any attack. The entire party can exploit this situation.

 

Divert Attention (Active): Divert attention from the rogue to an ally of your choice. This ability will make all foes attack chosen ally instead. This is best used if there is a tank on the battlefield.

 

Armistice (Active): Draw enemy attention away from one party member to attack another party member.

 

Brand (Active): Brand a foe to be attacked by your allies. For a brief time all allies will have a higher critical chance against said foe.

 

Scourge (Passive): Increases damage output of a surprise attack from Feign Death and Below The Belt ability.

 

Tainted Weapons (Passive): All of the weapon talents are guaranteed to inflict bleed effect (with exception of spirits, abominations, golems and darkspawn). In addition there is a small chance that weapon talents can blind foes.

 

Ruin (Passive): Increases debuffs from Below The Belt, Insult and Dummy Attack.

 

 

 

Agility: This tree enables the rogue to rush from A to B very quickly. They can also rush into enemies (potentially knocking foes down). Agility also enables rogues to run without breaking out of stealth.

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Rush (Active): The rogue will rush attempting to knock down all nearby enemies. This requires a target.

 

Silent Dash (Active): The rogue will sprint a short distance. This can be done without interrupting stealth.

 

Back To Back (Active): The rogue will dash towards an ally ready to lend their aid.

 

Speed (Sustained): This mode boosts the rogue's speed. You cannot use this at the same time as precision and/or power.

 

Precision (Sustained): This mode boosts the rogue's accuracy and critical chance. You cannot use this at the same time as power and/or speed.

 

Power (Sustained): This mode boosts the rogue's damage output. You cannot use this at the same time as speed and/or precision.

 

Harmony (Passive): Improves all of the sustained abilities in the agility skill tree.

 

Athleticism (Passive): Improves all of the active abilities in the agility skill tree.

 

Additional Reserves (Passive): .The rogue has a second reserve of stamina should the main pool run out. The rogue also has an additional reserve of health. The two second reserves cannot be restored by stamina salves and health potions. They can only be restored by resting. Please note that the pools have: 150 HP and 100 SP.

 

All other trees the same as OP.

 

There a certainly some interesting skills there that could be implemented. that being said, I just updated the Mage tree with a v2 that collapses all weapon masteries into 1 tree.

 

UPDATE

 

• Mage Tree v2 added. Check out the half of the Mage card with inverted to look at it (Or click here). Tell me which version you prefer.
• Mages now have 10% damage penalty on all non-mage weapons. They can overcome this by learning Ken of the Ancients in Invocation (v2).
• All Mage weapons are weaker than non-Mage ones, but they confer a X% magic damage increase which would make spellcasting stronger.
• Lyrium Gauntlets are considered Weapon & Shield (Vambrace) despite being Mage weapons. To benefit from it's blocking capabilities, learn and activate Ken of the Ancients.
• Grimoires now have short attack cycles and slow attack speed and are 2-handed.

 

With Ken of the Ancients (and later on Secrets of the Ancients) from the Invocation tree, Mages are incredibly versatile. However, before you start shouting, "OP, OP!" keep in mind that it's a Sustained spell, which means a portion of the Mage's mana pool is being blocked off, which reduces his/her damaging potential with spells. 

 

Let me know which Mage tree version you prefer.

[Abraham_uk]

I'm loving the new trees.

Invocation is a nice way of letting mages use weapons, whilst still allowing warriors and rogues to have the lions share of the talents.

 

The simple fact of the matter is that you're not going to please everyone.

 

Some of us (myself included) would like mages to have the ability to use weapons. Just as an option.

Some of us don't want mages to be using weapons.

 

I think Invocation is the closest you're going to get to a compromise. Personally I like the tree. I also like the fact that now all 3 classes have 6 skill trees each.

As long as Warriors and Rogues are superior weapon users to Mages, then I have no problem with mages using weapons. It's a good option. I like it.

[Abraham_uk]

My review of all 15 regular skill trees. (I'll review the specialisations later since you've only posted one).

 

Mage: 

Spoiler

 

Why not start off with my favourite class? I love mages.

 

Primal: A powerful use of skills for area of damage dealing, added protection and ravaging foes who close in. Fire and ice abilities have been used to great affect. Sure some my mourn the loss of spells from previous games, but personally I welcome the new spells with open arms. You're keeping the nuking mage fresh and interesting (which I love).

 

Creation: I love the tree, though perhaps a new name is in order, since only the nature spells fit the "Creation mage". Okay criticism aside, I love the focus on crowd control in this tree. This reminds me of Dragon Age 2, where there was a tree for earth and lightning (though here it's nature and lightning). Good use of abilities to trap, ensnare, shock and paralyze foes whilst blinding foes with a sand storm only for them to land on an explosive glyph. Boom! I love it! Keep the spells but change the name would be my advice.

 

Evocation: I love my nuking spells. However I do want something other than dealing damage. Along comes Evocation. This has nice synergy with other mages (Mana stream) but also has some anti-magic spells like dispel and mana burn. It is also useful for any mage since you can regulate your mana better in combat. Well designed spells. Good thinking.

 

Invocation: Not everyone is going to like this tree. So for people in that camp, best avoid this tree like the plague. However for me this is perfect. Great buffs for your weapon fighting and a nice magical palm to the face! Awesome. Add some weapon enchanting into the mix and you have an interesting tree. I think this is far more interesting than Knight Enchanter and Arcane Warrior combined. Before you created a mage with warrior weapon trees, but now you have an actual battle mage. Good thinking.

 

Spirit: Some of the talents like stinging swarm better fit creation. That said this tree is awesome. It is a nice blend of healing, crowd control and buffing. Bring out your empowered weapons, send out a swarm and heal the party, dance around the battlefield, summon a companion and then send out a comet just for fun. You're onto a winner. But like the creation tree, perhaps this tree needs renaming. I'm not a lore expert though. Again awesome ideas!

 

Entropy: Wow. This is the debuffing madness that I've come to expect from the tree. Those icons really make the mage look frightening more than those of any other tree. Drain health from foes, rot their minds, lower foes magic resistance and buff you and your allies at the same time. Entropy is all about chaos in a closed system. Well if that is the case, then your enemies were fools to pick a fight with a mage. Great stuff.

 

Mage as a Whole: Great versatility. Lovely icons and interesting spells. You can be pretty much any kind of mage you want to be and that's without taking into account specialisations. I'm interested what you have in mind for Knight Enchanter since in DAI that was a "Battlemage" type specialisation. Doesn't invocation make it redundant or are you focusing on a buffing defensive mage instead for that specialisaiton?

 

 

 

Warrior: 

Spoiler

 

Archery: Archery is fun. I love the ideas for area of effect shots. Leaping volley and scatter shots allow you to hit multiple targets much like an AoE destruction mage. All good stuff. There is sundering shot that weakens foes and a heart breaker that looks like it's going to hurt. A lot! I like it.

 

Dual Wield: Nice tree. It looks like this is going to be a fast paced hack and slash tree that will shred enemies to pieces. My favourite talent (this will come as no surprise) is Parry. I love anything that resembles real life combat, since parrying and riposting is what one (at least attempts) to do in combat. I love the reference to off hand in the master duellist tree, since in real life dual wielders had an off hand that was used like a shield. The flashy moves such as lacerate and twin fangs look like a lot of fun too. Good stuff.

 

2 Hand: This is full on fantasy combat with complete disregard for realism. Is that a good thing? Yes. Sure this lacks realism, but the joy of 2 Hand in games are those big impractical swings and huge sundering attacks. Clobbering and cleaving your way though enemies. This is what made this style fun in Dragon Age 2. There is no shortage of flashy over the top moves. AoE and knockdown along with the ability to stun foes. I love it!

 

Weapon and Shield: When I used to do medieval renactment, I loved weapon and shield. The shield gives you that added protection that increases the length of fights. Small movements are all you need to block oncoming weapons. Shields are also really useful against arrows. My favourite scene in 300 is the scene where the Spartans hide behind their shields when a volley of arrows blots out the sun. Your tree is a nice combination of protection against arrows and spells whilst also bashing foes with the shield. You love that shield a lot, since all 10 of the moves involves transforming the warrior into a damage absorbing tank. Could use a few more 1 handed moves, such as assail and assault from previous Dragon Age games. Otherwise great tree! Finally someone actually loves shields! Kudos!

 

Battlemaster: Battlemaster and Vanguards are (let's face it) whatever the developers decide they are. One minute they're offensive, the next they're defensive. You have decided that the Battlemaster is a champion of sorts who rallies their allies to deal extra damage whilst also using chains and throwing axes to tear enemies apart. Coup de Grace, Fervor and Deep Reserves make the warrior incredibly powerful. It's a pick and mix of amazing abilities. All of these abilities look like must have on any warrior build even if that means missing out weapon talents.

 

Vanguard: This vanguard doesn't charge into enemies and fling foes aside. Well this is a defensive vanguard who takes a lot of damage and outlasts foes whilst also drawing attention. Foes who hit you will take damage and you'll have better defences. So good stuff there. Then you taunt the enemies causing them to flood towards you whilst you hold your ground. If enemies are still ignoring your repeated yells as they continue to target your rogues and mages, rush towards them with a Furious Charge! How dare the enemy ignore you! You're the centre of attention. You're the vanguard! Most of all you're awesome! I love this tree.

 

Thoughts on the Warrior: Brilliant mix of offensive and defensive combat. The weapon trees are very good, but it's ultimately the vanguard and battlemaster that make this class amazing! I love it! 

 

 

 

Rogue:

Spoiler

 

Weapon Trees: Exactly the same as the Warrior. See Warrior.

 

Subtefuge: Nice use of agility, stealth and critical hits. Add to this an exploding decoy, evasion and rushing to your ally for backup and you have a very useful friend indeed. You're not just a stealthy rogue. You're a hunter, strider, gentleman!

 

Alchemy: Spew venom in every strike. Throw venom from afar and unleash toxins and miasma to groups of enemies. Sunder, paralysis and debilitation are your tools of the trade. I particularly love the chemical warfare passive that allows you to carry more tonics and grenades whilst improving some of your deadliest concoctions!

 

Artificer: Magic and engineering combined. A lantern that makes you teleport, an experimental dwarven cannon, traps for bleeding and corrosion, a bit of healing, a magical turret that absorbs spells and throws out projectiles, an immobilising bolas and an enchanted crossbow turret. I don't know why this got so much flack on page 1. These are some really clever ideas.

 

Thoughts on the rogue: The weapon trees are good but it's the alchemy, subtefuge and artificer trees that make this class shine. I've always felt the rogue needed more oomph! You've delivered this in style and substance!

 

[b10d1v]

In game there's no reason why someone can't pick up any sort of weapon and over time become an expert in its use but gameplay wise I would restrict the types of weapons that are most effective for a class. 

Warriors-crossbows slower than bows but always hard hitting.

Rogue- dirk and buckler size sword/shield combo to maintain agility.

Mage- two handed staff weapons like halberds, a standard mage weapon with a usable melee bit*.

 

*To become really effective in melee I would ditch the spirit blade part of the KE specialisation and have part of the tree focus on offence/defence weapon use, stances, parries that sort of thing. 

I would argue that point, remember DA2 the brother that couldn't hold his sword -He wanted it, but did not have the physique to use it.  Immersion tries to keep with some degree of logic.  Some of the others you list are simply limitations of the current modeling w/in DAI.

[Spellbound7]

My review of all 15 regular skill trees. (I'll review the specialisations later since you've only posted one).

 

Mage: 

Spoiler

 

Why not start off with my favourite class? I love mages.

 

Primal: A powerful use of skills for area of damage dealing, added protection and ravaging foes who close in. Fire and ice abilities have been used to great affect. Sure some my mourn the loss of spells from previous games, but personally I welcome the new spells with open arms. You're keeping the nuking mage fresh and interesting (which I love).

 

Creation: I love the tree, though perhaps a new name is in order, since only the nature spells fit the "Creation mage". Okay criticism aside, I love the focus on crowd control in this tree. This reminds me of Dragon Age 2, where there was a tree for earth and lightning (though here it's nature and lightning). Good use of abilities to trap, ensnare, shock and paralyze foes whilst blinding foes with a sand storm only for them to land on an explosive glyph. Boom! I love it! Keep the spells but change the name would be my advice.

 

Evocation: I love my nuking spells. However I do want something other than dealing damage. Along comes Evocation. This has nice synergy with other mages (Mana stream) but also has some anti-magic spells like dispel and mana burn. It is also useful for any mage since you can regulate your mana better in combat. Well designed spells. Good thinking.

 

Invocation: Not everyone is going to like this tree. So for people in that camp, best avoid this tree like the plague. However for me this is perfect. Great buffs for your weapon fighting and a nice magical palm to the face! Awesome. Add some weapon enchanting into the mix and you have an interesting tree. I think this is far more interesting than Knight Enchanter and Arcane Warrior combined. Before you created a mage with warrior weapon trees, but now you have an actual battle mage. Good thinking.

 

Spirit: Some of the talents like stinging swarm better fit creation. That said this tree is awesome. It is a nice blend of healing, crowd control and buffing. Bring out your empowered weapons, send out a swarm and heal the party, dance around the battlefield, summon a companion and then send out a comet just for fun. You're onto a winner. But like the creation tree, perhaps this tree needs renaming. I'm not a lore expert though. Again awesome ideas!

 

Entropy: Wow. This is the debuffing madness that I've come to expect from the tree. Those icons really make the mage look frightening more than those of any other tree. Drain health from foes, rot their minds, lower foes magic resistance and buff you and your allies at the same time. Entropy is all about chaos in a closed system. Well if that is the case, then your enemies were fools to pick a fight with a mage. Great stuff.

 

Mage as a Whole: Great versatility. Lovely icons and interesting spells. You can be pretty much any kind of mage you want to be and that's without taking into account specialisations. I'm interested what you have in mind for Knight Enchanter since in DAI that was a "Battlemage" type specialisation. Doesn't invocation make it redundant or are you focusing on a buffing defensive mage instead for that specialisaiton?

 

 

 

Warrior: 

Spoiler

 

Archery: Archery is fun. I love the ideas for area of effect shots. Leaping volley and scatter shots allow you to hit multiple targets much like an AoE destruction mage. All good stuff. There is sundering shot that weakens foes and a heart breaker that looks like it's going to hurt. A lot! I like it.

 

Dual Wield: Nice tree. It looks like this is going to be a fast paced hack and slash tree that will shred enemies to pieces. My favourite talent (this will come as no surprise) is Parry. I love anything that resembles real life combat, since parrying and riposting is what one (at least attempts) to do in combat. I love the reference to off hand in the master duellist tree, since in real life dual wielders had an off hand that was used like a shield. The flashy moves such as lacerate and twin fangs look like a lot of fun too. Good stuff.

 

2 Hand: This is full on fantasy combat with complete disregard for realism. Is that a good thing? Yes. Sure this lacks realism, but the joy of 2 Hand in games are those big impractical swings and huge sundering attacks. Clobbering and cleaving your way though enemies. This is what made this style fun in Dragon Age 2. There is no shortage of flashy over the top moves. AoE and knockdown along with the ability to stun foes. I love it!

 

Weapon and Shield: When I used to do medieval renactment, I loved weapon and shield. The shield gives you that added protection that increases the length of fights. Small movements are all you need to block oncoming weapons. Shields are also really useful against arrows. My favourite scene in 300 is the scene where the Spartans hide behind their shields when a volley of arrows blots out the sun. Your tree is a nice combination of protection against arrows and spells whilst also bashing foes with the shield. You love that shield a lot, since all 10 of the moves involves transforming the warrior into a damage absorbing tank. Could use a few more 1 handed moves, such as assail and assault from previous Dragon Age games. Otherwise great tree! Finally someone actually loves shields! Kudos!

 

Battlemaster: Battlemaster and Vanguards are (let's face it) whatever the developers decide they are. One minute they're offensive, the next they're defensive. You have decided that the Battlemaster is a champion of sorts who rallies their allies to deal extra damage whilst also using chains and throwing axes to tear enemies apart. Coup de Grace, Fervor and Deep Reserves make the warrior incredibly powerful. It's a pick and mix of amazing abilities. All of these abilities look like must have on any warrior build even if that means missing out weapon talents.

 

Vanguard: This vanguard doesn't charge into enemies and fling foes aside. Well this is a defensive vanguard who takes a lot of damage and outlasts foes whilst also drawing attention. Foes who hit you will take damage and you'll have better defences. So good stuff there. Then you taunt the enemies causing them to flood towards you whilst you hold your ground. If enemies are still ignoring your repeated yells as they continue to target your rogues and mages, rush towards them with a Furious Charge! How dare the enemy ignore you! You're the centre of attention. You're the vanguard! Most of all you're awesome! I love this tree.

 

Thoughts on the Warrior: Brilliant mix of offensive and defensive combat. The weapon trees are very good, but it's ultimately the vanguard and battlemaster that make this class amazing! I love it! 

 

 

 

Rogue:

Spoiler

 

Weapon Trees: Exactly the same as the Warrior. See Warrior.

 

Subtefuge: Nice use of agility, stealth and critical hits. Add to this an exploding decoy, evasion and rushing to your ally for backup and you have a very useful friend indeed. You're not just a stealthy rogue. You're a hunter, strider, gentleman!

 

Alchemy: Spew venom in every strike. Throw venom from afar and unleash toxins and miasma to groups of enemies. Sunder, paralysis and debilitation are your tools of the trade. I particularly love the chemical warfare passive that allows you to carry more tonics and grenades whilst improving some of your deadliest concoctions!

 

Artificer: Magic and engineering combined. A lantern that makes you teleport, an experimental dwarven cannon, traps for bleeding and corrosion, a bit of healing, a magical turret that absorbs spells and throws out projectiles, an immobilising bolas and an enchanted crossbow turret. I don't know why this got so much flack on page 1. These are some really clever ideas.

 

Thoughts on the rogue: The weapon trees are good but it's the alchemy, subtefuge and artificer trees that make this class shine. I've always felt the rogue needed more oomph! You've delivered this in style and substance!

 

 

A review! Thanks

 

You should probably hold off on the specialisations since I have a couple of em lined up.

 

As far as the Creation tree goes, I tried to explain away the presence of lightning by likening it to 'soft' transmutation, ie, manipulate the enviroment to create a propoer pathway that can conduct an electric current. In fact, the Creation tree itself feels like transmuation. In DA:O you could use it to heal, create greasy substance on the ground, draw magical glyphs, and create insect swarms.... what can't it do? My approach was to be a bit more unified in theme by making it a tree where you basically create rudimentary stuff. I could eventually move insect swarm back in there, we'll see.

 

As for Spirit, well, my version is a combination of spirit summoner, and spirit healer, thus the healing spells.

[Abraham_uk]

Damn it BioWare. I can't like your post. Spellbound. Oh well. You gave a good explanation as to why the creation tree allows for lightning.

 

I'm going to look into ways of changing up the warrior and rogue skill trees. So I'm holding off specialisations for the time being.

So in a future post I am going to change things up a bit for Weapon & Shield, Dual Wield and Archery.

 

The reason being is that in Dragon Age Origins people complained that the Warrior and Rogue were too similar. What a lot of people did was focus on the weapon talents and ignore class specific talents. Granted the class specific talents were vastly different, the fact of the matter is that  people wanted there to be a difference in the weapon talents since that is how they played the game.

 

What I have in mind.

 

Warrior:

 

Weapon & Shield: Much the same with the shield being the main weapon. The focus is on the shield being used defensively and offensively. (Same as your suggestions).

Dual Wield: The focus is on the big flashy movements (so the same as what you've suggested).

Crossbow: I'm thinking of giving the Warrior a crossbow. This is slower but has greater knockback potential. The crossbow is limited in range but when it hits a target it can be very powerful. The crossbow will have special bolt types like explosive bolts, armour piercing bolts and shattering bolts.

 

Rogue:

 

Blade & Buckler: This is going to be like my fencing tree. So the focus is on the blade and fencing techniques. The buckler is there to block from time to time, but there is a higher focus on parrying.

 

Duellist: This is more about stealth and technique. There are less flashy moves as I feel that this better suits the blood thirsty in the thick of combat type warrior. Judging by your alchemy, subterfuge and artificer talents, I'm thinking of a weapon style that better suits that style of combat.

 

Archery: Same as you suggested.

 

I will have some more details on this soon. However I think both classes having vastly different talents for similar weapon trees could be helpful to gamers who exclusively use weapon trees (avoiding Vanguard, Battlemaster, Artificer, Sabotage and Subtefuge trees).

[Duelist]

Thought I'd take a stab at my own take on a Rogue specific version of the Dual Wield tree albeit only using daggers.

Certain skills like Twin Fangs, Deathblow and Flank Attack as well as their upgrades will remain the same as the ones that already exist so I won't be including them.
In additions, the passives Dance of Death and Sneak Attack will also remain the same.

• Defang The Snake (Passive): Not every strike needs to finish the fight. Every critical hit landed inhibits the enemy's ability to fight back by reducing the amount of damage they inflict with each strike by 5%. The effect stacks.
• Easy Prey (Passive): Few rogues like a fair fight. For every 1% of health any enemy is missing, the likelihood of landing a critical hit on them increases.
• Flicker (Active, AoE): You become a blur, striking up to four enemies in a small radius. Every strike is a critical hit.
  - Leave A Mark (Upgrade): Any enemy hit by Flicker takes more 15% damage as a result.

And one for my favourite spec: the Assassin. For the most part, it will remain the same save for a few new passives and the removal of Hidden Blades (a talent which I actually love) and Gaps In The Armour.

• Ideal Target (Passive): A skilled Assassin demands everyone present be attentive. Enemies who aren't paying attention suffer an extra 50% from critical hits.
• Assassinate (Active, Single Target): One shot, one kill is the oft repeated mantra for every Assassin. With a single strike, the Assassin can eliminate most foes outright while survivors suffer a massive critical hit.
  - Perfect Kill (Upgrade): To simply kill a foe isn't enough if one isn't quick enough to get away. When striking from Stealth, the Assassin hits twice as hard and remain stealthed if the attack kills their enemy.
• Precision (Active, Personal): Even without the safety of the shadows the Assassin is still a dangerous adversary, especially with time to study their target.
  The likelihood of landing a critical hit increases by 10% every second for 10 seconds.
  - Make It Count (Upgrade): While active, critical damage increases by 2% every second.
• Quick And Clean (Passive): Efficiency is the name of the game for every Assassin. The first attack from Stealth inflicts 15% more damage against an enemy who has yet to take damage while ignoring 50% of their armour.

As you can see, my attempt at adding to the Assassin tree is all about hitting an enemy as hard as possible and then getting back to Stealth.

So that's my worthless contribution to an entirely pointless thread that I nonetheless enjoy a lot. Peace.

[Spellbound7]

I'll see about implementing those. I don't actually plan on touching the Assassin class, but if you think it needs a couple of changes, I don't mind making em.

[Duelist]

I'll see about implementing those. I don't actually plan on touching the Assassin class, but if you think it needs a couple of changes, I don't mind making em.

I forget you're not much for rogues lol.

Personally, I'd rather see your own take on it but if you've no intention of touching it that's cool.
I'm content with the Assassin spec that exists already although I do miss the godly version of it that Rogue Hawke had.

[Spellbound7]

I have half a mind to replace the Tempest, to be honest (perhaps only thematically). I'm not entirely sure where in the lore Tempests come from, but it almost feels as though that class was just thrown in for the cool factor alone. Some of those skills sound great, though, so I guess we'll see

[Spellbound7]

UPDATE

 

• BLOOD MAGIC IS BACK! Check OP for details.
• Rift Mage specialisation updated. Check OP for details.
• Knight Enchanter removed since it's made redundant with Invocation. Some of it's talents may find their way back to other skill trees eventually.
• Updated thumbnail images for the Mage skill trees with Dragon Age: Inquisition ones.

[Abraham_uk]

 

UPDATE

 

• BLOOD MAGIC IS BACK! Check OP for details.
• Rift Mage specialisation updated. Check OP for details.
• Knight Enchanter removed since it's made redundant with Invocation. Some of it's talents may find their way back to other skill trees eventually.
• Updated thumbnail images for the Mage skill trees with Dragon Age: Inquisition ones.

 

 

Looking good.

Detail reviews up and coming.

[Megakoresh]

Look you can say what you want about Inquisition's combat, but I will tell you this: of all the things it did: it did one thing right and better than the previous games - health. Health is JUST right. Having a lot of HP on allies and enemies makes gameplay grindy, annoying and tedious. Having low health, but active ways to avoid damage like dodge, shield, guard or barrier is much more fun.

 

If anything, health should be DEcreased, especially on higher levels and damage output increased for allies, to put more emphasis on CC and dodging, as by that point there are so many ways to actually mitigate damage, that having base health be able to tank it makes little sense. Although to be honest, it's a matter or level and difficulty setting. Past 16, there is little that can hurt you. Before that, there is plenty that can kill you with you not being able to do jackshit about it.

[b10d1v]

I would also add that weapon and shield is a very protective move but far slower than a rogue's roll, inertia is a big factor here.  Dual handed is very heavy and carries a lot of inertia or angular momentum, so if they do hit you its a bad day!

[Bioware-Critic]

 OP wrote in his first posting

 

 

*snip*

 

"Thoughts?"

 

@OP

 

I totally love it!

 

Of course everyone would have done certain things differently but I would take your system and most certainly your approach over BioWare current one any time! What I will do is ... I will put this in my signature! Just like you did. So that more people will find your threads to support you.

 

 

KUDOS!

[Spellbound7]

Look you can say what you want about Inquisition's combat, but I will tell you this: of all the things it did: it did one thing right and better than the previous games - health. Health is JUST right. Having a lot of HP on allies and enemies makes gameplay grindy, annoying and tedious. Having low health, but active ways to avoid damage like dodge, shield, guard or barrier is much more fun.

 

If anything, health should be DEcreased, especially on higher levels and damage output increased for allies, to put more emphasis on CC and dodging, as by that point there are so many ways to actually mitigate damage, that having base health be able to tank it makes little sense. Although to be honest, it's a matter or level and difficulty setting. Past 16, there is little that can hurt you. Before that, there is plenty that can kill you with you not being able to do jackshit about it.

 

I see what you mean, but the current state of combat is such that by late game, you are invincible. You just stack on Guard and spam Barrier and that's basically it. Increasing health is kinda traditional, but imo it would be better than what is currently available. Maybe something like PoE's Endurance system would be better, but I've not played it so can't tell if it's good or not.

 

Decreasing health makes healing pointless since you won't want your Guard or Barrier to deplete to the point where you would just die outright. I know that makes it realistic, but at the same time, I want healing back into the game (mostly because is consistent with the lore). The more I think about it, the more PoE's Endurance system seems like it would work great here.

 

 

 

 

 

@OP

 

I totally love it!

 

Of course everyone would have done certain things differently but I would take your system and most certainly your approach over BioWare current one any time! What I will do is ... I will put this in my signature! Just like you did. So that more people will find your threads to support you.

 

 

KUDOS!

 

 

Thank you!

[Masseffectjunkie]

I haven't read all the posts , but I think mages should get the spirit healer tree, and drop the rift mage. If you want a rift mage you can use solas there isn't a reason for the inquisitor to have the same tree as one of his followers. I'm guessing the same should go for warrior and rogue trees. Also why not have the shape shifting tree back?

[Spellbound7]

I haven't read all the posts , but I think mages should get the spirit healer tree, and drop the rift mage. If you want a rift mage you can use solas there isn't a reason for the inquisitor to have the same tree as one of his followers. I'm guessing the same should go for warrior and rogue trees. Also why not have the shape shifting tree back?

 

I made the Spirit tree to contain the spirit healer spec inside it. Otherwise healing should have been in Creation, which I decided to use as some form of offense-oriented transmutation. As for the Shapeshifter... I personally never used it in DA:O, so it's not something that generally comes to mind. It would be interesting to make one, but then again, I have no plans on having more that 3 specs (I'm not dropping Necromancer and Rift Mage). Perhaps eventually.

 

One thing I would like to know about Shapeshifters, though, is whether they can still cast spells in animal form?

[Masseffectjunkie]

No shape shifters couldn't they got a separate bar of abilities and it was kind of useless in da o but they could definitely fix it up and make it worth while. I don't understand not wanting to drop necro and rift mage seeing as you already have access to those trees with other party members. Doesn't it bother you that your inquisitor is not unique at all and basically only useful in sealing rifts?

[Spellbound7]

It's more a question of practicality than anything (since they already exist and aren't bad specs), but you make a good point. I'll consider changing them.

[Abraham_uk]

Okay here is my stab at class specific versions of the weapon trees.

 

Warrior: 

Spoiler

Weapon & Shield, Dual Wield and 2 Hand no changes. I feel the wild and frenzied approach works well with the fantasy OTT style you're going for. I love all the talents and wouldn't change a thing.

 

Warrior: Crossbow: I am thinking of ways to differentiate the Warrior from the Rogue. The crossbow is slower than the rogue's counterpart and deals less damage. However the Warrior has the edge by adding various debilitations and knock down effects. In addition the warrior has a secondary fire module to spice things up. 

Spoiler

 

Interruption [Passive]: Every time you hit a mage trying to cast a spell you interrupt their spell casting. Interruption passive has a chance to stagger a foe.

 

Aim [Passive]: This increases the range and accuracy of crossbows.

 

Improved Engineering [Passive]: Due to faults in the design of crossbows, they have huge kickback and often miss their target when fired rapidly. This passive helps fix those issues, greatly reducing recoil.

 

Armour Ravaging [Sustained]: This slows down rate of fire, but every shot slightly reduces armour rating and all defences. There is a limit to how much you can debuff a target's resistance through repeated crossbow hits (for balancing reasons).

 

Armour Piercing Bolt [Active]: A bolt that completely ignores armour rating dealing 100% of a shot's potential damage. This shot has a higher chance of landing a critical hit.

 

Triple Threat [Active]: Fire three bolts in a row. The first bolt applies a bleeding status effect (useless on foes who can't bleed), the second bolt applies a temporary blindness effect (reducing a foe's accuracy) and third applies a slowing effect (slowing down the target). Please note that if you haven't selected Aim and Improved engineering there is a good chance that only the first of 3 bolts hits the target.

 

Double Trouble [Active]: Fire two bolts in a row. The first bolt lowers the foe's defences against physical attacks and the second lowers the foes damage output. Please note that if you haven't selected Aim and Improved engineering there is a good chance that only the first of 2 bolts hits the target.

 

Knock Back Bolt [Active]: Fire a bolt that knocks a foe down (or staggers a foe who passes a resistance check). 1 second later the bolt will explode. If you miss the target you can still benefit from the explosion that is sure to damage nearby foes.

 

Attrition Strike [Active]: This attack to begin with this attack deals regular crossbow damage, but fret not. Every time you use Attrition Strike, you make the foe more vulnerable to this specific attack. Every Attrition Strike deals 2% more damage than the previous one. There is a cap to the amount this ability stacks.

 

Secondary Fire [Active]: Each crossbow is unique. It has its own secondary fire module. Some fire nets to trap foes. Some fire explosives. Some fire flasks. This ability doesn't consume stamina but instead consumes secondary fire ammunition. So use this ability sparingly.

 

 

 

 

Rogue: 

Spoiler

I want the focus to be more on technique, smaller precise movements and footwork. Also kudos to Duellist 76. I'll be using all 3 of their suggestions for this post.

 

Archery: Exactly the same. The opening post had excellent ideas. I love it!

 

Duellist: Duellist fighting style is about grace, technique and finesse. That said, there is a bit of dirty fighting thrown into the mix. Kudos to Duellist 76. I'll be using all 3 of their suggestions for this post.

Spoiler

 

Defang The Snake (Passive): Not every strike needs to finish the fight. Every critical hit landed inhibits the enemy's ability to fight back by reducing the amount of damage they inflict with each strike by 5%. The effect stacks.

 

Easy Prey (Passive): Few rogues like a fair fight. For every 1% of health any enemy is missing, the likelihood of landing a critical hit on them increases.

 

Dual Blocking (Active): This is a block button for the rogue. If done with good timing, you can deflect an attack right back at the opponent. The opponent will also have 10% of the potential damage deflected back at them. With poor timing the block isn't very effective.

 

Flicker (Active, AoE): You become a blur, striking up to four enemies in a small radius. Every strike is a critical hit.  Any enemy hit by Flicker takes more 15% damage as a result.

 

Low Blow (Active): Stun a foe with a kick below the belt. The foe will drop their guard and make themselves vulnerable to a critical hit.

 

Dummy Hit (Active): Trick the foe into attempting a parry before beating their weapon away. If you attack immediately afterwards you will deal extra damage. This must be timed to be effective. Also there is a chance that the enemy won't fall for this trick.

 

Cut and Thrust (Active): Cut through enemy defences and then stab the enemy with the other blade. This must be timed to be effective.

 

Rush (Active): Rush into foes with a chance of knocking down or staggering them in an area of effect.

 

Dual Cut (Active): Small movements provide two speedy artistic cuts that do not compromise the rogue's defence.

 

Dual Thrust (Active): Two small jabs with the knives have a chance of inflicting bleeding, stun and a lowering of the foe's defences.

 

 

Blade and Buckler: This is the fencing tree. Whilst you can perform these moves without using a buckler, you miss out on 4 of the talents. 

Spoiler

 

 

 

Engarde [Passive]: This makes you ready to fence. Take a stance that protects your weapon arm whilst preparing you to deal some damage with the blade. The stance increases damage, chance to parry, chance to riposte, evasion and speed.

 

Beat and Strike (Active): When the opponent is attacking, beat their weapon out the way before striking them. This is a guaranteed critical hit if your blade strikes.

Lunge (Active): The rogue will point the blade and step forward for a powerful attack. This will be a guaranteed critical hit if timed right. If timed poorly you'll take a lot of damage.

Circular Parry (Active): Tiny movements with the fingers will move the blade to the other side of the foe's weapon before hitting them where they're exposed.

Target the Arm (Active):  An excruciatingly painful jab to the opponent's arm will cause them to suffer permanent penalty to their damage output.

 

 

 

Buckle The Blade [Passive]: Sometimes the enemy is able to get past your blade. The buckler has a chance of knocking the weapon away. This passive also increases the damage output of the buckler (which can be used as a weapon too).

 

Buckler Dash [Active]: A quick graceful dash towards a target with the buckler ready to block oncoming attacks.

 

Buckler Block [Active]: A well timed block can deflect an oncoming melee attack.

 

Buckler Jab [Active]: Hit an opponent with the buckler. This deals some damage.

 

Buckler Stifle [Active]: This attack will lower opponents defence against blade and buckler attacks.

 

 

 

 

 

Finally. You said that the Knight Enchanter wasn't doable since you have Invocation. In addition I was going to consider healing spells but I think the Spirit tree has those covered. I reckon I have a way around that without altering your mage skill trees. That's right. The Knight Enchanter doesn't have the weapon damage or the healing prowess of the Knight Enchanter from DAI. Just bare with me.

 

 

 

Knight Enchanter: The word Knight is associated with protection and the word Enchanter is associated with magic. The Knight Enchanter is a specialist mage who uses spells to protect and defend the party against on coming damage. The name of the game is damage mitigation here.

 

Spoiler

Life Ward [Passive]: This ward will automatically remove a negative status effect on all party members every 10 seconds.

 

Spell Absorption [Passive]: Hostile spells deal 30% less damage to the Knight Enchanter. In addition every time the hostile spell hits the Knight Enchanter some manna is restored.

 

Deflection [Sustained]: For entire party there is a 20% chance that hostile spells will be deflected back at casters and a 20% chance that arrows and other physical projectiles will be deflected back at attackers. In addition there will be a 40% chance of deflecting physical blows at attackers. Deflected attacks only deal 10% of their potential damage.

 

Arcane Transfer [Active]: Sacrifice some of your manna to restore manna and stamina to entire party.

 

Arcane Sphere [Active]: Set up a 5m radius sphere that increases the speed, damage output and damage resistance of everyone within. This is a risky move since everyone friend and foe alike can benefit from this sphere.

 

Wall of Cover [Active]: Set up a piece of cover. This wall will also damage foes who close in.

 

Fatiguing Fog [Active]: Send out a cloud that reduces the speed, amount of stamina/manna available and damage resistance of everyone within (friend or foe). The debuffs only applies to those within the fog.

 

Shower of Light [Active]: A shower light based projectiles that reduces the accuracy, critical chance and damage output of everyone within (friend or foe).

 

 

So what do you think?

[Abraham_uk]

Review of 3 of the specialisations:

 

I will be posting specialisation suggestions of my own once the OP has finished theirs.

 

 

Blood Mage: The ravenous feast of blood has finally returned to the world of Thedas. Haemorrhaging and dominating foes, whilst snaring them into a glyph and then leaching their bodies afterwards. The cruel malice of the Blood Mage is just terrifying. I love the abilities. This is is amazing. Well done!

 

Rift Mage: Unleash the rag dolling machine that is the Rift Mage, pulling and flinging foes transforming the battlefield into a play field! A nice blend of crowd control and debuffing effects. There are also interesting passives that will increase damage and mana regeneration. All well crafted.

 

Ranger: Using stealth, tracking and animal training the ranger is a cunning and resourceful hunter. The hound and eagle make great companions, but it ultimately the team work between ranger and hound that makes this tree a delight. Which party members should you pick? Doesn't matter. Your stealth, ambushes, flanks, blade wheels and instincts will take care of all foes. The other party members role is to watch and applaud.

[Spellbound7]

Those are some great ideas. I'm a little busy (work, ugh) so I can't guarantee I'll be able to implement them, but I'll see what I can do on Saturday and Sunday. Concerning the Knight Enchanter, it's a nice update, but it's missing what makes the class iconic (the spirit blade). I have plans for new specs, so stay tuned.

[eyezonlyii]

How about a new tree? Introducing...the Knight Tracker

 

"To many, those who hunt mages are the warriors of the Templar Order. The simple Truth is, someone has got to point them in the right direction. Knight Trackers are rogues trained in the takedown of malificarum and apostates alike. 

 

 

 

Skills:

Maker's Breath-Sustained. Tracker moves 50% faster, but basic attacks cost 2 stamina and talents cost 20% more

   Maker's Sigh (Upgrade)- Basic Attacks cost no stamina

 

Punched by the Maker-Activated. Single target version of Templar's Holy Smite

   Maker Preserve You (upgrade)- More effective against fade creatures and mages. Causes STUNNED on those enemy types, and knockdown on everyone else

 

Chant of Light- Active, no Cost. The Tracker recites the Chant, rallying allies and granting an increase to mana/stamina regeneration. Causes MOVE SLOW and ATTACK SLOW on caster

   Remember Your Verse (Upgrade) MOVE SLOW penalty removed

 

Holy Precision-Active. Grants random critical hit chain from 4-8 seconds

 

Judgment Strike-Activated. Breaks Holy Precision Chain, dealing 100% damage multiplied by the number of seconds Holy Precision was active

 

The Order Dictates-Activated. For 10 seconds, Cross Class Combos the Tracker is part of are 30% more effective.

   If I Must (Upgrade)- Cross Class Combos Party wide are 15% more effective.

 

PASSIVES

Andraste Guide Me- If the Tracker falls in battle, party health is restored by (100/party members still standing)%. Available every 60 seconds

 

Annulment- Gain 30% immunity to hostile magic

 

Speak Only the Light- Basic attacks have a chance to SILENCE enemies for seconds

 

Vigilant Hunter- The Tracker's training has granted insight into enemy tactics. Tracker takes 90% damage from basic strikes and critical hits are reduced 25%