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[Drasca]

Are we gonna see this 1v1 or what?

 

I demand it be in the form of a sing & dance off.

[DrascatonisFade3K]

I demand it be in the form of a sing & dance off.

I may not have enough willpower and cunning to keep up with him in Damp but I will smoke him in a sing off... hands down

[ALTBOULI]

What the heck am I reading?

[Gya]

What the heck am I reading?

The best thread EVAR.

[Hadred]

You're better off playing AW than wanna-be AW with that build.

Can't Barrier other teammates with an AW

[Teophne]

Harsh.

 

I run Barrier, Chain Lightning, Fade Step, Fade Cloak.  And contribute my fair share on Threatening and Perilous.  I do agree that Static Cage is a great ability, but this is the build I enjoy the most. 

 

Come at me!

 

THE best Keeper build there! I do it different, but your reasoning cannot be topped. 

 

"I enjoy the most."

[N7 Tigger]

What the heck am I reading?

 

 

The best thread EVAR.

 

I know, right? I can't even look away to get a popcorn gif.

[Courtnehh]

Static cage is my favourite move in the game, I'm not a big fan of the keeper though which is a shame. SC is insane with the enhanced ring.

[Drasca]

Can't Barrier other teammates with an AW

 

If you're playing the FS/FC offensively, you won't be doing barrier on the back-line anyway.

 

 

your reasoning cannot be topped. 

 

"I enjoy the most."

 

It can, because its limiting and without substance. I enjoy the most, but without reasons, implies he's not tried cooler and more fun ones, or is narrow in view & imagination about the builds he use. The reasoning, if purely subjective, is pretty useless. A rock can enjoy mud the most, because the rock has nothing but mud, can't imagine anything better, or is emotionally invested in defending mud.

 

I enjoy about half a dozen (or more) keeper builds the most, for many many reasons (mainly ending in because ______ is awesome).

[Teophne]

There are always stuff that's more enjoyable or "better" in life. If you always strive for the better and more without being happy with the current you will never be happy.

 

Like they say, ignorance is bliss. Not knowing any better than current situation is the best one can achieve.

 

Sure there are people who enjoy the process of improving oneself, but who are we to judge whether they are better than the ones who are happy with what they currently have.

 

Thus if you feel THIS is the best for you then it is.

 

Edit: Pretty bold assumption to make btw, that he hasn't tried other builds just because he didn't mention them. Did it occur to you that he might not enjoy writing a novel about it but rather is just explaining the end result of his experiences.

[Senor Pez]

What the hell happened with this thread? EPEEN everywhere. Can't we all get along? You're tearing me apart!

Also Hadred's keeper is awesome.

[jerky]

What the hell happened with this thread? EPEEN everywhere. Can't we all get along? You're tearing me apart!

Also Hadred's keeper is awesome.

I don't think I "get" Hadred's build. Why both step and cloak?

[Senor Pez]

I don't think I "get" Hadred's build. Why both step and cloak?

It keeps me alive, that's what matters. Dead Legos don't tank and dead Archers do 0 FPS. I've played with many Keepers and it's amazing how many don't understand fundamental gameplay.

I'd guess the Step and Cloak combo is to keep the Keeler herself alive. Dead Keepers don't Barrier after all.

[Teophne]

I too like the idea of both, when used properly that is. Both include an escape method as well as something else - Freeze and lotta damage.

Thing is I'm really bad at targeting Step and all too often missing with Cloak as well. 

 

Could maybe practice those. I haven't really played Keeperer all that much.

[jerky]

I just promoted her last night, I'll try that build out. Barrage was... Underwhelming.

[Drasca]

There are always stuff that's more enjoyable or "better" in life. If you always strive for the better and more without being happy with the current you will never be happy.

 

Like they say, ignorance is bliss. Not knowing any better than current situation is the best one can achieve.

 

 

Screw that cave dwellers. I'll enjoy my smartphones and PC DAIMP. Ignorance is ignorance, it is not bliss, and it is at best a transitory phase, and at worst willful ignorance prohibits development and progress.

 

Edit: Pretty bold assumption to make btw, that he hasn't tried other builds just because he didn't mention them.

 

Fortune favors the bold. Had he known or displayed any indication or awareness of other builds, he would've been more broad with his statements. It is possible, but unlikely. Just as it is possible to win the lotto, but unlikely to do so.

 

The keeper, unlike archer, assassin and reaver, has many extremely varied builds and playstyles available. Some of which are effective, some are pretty terrible, and a fair number in-between. FS/FC/Barrier/CL is one of those in-between so-so builds that fails to excel, but isn't completely terrible. I've tried many builds and tested many skills, while interacting with a lot of keepers & players in general. They don't play outside their own yard very often, and those that do (skilled learners) have a radically different perspective than those that don't (the noobs).

[Drasca]

I too like the idea of both, when used properly that is. Both include an escape method as well as something else - Freeze and lotta damage.

Thing is I'm really bad at targeting Step and all too often missing with Cloak as well.

 

Frost step does not freeze, it only chills. If you're bad at those skills you only have two useful options: Learn to be better at those skills, or get another build to work around your limitations.

[akots1]

... FS/FC/Barrier/CL is one of those in-between so-so builds that fails to excel, but isn't completely terrible. ...

It has 3 positive things about it, IMO: easier to solo if carry is needed, not very lag-dependent, and finally, is fully compatible with new camera lock feature in the case of PC as it has no need for AOE targeting and you can just barrier yourself with yourself being in the center of the circle. Also, FS and FC right at the end should drop all aggro.

[Drasca]

 FS and FC right at the end should drop all aggro.

 

Those skills do not drop aggro. They may kill enemies, but cannot drop aggro.

[Kenny Bania]

I challenge anyone with the balls to try and outscore my Keeper. Go on. I dare you.

 

500 BSN BUX are on the line.

 

[Jbrizzy84]

If you're playing the FS/FC offensively, you won't be doing barrier on the back-line anyway.

Not true, if you know how to control fs it's effective. you can fs into mob with fc boom, spam some auto for cd or use clean burn, then fs back and barrier. Fs can be used to ferry between front and backline and chill the mooks inbetween for dps to take them out without having to kite.
I personally like the cl spread over sc, the problem is that keepers use it for an opener when it is meant to be used as a closer on lower hp mobs for kill streaks . The cc and dps of sc is nice but its aoe radius is much smaller , making it easier for walk arounds.
The key here is to match the keeper with your play style. I joke around with people and say keeper is better than aw because she shares the barrier.

[Drasca]

Not true, if you know how to control fs it's effective

 

I've done the exact proposed build hadred mentioned. Without SC, there's no CC bringing enemies to a central point. Without that, you're spreading aggro arround and wasting time. In the time you'd be doing your FS attack pattern, everything I'd SC --> FC would be dead or dying.

 

If you're not killing things within 2-4s of engagement, you're playing wrong. What's this retreating back after FC? They should be dead.

 

If you think the SC radius is small, I don't know what you think is large, or how badly you're misjudging the timing and positioning considering all enemies have very predictable pathing.

 

You're absolutely right one of the crux problems is that noob keepers use CL as an opener when it is a closer (or used for combos). It will also aggro more groups than necessary, which is a bane when there's despair demons around willing to ice mine through walls.

[Shelled]

To be fair, it was your permafade reaver...

You mean this permafade reaver? http://forum.bioware...ix-venatorimix/

Stop your lies, baddy.

Hell... you probably couldn't do perilous with an arcane warrior.

[Teophne]

Frost step does not freeze, it only chills. If you're bad at those skills you only have two useful options: Learn to be better at those skills, or get another build to work around your limitations.

 

Freeze or Chill, my point was that the enemies hit my Frost Step won't hit you for a while.

While I appreciate the generous advice there I know practice makes better. 

Thing is I can play other 11 classes I like more, or rather other 8 as mages aren't really that fun to me. 

Then again if someone liked them they have to be good and I should learn to like them because apparently my personal enjoyment isn't an important factor in an MMO game.

[Jbrizzy84]

I've done the exact proposed build hadred mentioned. Without SC, there's no CC bringing enemies to a central point. Without that, you're spreading aggro arround and wasting time. In the time you'd be doing your FS attack pattern, everything I'd SC --> FC would be dead or dying.

If you're not killing things within 2-4s of engagement, you're playing wrong. What's this retreating back after FC? They should be dead.

If you think the SC radius is small, I don't know what you think is large, or how badly you're misjudging the timing and positioning considering all enemies have very predictable pathing.

I agree about spreading the aggro, but like you said, a good keeper won't initiate cl. You shouldn't have to worry about the aggro because the attention will be on someone else. While it is easier and neater to centralize the aggro, SC has a longer cd than cl , which is more spammable. You also have the animation time like with planting a firestorm and misplacement or stairs can ruin your plans. So cl is more forgiving for newer people. I find myself using cl to eat into adds while I'm fcd into a horror or despair.

Large radius is 6 inches or bigger
I would prefer if it pulled the whole room like cl lol

When pugging, fs is undeniably useful for evading especially if you're pugging wave 5 . You're talking about it in a tight knit group where everything goes well and things go your way. I'm talking about when everyone decides to go separate ways (like the Archer that thinks they can long shot to win) only to start bleeding out and you have to zip to res them because them dying makes life harder for you.

Or if you just used your fc while rezing someone cuz your barrier wore out from damage and it's still on cd because no one wanted to stick together and now the dc is about to pop up. Fs

2-4 seconds!! That's slow man!! You need more promotions!! Kill speed to 1s nao! Jk