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[DrascatonisFade3K]

Barrage is terrible.

All you need is chain lightning upgraded for damage with 1 chain light ring, 1 static cage ring, 15% cooldown amulet, rest is up to you. With all the cooldown passives you can pretty much spam barrier/chain lightning and use static cage when you need it.

Barrage is just worthless imho. Chain lightning with the ring hits harder anyway. The cooldown for chain light is also pretty short. If your spamming that and barrier with static cage, you don't have mana for ANYTHING else anyway.

I basically only use chain light, barrier, static cage, with all the passives, its kind of boring but its the most effective build for keeper. Disruption field is pretty useless in a decent group anyway. The skill is good but not as good as static cage.

Chain lightning - barrier - static cage / rest all passives. No 4th skill.  (chain light/barrier/static all upgraded).

Chain light ring / static cage ring / 15% cd ammy / - and whatever else.

I've experimented with veilstrike and mana passive on weakened enemies but meh, its really not necessary, especially if somebody in your group is weakening enemies you can just take the mana regain passive when attacking weakened enemies.

Energy barrage IS terrible... for you.

Don't use energy barrage if you don't want to panic or produce nightmare combo's or put the RTC to sleep. Chain lightning does none of those things. With the fury of the veil staff things get really interesting. I've outscored and outkilled many on perilous while still maintaining barrier all the time. The 12 shots make it proc actually quite often. I have chain lightning too in my build but it doesn't kill anything IMO. The mana regain passive on weakened enemies will make barrage mana affordable and justify its use. No 4th skill, LOL good one... There are many different ways to play keeper. As long as you are keeping barrier on the one who is grabbing aggro, you've done your job. I'm not saying your 3 powers playstyle is not effective, but you can be effective all sorts of ways with the keeper. To think otherwise limits your options and make the game dull and repetitive. 

[Drasca]

put the RTC to sleep. Chain lightning does none of those things.

 

To be accurate, CL does help with the Sleep combo due to producing the shocked portion of it. Attacking under Static Cage, Casting during attack with Static Charge, and an Electric Staff's Slam (8th basic attack), do too.

 

EB does produce a nasty NM combo, but is single target, so really only good against RTC, Red Knights, Brutes, and the occasional Horror, wasted on everything else (since they'll be killed before your projectiles even hit).

 

 

I'm not saying your 3 powers playstyle is not effective

 

I am! CL only keepers suck. That's the very face of noob keeper. Oh, and the noob might barrier... their own character, once after the battle ends-- or as they enter the fade.

[DrascatonisFade3K]

To be accurate, CL does help with the Sleep combo due to producing the shocked portion of it. Attacking under Static Cage, Casting during attack with Static Charge, and an Electric Staff's Slam (8th basic attack), do too.

 

EB does produce a nasty NM combo, but is single target, so really only good against RTC, Red Knights, Brutes, and the occasional Horror, wasted on everything else (since they'll be killed before your projectiles even hit).

 

 

I am! CL only keepers suck. That's the very face of noob keeper. Oh, and the noob might barrier... their own character, once after the battle ends-- or as they enter the fade.

True you do have to be selective when using barrage. For the sake of having to name everything it works and doesn't work on... Just target the things that can be panicked or slept. It is not meant to be spammed, IMO it is meant to be a 4th skill that is why I like where it is on the skill tree. I would get that skill last if you use it. 

[DrKilledbyDeath]

I am! CL only keepers suck. That's the very face of noob keeper. Oh, and the noob might barrier... their own character, once after the battle ends-- or as they enter the fade.

Were you watching my games last night? I had one match where I didn't realize until wave 5 that we had a keeper since I hadn't even accidentally received a barrier.

[TheMindKiller]

This thread is funny. Ya'all have really passionate views about all the parts of a Keeper that really don't matter. The only thing that matters on a Keeper is if he can Barrier worth a damn. Cause 90% of Keepers can't.

 

I've promoted my Keeper 27 times and tried every possible combo, and in the end the most effective thing a Keeper can do is Barrier. The rest of it is optional based on the preference of the person using it.

 

I once had an Elementalist try to kick me from a group because he said he had Barrier so they didn't need me. But a good Keeper's Barrier is worth a lot more than a good Elementalist's cause an Elementalist has other things to worry about and a Keeper really doesn't. 

 

Static Cage is nice, especially because of its effect on the Demon Commander and Terrors in general. Fade Step is nice for mobility and keeping Barrier on the tank while also keeping it on yourself. But in the end, if you aren't focused on Barrier you aren't really doing what makes the Keeper great.

[Drasca]

This thread is funny. Ya'all have really passionate views about all the parts of a Keeper that really don't matter. The only thing that matters on a Keeper is if he can Barrier  stay alive is worth a damn. Cause 90% of Keepers can't.

 

FTFY. No really, both staying alive & SC are more important than even barrier. Not that I don't do both via MS proc. I tongue-lash keepers that don't bring SC, and boot those not willing to pick it up, as SC is the most powerful skill the Keeper has, and arguably the best skill in the game.

 

AoE DPS, Persistent Incapacitate, part of sleep combo, Support Exp, and sets up burst damage in one spot? Name one skill more OP than that.

[jerky]

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I did notice your keeper favorites have little or no damage specials, but numerous cc abilities. It's a playstyle i definitely have to adapt to...

[JRandall0308]

Chain Lightning briefly staggers enemies. That and its combo potential is what makes it worthwhile. Well that and the fact it only costs 1 additional level-up point to max out. The damage is incidental.

[veramis]

Sry on phone

Shelled, agreed 3 ability keeper can be great. she just has so many good passives and CL is just great mana dump. i soloed to 3/5 peri just facetanking and spamming the 3 main abilities with nothing in the fourth slot. Dont agree with people saying it is bad dps they arent looking at sustained dps CL is quite shprt cooldown and procs cooldown more often.

Themindkiller, agreed, if a keeper barriers right i dont care if they autoatk and eat nachos between barrier casts. Sometimes ive even beelined for gathering storm to be a CL/barrier bot with two slots empty until higher lvl and its pretty good.

[TheMindKiller]

FTFY. No really, both staying alive & SC are more important than even barrier. Not that I don't do both via MS proc. I tongue-lash keepers that don't bring SC, and boot those not willing to pick it up, as SC is the most powerful skill the Keeper has, and arguably the best skill in the game.

While I don't think anyone would argue against Static Cage in a Keeper build, and it's definitely essential to the class, it's an over-exaggeration to say it's better than Barrier. Maybe it's better in those all-private games with the top 3 people on the leaderboards when one of them is carrying the others because they all went out for hot dogs...

 

...but in the random Perilous PUG, there is no greater team spell than Barrier on any class. Barrier can carry a crappy team to victory. And given the choice between casting Barrier or casting SC, I'm going to cast Barrier to keep my team alive. 

[Shelled]

 ?? I can one-shot two enemies in perilous with my CL with a chain-light ring. It's decent damage and ESSENTIAL as a low-cost spam ability for the 1 sec cooldown passive, which helps the CD of barrier/static cage. It's support damage against more than 2 enemies, but its still not bad at all and its essential as a spam ability. Anyone saying otherwise doesn't know how to play this game.

[Teophne]

FTFY. No really, both staying alive & SC are more important than even barrier. Not that I don't do both via MS proc. I tongue-lash keepers that don't bring SC, and boot those not willing to pick it up, as SC is the most powerful skill the Keeper has, and arguably the best skill in the game.

 

AoE DPS, Persistent Incapacitate, part of sleep combo, Support Exp, and sets up burst damage in one spot? Name one skill more OP than that.

 

Lolshot is pretty damn close. I just had a Threatening match with a Reaver, Assassin and Alchemist while playing an Archer myself. 

To my surprise (maybe not yours) I topped the charts rather clearly.

All our levels were +/-1 from each other.

 

While I'm still a newbie in DAMP the others were a somewhat more experienced, including my region's leaderboard #1, who is not only #1 on paper but actually pretty damn effective player.

 

While the Archer is one of the easiest classes it still grew my e-peen by a few inches. Heck, I'm pretty sure the e-part wasn't the only one growing there.

[Shelled]

Energy barrage IS terrible... for you.

Don't use energy barrage if you don't want to panic or produce nightmare combo's or put the RTC to sleep. Chain lightning does none of those things. With the fury of the veil staff things get really interesting. I've outscored and outkilled many on perilous while still maintaining barrier all the time. The 12 shots make it proc actually quite often. I have chain lightning too in my build but it doesn't kill anything IMO. The mana regain passive on weakened enemies will make barrage mana affordable and justify its use. No 4th skill, LOL good one... There are many different ways to play keeper. As long as you are keeping barrier on the one who is grabbing aggro, you've done your job. I'm not saying your 3 powers playstyle is not effective, but you can be effective all sorts of ways with the keeper. To think otherwise limits your options and make the game dull and repetitive. 

Barrage is terrible, fadestep isn't necessary (can be used as a junk-cooldown spell like fade cloak), disruption field isn't necessary (waste of mana). You only need 3 abilities on keeper. CL, static cage and barrier. That's it. Passives for the rest. You take an additional 4th skill of whatever, you don't have enough for all the good passives. 

You can take fade cloak or fade step as a junk ability for cooldown passive I suppose, but that's the only usefulness it provides.

I like to min/max the effectiveness of each class. This is the most effective keeper build. Anything else is just dicking around (which I don't do).  (and lol?) any lightning damage or ability puts the commander to sleep while hes in static cage, my staff (fury of the veil) auto-attack does that alone......   Barrage is pathetically bad. It's a complete waste of time. 

...and people saying CL spam doesn't do decent damage with 99 willpower and a CL ring must be snorting coke. Like I said before, I can one-shot two enemies with mine if it crits.... and with 90 cunning that happens quite often. In cases against more than 2 enemies, that is very nice support-damage. CL inside a static cage with the CL-ring? Chain lightning with 80%+ damage = Insanely good. (with static cage and cl ring).

Either way it is an essential spam-ability for the 1 sec cooldown passive for barrier. Even if you don't have a chain light ring or good willpower prestige points, it should always be used.

[DrascatonisFade3K]

Barrage is terrible, fadestep isn't necessary (can be used as a junk-cooldown spell like fade cloak), disruption field isn't necessary (waste of mana). You only need 3 abilities on keeper. CL, static cage and barrier. That's it. Passives for the rest. You take an additional 4th skill of whatever, you don't have enough for all the good passives.

I like to min/max the effectiveness of each class. This is the most effective keeper build. Anything else is just dicking around (which I don't do).

Really, its right next to gathering storm, what are you taking then? Encircling Veil? Good luck with that buddy lol. I have upgraded barrier with guardian spirit and knight protector. With upgraded static cage, base CL and base EB, stormbringer, mana surge and restorative veil. With that I am doing the same job as you are with barrier and static cage all while killing more, causing panic and sleep. If you call that dicking around then so be it I guess. 

[Shelled]

Really, its right next to gathering storm, what are you taking then? Encircling Veil? Good luck with that buddy lol. I have upgraded barrier with guardian spirit and knight protector. With upgraded static cage, base CL and base EB, stormbringer, mana surge and restorative veil. With that I am doing the same job as you are with barrier and static cage all while killing more, causing panic and sleep. If you call that dicking around then so be it I guess. 

lol you're not killing more, trust me. We can go play a game to test that out if you want.

I'll gladly prove it to you.

[Teophne]

@Shelled: 

 

With 99 Wil and 90 Cun it really doesn't matter what skills you use.

[Shelled]

@Shelled: 

 

With 99 Wil and 90 Cun it really doesn't matter what skills you use.

yes it does, because energy barrage is that bad.

Chain lightning + CL ring + static cage is amazing aoe damage. I would never use crappy energy barrage. It is totally pointless. I'd do the same thing if I only had 10 willpower.

Chain lightning is a crucial ability for spamming lower cooldowns on other abilities because it doesn't cost much mana and has a low cooldown. EB is a complete waste of mana. It is definitely worth upgrading CL though, even if you don't have 99 willpower.

[DrascatonisFade3K]

lol you're not killing more, trust me. We can go play a game to test that out if you want.

I'll gladly prove it to you.

Already did, and yes I already did outscore you lol. 

[DrascatonisFade3K]

Already did, and yes I already did outscore you lol. 

To be fair, it was your permafade reaver...

[Shelled]

Already did, and yes I already did outscore you lol. 

????  um sure you did. Maybe when day-dreaming? 

Pathetic, won't even actually get in a game with me and says hes outscored my keeper lmao wtf? Resorting to lying now?

Permafade reaver? Don't even know what that is and if you think you can outscore my keeper then you must be high as hell if you think you can outscore my reaver lmfao. It's possible you've got me confused with someone else, but my in-game name has always been shelledfade.

Ah i see, Spacemonkey now that I know who you are, you couldn't outscore Nnarola. Don't make false claims and hide behind some bs forum name especially after I directly challenge you to actually prove that you're wrong, with your own bad as hell point about score, and then go making up pure 100% bs, thanks nubby.

Ignored. Waste of time.

[HeroicMass]

The ego is a funny thing

 

[Texasmotiv]

[Jbrizzy84]

The ego is a funny thing

Better call Saul!

[DrascatonisFade3K]

????  um sure you did. Maybe when dreaming? 

Pathetic, won't even actually get in a game with me and says hes outscored my keeper lmao wtf? Get ignored troll. Glad I won't have to see your posts now. 

Permafade reaver? Don't even know what that is and if you think you can outscore my keeper then you must be high as hell if you think you can outscore my reaver lmfao. It's possible you've got me confused with someone else, but my in-game name has always been shelledfade.

Either way, what a troll. Ignored. Waste of my time.

Spacemonkey now that I know who you are, you couldn't outscore Narola let alone me, lmfao. Don't make false claims and hide behind some bs forum name, thanks.

LOL wow, rage much? Easy now kiddo. Not my fault that you are still butthurt that we didn't want to kick the pug who was quite good and nice in order to make room for you. Stay classy man. 

[Shelled]

Lying badly, and now admitting to douchery. Holy hell kid, what a life you lead.

Before you claim to be outscoring me (your point for YOUR bad point/opinion, not mine) maybe you should try outscoring piffles alchemist first.